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[dervishx5]

El Bandito, on 18 August 2016 - 04:48 AM, said:

And now you are compounding your folly by thinking that factions actually mean anything in the solo-q. Makes you unworthy to converse any further.

You're making a lot of assumptions. I was pointing out indirectly that I think you're a scrub if you don't play in a comp team.

[El Bandito]

dervishx5, on 18 August 2016 - 04:49 AM, said:

You're making a lot of assumptions. I was pointing out indirectly that I think you're a scrub if you don't play in a comp team.

Which I will gladly prove wrong in 1v1 matches against you, or anyone else. The challenger should buy me the PT though, as I am currently keeping my wallet shut for PGI. As I said, I am better than most MWO players, and I am not afraid to prove it.

Now then, the ball is in your court. Care to pick it up?

Edited by El Bandito, 18 August 2016 - 04:54 AM.

[dervishx5]

El Bandito, on 18 August 2016 - 04:52 AM, said:

Which I will gladly prove wrong in 1v1 matches against you, or anyone else. The challenger should buy me the PT though, as I am currently keeping my wallet shut for PGI.

Now then, the ball is in your court. Care to pick it up?

[SneekiBreeki]

Getting back to the main topic i have to agree that even tough the smoke and other effects might hamper your performance a good rig will indeed make the difference.

On a side note, i went to playing at sub 20 fps on a old core2duo rig to playing at 100+ on this one.

[Sylonce]

I used to play the game on medium to low, on a small laptop that can barely chug out 25 FPS. I lost hard. When I finally moved to a gaming desktop, with a wider screen, and a brick of a video card, the difference was huge.

MWO is a game that requires twitch reaction time, a steady hand, and the ability to see. It can be difficult to aim if the game is even slightly choppy, or if the image is unrefined, or causing eye strain.

I can kind of see the arguments behind turning the graphics down, for it removes some effects that could make things easier to see. For me, personally, I find the difference immaterial, and I am much more comfortable with max graphics than having to deal with lower textures or whatnot.

[mogs01gt]

Chados, on 18 August 2016 - 03:28 AM, said:

It really is.
I see a lot of cheating allegations. And it's irritating that on Frozen City I seem to get sniped from 1600m away with Clan ER Large Lasers when I'm under ECM in a small-sized 45 ton mech and theoretically should be hard to see.
It's tempting to go "aimbot! Wallhack!" And I've seen one or two times over the last year in game where that probably was the case. But the reality is that high-end players almost universally are running high end gear.
Because that is what really makes the difference.
I started playing on a real potato computer, at the low end of the permitted range. I could barely LRM. When some nice guys from the 9th Sword of the Dragon helpfully took me under their wings (thanks, Mighty Wings) and tested me for a guild invite while giving me some basic pointers, I could barely keep up.
We upgraded my laptop to midrange specs. I played with it for a year, enough to get to the T3/T4 border. Then my husband decided that he wanted my laptop for one of his projects and upgraded me to a secondhand gaming laptop. It has a 17" UHD display, NVIDIA GTX 970M GPU with 3Gb RAM, and 8 Gb DDR RAM.
And wow...the difference. Last night I went from medium settings and about 30 fps at 1280x1024 to 60 FPS at 1600x900, with high settings across the board. I never saw LRM smoke trails before. You can see camo schemes on mechs from distances now. I see details I never saw before. It's...impressive. The game is awful pretty at high settings and with the resolution you can see the enemy farther without a lock or Doritos.When you're getting sniped from unreal distances it might be that the other player's working with a super high end system and can see things you can't. A huge monitor at über-high resolution makes a difference.

pretty colors mean nothing to comp players. They want the FPS.

[dario03]

mogs01gt, on 18 August 2016 - 05:41 AM, said:

pretty colors mean nothing to comp players. They want the FPS.

For me the big thing is steady fps. Even if the game was set up to not make higher graphics obscure your vision more I would still run lower settings because I hate fps drops (though not so low that I see through walls). And while I still get some fps drop (despite having more than the recommended requirements) its not as bad as when running higher settings.

Edited by dario03, 18 August 2016 - 05:55 AM.

