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[Blue Pheonix]

Hi MWO community,

A few questions for you guys regarding Aim bots - cheating.

How common do you think it is for players in the MWO community to run "aim bots"?
Do you think PGI has anything in place to spot this?
Has there been any history to prove that they do something about it?

We all play thins game for fun. No one likes to be owned. No one likes to be one shotted. No one likes to have unbalanced, not even close matches. If you play long enough, these things will naturally happen from time to time. However, sometimes it is not natural. Sometimes its pretty evident something sketchy is going on.

With these things said, Ive been running my locust and I have been seeing some pretty shady things. Especially during this event.

I know in a light you can not stop moving. Many of my deaths were I am insta killed in my very small locust has been done by either a guass rifle, AC weapon, or PPCs. These happen while I was moving (not directly towards or away from opposing mech but sideways - straffing) and constantly changing direction by moving forward and backward perpendicular to the enemy constantly at a respectable range (no face tanking here). This range is anywhere from 150 meters to 500 meters. The average distance is probably about 300 meters were I am insta killed. Also, my ping is usually respectable so one can not claim lag.

I have also noticed some players have 100% of their multiple shots hit my CT, particular leg or an already weakened body part at reasonable range with a guass rifle, PPC or an AC weapon.

In one particular instance. I was 300+ meters away from an enemy and I was straffing right and left turning, torso twisting, going in a circle like I usually do. Basically, being a very hard target to hit on purpose. I had one mech singled out and he had me singled out as well. No one else was near the vicinity from what I recall. I was being hit with 100% hit rate with I believe was and AC 5. It took about 5 shots to bring me down. This was about a week ago.

This is only one scenario. As I said earlier, I have noticed this more recently and it seems more prevelant now.

I have noticed a few players in particular but out of respect I wont call them out by name.

What do you think, exceptionally good, computer like aim or assistance from an aim bot?
Is it that easy to hit a moving/changing direction locust with PPC, AC and Guass at 150 to 500 meters?

Edited by Blue Pheonix, 21 August 2016 - 10:02 PM.

[Dee Eight]

God yes, especially during events, and while you can email moderation with screen caps / video attachements, all you'll get is a form letter response. I just had a dire wolf hitting my head box MUCH to easily from a kilometer away. Fortunately at that distance his AC-5 was only doing a couple pts of damage per hit. Someone else on his team got the eventual kill with a CT coring.

[MOBAjobg]

I would attempt to kill the lolcust when it's within 150 meters otherwise no point to even try.

[Blue Pheonix]

Dee Eight, on 21 August 2016 - 09:24 PM, said:

God yes, especially during events, and while you can email moderation with screen caps / video attachements, all you'll get is a form letter response. I just had a dire wolf hitting my head box MUCH to easily from a kilometer away. Fortunately at that distance his AC-5 was only doing a couple pts of damage per hit. Someone else on his team got the eventual kill with a CT coring.

Dee Eight, on 21 August 2016 - 09:24 PM, said:

God yes, especially during events, and while you can email moderation with screen caps / video attachements, all you'll get is a form letter response. I just had a dire wolf hitting my head box MUCH to easily from a kilometer away. Fortunately at that distance his AC-5 was only doing a couple pts of damage per hit. Someone else on his team got the eventual kill with a CT coring.

Ive noticed stuff like this too.

Its pretty rare but it seems to happen more often then one would think.

A few lucky shots sure, but constantly hitting a particular body part with an instant/not continuous weapon such as AC, PPC and Guass, on a really small mech at a reasonably far distance (150m +) while the mech is constantly changing direction. Hmmm, head scratcher.

Edited by Blue Pheonix, 21 August 2016 - 09:58 PM.

[Bohxim]

I dunno man. I've lost count on the number of times I've tried to gauss a side torso off and it registered headshot. But unless my twin gauss doesn't kill in that headshot it's wasted dmg to me as I'm probably unable to get another one on that mech. I think it's just the lag

[kesmai]

No.
Lag hacking is the newest thing.
Aimbotting is so yesterday.
Cool guys use lag hacks ( whatever that is ).




Disclaimer:
This is not a serious statement.

Edited by kesmai, 21 August 2016 - 10:05 PM.

[Blue Pheonix]

kesmai, on 21 August 2016 - 09:56 PM, said:

No.
Lag hacking is the newest thing.
Aimbotting is so yesterday.
Cool guys use lag hacks ( whatever that is ).

Whats lag hacking?

[ComradeHavoc]

Blue Pheonix, on 21 August 2016 - 09:58 PM, said:

Whats lag hacking?

Playing from Australia on an NA server using the locust.

[Squirg]

When will people learn that anecdotal circumstances like this are kind of moot unless you have some video to present of the "suspicious activity"?

It's rather common knowledge that hacking/botting can occur in nearly any game you play online, including MWO. If you think it's happening to you, you better start recording some video.

[DAYLEET]

kesmai, on 21 August 2016 - 09:56 PM, said:

No.
Lag hacking is the newest thing.
Aimbotting is so yesterday.
Cool guys use lag hacks ( whatever that is ).

lag hacking is not new, it was most prevalent in mmos back in the days though.

Laghack is when someone manipulate his connection/ping so that you cant get a good shot on him. someone with a low ping but rubberbanding everywhere is a good sign. people with a hitbox way ib front of them is another.

