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[Mister Blastman]

dervishx5, on 18 August 2016 - 09:26 AM, said:

Some of us have visual processing problems which cause us to lapse into unconsciousness and violently contract our muscles.

But we aren't directing our snark at you; rather at the squeeze the blood from the turnip crowd.

Hmm... contextually speaking your reply is confusing.

Who is we? Is "we" referring to handicapped people (whom you seemed to make fun of), or is it referring to "dervishx5" people? And likewise, the squeeze the blood from the turnip crowd and in which way as that could mean two different things entirely--because turnips can bleed if you pick them from a fresh grave...

A little too much cliche there. Some clarity would be appreciated.

[draiocht]

On a point that's specifically relevant to the original post: Having a good well-calibrated high-resolution monitor that can display subtle differences of grey may be something especially useful for long range visual spotting. (Having the eyes for it is also a necessity, but that's a different matter altogether...)

Also, I think it's worthwhile to note that low settings doesn't unequivocally equate to competitive settings. At low settings, while a player may gain some useful glitchy visuals, they also lose other important info. Low details in the environment and objects sometimes allow enemies to be sighted behind objects, but other times obscure those enemies behind poorly rendered buildings and hills that may otherwise have visible openings; moreover, environmental hitboxes don't change with the graphics. Smoke might obscure one's view, but it can also be used to better spot damaged mechs and track movement. Removing shadows (if fps isn't a factor) might simplify the graphics, but it also removes using them to spot enemies around corners. Depth of field, I imagine might help some players judge distances in some circumstances... but wow, that blur really annoys my eyes; I turn that one off.

It's definitely worthwhile to experiment with the settings to find what's best for one's own competitive and/or aesthetic enjoyment.

[Mole]

[Redacted] enemy using the hack [Redacted] Anyway, I took great pleasure in picking him apart and then reported him when the match concluded. [Redacted]

Edited by draiocht, 18 August 2016 - 02:46 PM.
discussing cheating

[Myantra]

Chados, on 18 August 2016 - 08:54 AM, said:

I'm not playing for bragging rights. I'm playing because it's the Mechwarrior we have and it may not be what a lot of people might want, but it's still a fun game. And it's more fun with bigger 'splosions, brighter colors, blacker smoke, more ambiance, and better frame rates. If that gets me farmed back into T4 by tryhards who can't play without macros and system tweaks I'm cool with that. I've played combat flight simulations for years against Mary Sue, the all-perfect AI that has deadeye aim in all weather conditions, ECM burn through that defies common sense, and a better physics model than mere humans get in game and this is just more of the same. And the lower tiers don't have that kind of gameplay anyway. I've been known to run trash-tier mechs purposely to add to the challenge, which combined with a few bad matchmaker runs has the welcome effect of forcing my PSR down a little when it gets too high and as a result I have fluctuated between T3 and T4 for some time now. Which is where I want to be.

I play in 1080p on a 50" 4K TV, very high settings, and usually well over 100 FPS. It is a rather gorgeous game on all maps, and I will be keeping it that way. If that means I always lose to people that intentionally run it in ugly mode (regardless of how good I ever get), I can live with that. I will not knock people that intentionally lower graphic settings for whatever reason either. It is all about fun, and people often have different metrics for fun.

[Oderint dum Metuant]

Mister Blastman, on 18 August 2016 - 09:20 AM, said:

Gauss is even worse.

And MWO goes out of its way to make 'mechs blend in with the terrain color, regardless of camo color or type, so they're damned impossible to see on over half the maps without being in thermal or night vision all the time.



Some of us have visual processing problems which necessitate reduced detail and tweaks.

At this point i will steal Gmans pictures.



http://imgur.com/a/crQCG#0

Edited by Oderint dum Metuant, 18 August 2016 - 10:08 AM.

[dervishx5]

Mister Blastman, on 18 August 2016 - 09:39 AM, said:

Hmm... contextually speaking your reply is confusing.

Who is we? Is "we" referring to handicapped people (whom you seemed to make fun of), or is it referring to "dervishx5" people? And likewise, the squeeze the blood from the turnip crowd and in which way as that could mean two different things entirely--because turnips can bleed if you pick them from a fresh grave...