[Lostdragon]

Davegt27, on 18 August 2016 - 04:10 AM, said:

something I been wondering about since I started
this is my first online game
back around 2007 time frame I had a Machine shop instructor that was a big time gamer

he was always talking about high end machines with overclocking and liquid cooling
seemed kind of crazy

I think he played rainbow six
he got all excited when T1 became available
anyway still wondering about a lot of stuff

Overclocking can really boost your performance, especially CPU overclockong in a CPU bound game like MWO. There are tons of websites, forums, and guides dedicated to overclocking. You can easily overclock a $300 processor and make it perform like a $800 one in many cases. You can also overclock your memory and video cards for a good boost. There are now a lot of Windows based utilities that don't reauire you to fiddle with the bios settings to OC these components. The big thing to keep in mind is your mileage may vary, not all silicon is created equal.

Heat is often the biggest limiter of overclocking. Liquid cooling is one of the most efficient ways to cool your components and works basically the same way as in your average car. A waterblock sits on top of the component being cooled and a pump forces water through it. The water is heated by the component then goes into a radiator where it is cooled down, and typically the radiator has one or more fans just like a car engine.

Liquid cooling has also become a lot more accessible in recent years with the rise of no maintenance closed loop systems. They are easy to install and unlike open loop systems you never need to change the fluids and there is very little risk of a leak. The closed loop systems are often not quite as efficient as high end open loops or even some massive air coolers but they can open up a lot of overclocking potential and help you get a lot of performance from a component for $100 or less.

Edited by Lostdragon, 18 August 2016 - 06:11 AM.

[OnkleFester]

Chados, on 18 August 2016 - 03:28 AM, said:

When some nice guys from the 9th Sword of the Dragon helpfully took me under their wings (thanks, Mighty Wings) and tested me for a guild invite while giving me some basic pointers, I could barely keep up.

Has the 9th Sword been active lately? I used to drop with them regularly a while back, and I'm just now coming back from a hiatus. I've dropped in their TS a couple of times, but didn't see anyone playing.

[RussianWolf]

What they say

"I play on low setting because I want the edge"

What I read

"I play on low setting because I need easy mode"

[El Bandito]

RussianWolf, on 18 August 2016 - 06:19 AM, said:

What they say

"I play on low setting because I want the edge"

What I read

"I play on low setting because I need easy mode"

If just by turning down the graphics, one can become great at this game, then everyone would be doing it. Fact is, the overall lowering of graphics effect on the average score is minimal (scrubs will still be scrubs), but there is a difference.

[Ex Atlas Overlord]

Chados, on 18 August 2016 - 03:28 AM, said:

I run at very high everything.

Sometimes a hack is just a hack.

RussianWolf, on 18 August 2016 - 06:19 AM, said:

What they say

"I play on low setting because I want the edge"

What I read

"I play on low setting because I need easy mode"

Oh boy, so much this

But hey, some people have so little in their lives that ruining the experience for themselves, and robbing themselves of the real challenge all for that minute insignificant thrill that they can't even be sure they could have earned purely on their skill alone.... is all they have to wake up for.

So, let's not bash them too hard.

Edited by Ex Atlas Overlord, 18 August 2016 - 08:46 AM.

[dervishx5]

Here's a mindset some of you need to understand:

There are people that will push the limitations of an established set of rules to the utmost to squeeze every possible percentage of win out of something. They will bend the rules juuuuuuuuuust to the breaking point because to them it's being the most efficient they can be within a set of boundaries.

Then there are people who live within that set of boundaries for the moment. To them enjoyment is in the experience. They set out to accomplish a goal but aren't willing to sacrifice/streamline the journey to get there.

Often times, these two groups of people are not going to agree on anything. The later group often establishes the boundaries, and the former pushes them to their limits. The later resents the former because they take things too seriously or don't fall in line, and the former resents the later because they see the later as holding them back.

It's possible to switch between the two mindsets. It's impossible to set aside an environment where the two groups wont interfere with each other.

So keep being judgemental if you want, it's a waste of time.