A little too much cliche there. Some clarity would be appreciated.

Clarity: don't turn this into a thing about your disability. You're not the only one who has one.

[SamsungNinja]

Myantra, on 18 August 2016 - 10:00 AM, said:

I play in 1080p on a 50" 4K TV, very high settings, and usually well over 100 FPS. It is a rather gorgeous game on all maps, and I will be keeping it that way. If that means I always lose to people that intentionally run it in ugly mode (regardless of how good I ever get), I can live with that. I will not knock people that intentionally lower graphic settings for whatever reason either. It is all about fun, and people often have different metrics for fun.

No 4K for me (not worth it to me at this point in tech), but I do play on max settings--with 4xMSAA/4xSGSSAA hardware AA, because @#$% jaggies.

However, the above post nailed it, and this is why I've started voting only for Terra Therma. I just store up the multiplier until I get the map. Why? Because that map is stunning, in terms of visuals. And the noise over it playing bad is overblown. It's a fine map that's best played on Conquest. I suspect the hate towards it is more over the fact that the map punishes people for their overly hot max alpha builds.

But I digress, the game has come a long way, graphically, in the last two years. Just think back to Forest Colony Snow (which I wish they'd add back into rotation) and its cardboard trees--all 20 of them.

Edited by SamsungNinja, 18 August 2016 - 10:15 AM.

[draiocht]

Mole, on 18 August 2016 - 09:48 AM, said:

Anyway, I took great pleasure in picking him apart and then reported him when the match concluded.

Though, it's still entirely possible that he simply had exceptional aim. The important part is that you reported him for review. If anybody else finds themselves incredulous in a similar situation, an in-game report or an email to moderation@mwomercs.com will handle it.

Remember, everybody: This should be a hardware thread (and tangents thereof). Please stay on topic....

Edited by draiocht, 18 August 2016 - 11:14 AM.

[Mister Blastman]

dervishx5, on 18 August 2016 - 10:10 AM, said:

Clarity: don't turn this into a thing about your disability. You're not the only one who has one.

I'll turn it into whatever I damn well please.

Some of us lack the visual acuity on highest detail to discern targets due to poor rendering choices by the developers. That, coupled with slow visual processing time or blurring of objects in motion (from our own minds) makes it even harder--and we aren't cheating by turning the detail down. The option is in the game for everyone to use.

The game, however, shouldn't necessitate such measures to be playable--and likewise, should put all players on an equal footing, regardless of setting. Those that have no issues should not be able to reap an edge by turning the settings down--and as the game is currently, this is not the case, as they can.

[dervishx5]

Mister Blastman, on 18 August 2016 - 10:22 AM, said:

I'll turn it into whatever I damn well please.

Some of us lack the visual acuity on highest detail to discern targets due to poor rendering choices by the developers. That, coupled with slow visual processing time or blurring of objects in motion (from our own minds) makes it even harder--and we aren't cheating by turning the detail down. The option is in the game for everyone to use.

The game, however, shouldn't necessitate such measures to be playable--and likewise, should put all players on an equal footing, regardless of setting. Those that have no issues should not be able to reap an edge by turning the settings down--and as the game is currently, this is not the case, as they can.

Well then maybe that's what you should have said initially rather than taking the point I was making to Bandito for a joyride.

Except even then it still has very little to do with what I said to him.

Edited by dervishx5, 18 August 2016 - 10:26 AM.

[Jman5]

Anyone who can't maintain at least 30 FPS at 1080p is really going to be at a disadvantage. I have seen it so many times. Guys who played on a potato doing at best mediocre, but insisting that fighting at 20 FPS was fine. Then one day they upgrade their system and it's like night and day for them.

You do not need the latest and greatest hardware to compete, but there is a minimum level that makes a big difference.

[Mister Blastman]

dervishx5, on 18 August 2016 - 10:25 AM, said:

Well then maybe that's what you should have said initially rather than taking the point I was making to Bandito for a joyride.

Except even then it still has very little to do with what I said to him.

I'm not the one who insulted handicapped people...