[Johnny Z]

[Redacted]

Edited by draiocht, 18 August 2016 - 03:19 PM.
discussing cheating

[Chados]

Well, I certainly don't claim to be anyone's roadmap to the game.

When it comes to skill level, I'm an average pugger. Just another scrublady. But I know that what I saw and experienced last night felt like a different game. Your mileage may vary.

I'm not playing for bragging rights. I'm playing because it's the Mechwarrior we have and it may not be what a lot of people might want, but it's still a fun game. And it's more fun with bigger 'splosions, brighter colors, blacker smoke, more ambiance, and better frame rates. If that gets me farmed back into T4 by tryhards who can't play without macros and system tweaks I'm cool with that. I've played combat flight simulations for years against Mary Sue, the all-perfect AI that has deadeye aim in all weather conditions, ECM burn through that defies common sense, and a better physics model than mere humans get in game and this is just more of the same. And the lower tiers don't have that kind of gameplay anyway. I've been known to run trash-tier mechs purposely to add to the challenge, which combined with a few bad matchmaker runs has the welcome effect of forcing my PSR down a little when it gets too high and as a result I have fluctuated between T3 and T4 for some time now. Which is where I want to be.

[Johnny Z]

Chados, on 18 August 2016 - 08:54 AM, said:

Well, I certainly don't claim to be anyone's roadmap to the game.

When it comes to skill level, I'm an average pugger. Just another scrublady. But I know that what I saw and experienced last night felt like a different game. Your mileage may vary.

I'm not playing for bragging rights. I'm playing because it's the Mechwarrior we have and it may not be what a lot of people might want, but it's still a fun game. And it's more fun with bigger 'splosions, brighter colors, blacker smoke, more ambiance, and better frame rates. If that gets me farmed back into T4 by tryhards who can't play without macros and system tweaks I'm cool with that. I've played combat flight simulations for years against Mary Sue, the all-perfect AI that has deadeye aim in all weather conditions, ECM burn through that defies common sense, and a better physics model than mere humans get in game and this is just more of the same. And the lower tiers don't have that kind of gameplay anyway. I've been known to run trash-tier mechs purposely to add to the challenge, which combined with a few bad matchmaker runs has the welcome effect of forcing my PSR down a little when it gets too high and as a result I have fluctuated between T3 and T4 for some time now. Which is where I want to be.

[Redacted]
Anyway good luck playing legit, its worth it.
[Redacted]

Edited by draiocht, 18 August 2016 - 03:23 PM.
discussing cheating

[RussianWolf]

The "world Championships" could be interesting if PGI doesn't allow them to adjust the settings.

[Johnny Z]

RussianWolf, on 18 August 2016 - 09:09 AM, said:

The "world Championships" could be interesting if PGI doesn't allow them to adjust the settings.

Agreed. It will be really telling watching that and seeing the game play.

I should add that while I know quite a bit of detail of another next gen game counter cheats I know next to nothing about this game and how it does it.

I am guessing that MechWarrior online counter cheat is very good though.

In all honesty I don't expect epic gameplay at the championship though. I fully expect a bunch of talentless goons trying to all make each other look good.

Edited by Johnny Z, 18 August 2016 - 09:16 AM.

[Mister Blastman]

Oderint dum Metuant, on 18 August 2016 - 03:59 AM, said:

Being able to see the person shooting at your with CERL is pretty important to playing the game tbh.

Gauss is even worse.

And MWO goes out of its way to make 'mechs blend in with the terrain color, regardless of camo color or type, so they're damned impossible to see on over half the maps without being in thermal or night vision all the time.

dervishx5, on 18 August 2016 - 04:12 AM, said:

So it's super embarrassing when you lose to those of us who don't have to go for that edge.

Some of us have visual processing problems which necessitate reduced detail and tweaks.

[dervishx5]

Mister Blastman, on 18 August 2016 - 09:20 AM, said:

Some of us have visual processing problems which necessitate reduced detail and tweaks.

Some of us have visual processing problems which cause us to lapse into unconsciousness and violently contract our muscles.

But we aren't directing our snark at you; rather at the squeeze the blood from the turnip crowd.