[Johnny Z]

El Bandito, on 18 August 2016 - 07:02 AM, said:

If just by turning down the graphics, one can become great at this game, then everyone would be doing it. Fact is, the overall lowering of graphics effect on the average score is minimal (scrubs will still be scrubs), but there is a difference.

Not everyone would do that. I wouldn't for example. [Redacted] On the bright side I like a challenge and play challenging mechs with graphics on.

Edited by draiocht, 18 August 2016 - 03:29 PM.
discussing cheating

[dervishx5]

Mister Blastman, on 18 August 2016 - 10:37 AM, said:

I'm not the one who insulted handicapped people...

I'm allowed to since I'm one of them.

Anyway we're supposed to stop. We've been told to. You can bring it to PM if you want to make this a thing.

Edited by dervishx5, 18 August 2016 - 10:40 AM.

[DeRazer]

I'm lucky enough to have a set up that can play this at 4K on a 40" monitor, but there are times/maps where the "FX" are just plain irritating.

I'd be interested if anyone knows what the best gfx elements are to "turn down" and to what level? Has anyone ever done a side-by-side comparison so people could SEE what disadvantage they play under with a high spec setup?

[Johnny Z]

DeRazer, on 18 August 2016 - 10:40 AM, said:

I'm lucky enough to have a set up that can play this at 4K on a 40" monitor, but there are times/maps where the "FX" are just plain irritating.

I'd be interested if anyone knows what the best gfx elements are to "turn down" and to what level? Has anyone ever done a side-by-side comparison so people could SEE what disadvantage they play under with a high spec setup?

I think there is little to no advantages to playing the game at any graphics setting. They have tried to make it a fair playing field.

[Redacted]

Edited by draiocht, 18 August 2016 - 03:30 PM.

[DAYLEET]

The only setting that can make a difference when higher is shadow. Some map at specific places will show you the shadow of enemy mech waiting for you to come out. Everything else potentially make the game harder to play.

As was already mentioned, the fps increase is probably what helps Cha, not the eye candy. I personally prefer eyecandy over a slight edge, except blur, blur isnt eyecandy its "we wanted to add something but couldnt find anything useful" so post processing will remain low.

[Tarogato]

I would say that having a weak rig isn't even a valid excuse. I get 20-35 fps on a laptop at all low settings and the lowest possible resolution, yet Tier 1 still feels like potato land to me. I know Jujushinobi used to play on an old macbook and he was still a match for some of the best players in the game. Also, I just got creamed the other day in MWA 1v1s by a guy whose graphics card just died and he was playing ~20 fps on integrated graphics.

[Myantra]

SamsungNinja, on 18 August 2016 - 10:13 AM, said:

No 4K for me (not worth it to me at this point in tech), but I do play on max settings--with 4xMSAA/4xSGSSAA hardware AA, because @#$% jaggies.

However, the above post nailed it, and this is why I've started voting only for Terra Therma. I just store up the multiplier until I get the map. Why? Because that map is stunning, in terms of visuals. And the noise over it playing bad is overblown. It's a fine map that's best played on Conquest. I suspect the hate towards it is more over the fact that the map punishes people for their overly hot max alpha builds.

But I digress, the game has come a long way, graphically, in the last two years. Just think back to Forest Colony Snow (which I wish they'd add back into rotation) and its cardboard trees--all 20 of them.

I have the hardware to run it at 4K, but everything I have heard about the mechlab UI at that resolution keeps me at 1080p. That said, it might not be so bad in 4K on a 50" TV, so I will try it this weekend.

Terra Therma and Caustic Valley are both pretty stunning to me with maxed settings, but I like them all. I would definitely like to see more atmospheric and weather effects though.

[jss78]

Having recently migrated from a laptop to desktop, I agree consistent 30+ FPS makes a huge difference. And that includes especially during intensive combat when it really makes a difference, which means needing 50+ in most situations. So does having to play at below 1080p which really hurts hitting things without advanced zoom.

I always play stuff like Particles at high though, because they make a huge difference in immersion. I don't get why someone would play this game if immersion makes no difference to you -- why not go for a generic, established e-spurts game which there's no shortage of?

Edited by jss78, 18 August 2016 - 10:56 AM.