[Blue Pheonix]

Squirg, on 21 August 2016 - 10:03 PM, said:

When will people learn that anecdotal circumstances like this are kind of moot unless you have some video to present of the "suspicious activity"?

It's rather common knowledge that hacking/botting can occur in nearly any game you play online, including MWO. If you think it's happening to you, you better start recording some video.

I could start doing that. Is there an app for that or do I have to get some hardware for it?

[SamsungNinja]

I get suspicious when I take multiple hits at range, while torso twisting, that all land in the same component (Left Torso seems the most common in these cases). I really raise an eyebrow when i'm leading with my right shoulder. I try and do my due diligence and rule out hacking first, but if I can't honestly find a logical explanation? I'll usually report them, then.

I'm more concerned with goofy stuff like that than the random kilometer-out headshot.

Aimbots that lock onto heads are too easily spotted in MWO, I think most hackers use their stuff to lock onto less noticeable stuff (like a torso).

[Spheroid]

Founder here. I have been dropping every day for four years. If it was prevalent I would have seen it.

People suck and won't admit to losing. End of discussion.

[kesmai]

DAYLEET, on 21 August 2016 - 10:05 PM, said:

lag hacking is not new, it was most prevalent in mmos back in the days though.

Laghack is when someone manipulate his connection/ping so that you cant get a good shot on him. someone with a low ping but rubberbanding everywhere is a good sign. people with a hitbox way ib front of them is another.

I've only posted because I was accused of lag hacking, using a hgn-2c yesterday and I just wtf'ed.
After asking a couple of players there was a lot of lagging around 2.00 mest on sunday morning.

[Blue Pheonix]

SamsungNinja, on 21 August 2016 - 10:08 PM, said:

I get suspicious when I take multiple hits at range, while torso twisting, that all land in the same component (Left Torso seems the most common in these cases). I really raise an eyebrow when i'm leading with my right shoulder. I try and do my due diligence and rule out hacking first, but if I can't honestly find a logical explanation? I'll usually report them, then.

I'm more concerned with goofy stuff like that than the random kilometer-out headshot.

Aimbots that lock onto heads are too easily spotted in MWO, I think most hackers use their stuff to lock onto less noticeable stuff (like a torso).

I too dont think people would be stupid enough to just do headshots. If they are smart enough to find, download, install and use the multiple aim bot programs out there, they are smart enough not to be this obvious. That would stand out too much and be too obvious.

I think, like you said, they focus on a torso.

Spheroid, on 21 August 2016 - 10:12 PM, said:

Founder here. I have been dropping every day for four years. If it was prevalent I would have seen it.

People suck and won't admit to losing. End of discussion.

No one said it was prevalent. A strong argument though can be made that it is present. How much so, is debatable.

Losing, is not the problem here, its people using methods that make the circumstances and outcomes rather suspicious.

[Lukoi Banacek]

Hacking has always been and always will be present.

Your entire OP implies heightened prevalence, so don't pretend that wasn't the intent from the get go however.

Spheroid is simply calling you out on it.

As others have said, video it, report the matches etc. Coming to the forums to start a rumor-mill won't fix any problem your anecdotal experience maybe causing you to perceive, so why not use the channels available to you?

[SamsungNinja]

Lukoi Banacek, on 21 August 2016 - 10:19 PM, said:

Hacking has always been and always will be present.

Your entire OP implies heightened prevalence, so don't pretend that wasn't the intent from the get go however.

Spheroid is simply calling you out on it.

As others have said, video it, report the matches etc. Coming to the forums to start a rumor-mill won't fix any problem your anecdotal experience maybe causing you to perceive, so why not use the channels available to you?

Just going to point out the logical flaw here. A mention does not equal an endorsement. Particularly so in the context of a question. If I ask you if you have some ibuprofen, I don't necessarily assume that you have it. But, if I have a headache, it's probably worth asking--just in case you do.

Other than that, I have no problem with your post. ^^

Edited by SamsungNinja, 21 August 2016 - 10:28 PM.

[Blue Pheonix]

Lukoi Banacek, on 21 August 2016 - 10:19 PM, said:

Hacking has always been and always will be present.

Your entire OP implies heightened prevalence, so don't pretend that wasn't the intent from the get go however.

Spheroid is simply calling you out on it.

As others have said, video it, report the matches etc. Coming to the forums to start a rumor-mill won't fix any problem your anecdotal experience maybe causing you to perceive, so why not use the channels available to you?

Heighten prevalence does not mean prevalent. A 1% to 2% increase would be a heighten prevalence, just not prevalent overall. So... pretending... yeah... thats what I was doing Lukoi.... smh. Besides, who even brought up this was prevelant? I didnt in my OP. I was however pointing out that there was some pretty shady looking circumstances on more then one occasion.

So hes calling me out on something based on his opinion...? Got it.. His opinion (and my opinion for that matter) that cheating isnt really happening or that it is based on our observations make it fact???.... got it. Thanks Lukoi for the wonderful insight. Good to know..... again... smh.

This wasnt to start a "rumor mill". Lol. It seems you are rather defensive and assumptive tonight based on your replies. Again, shaking my head.

I do agree with you though that I need to start getting videos of it at this point. At this point, there is no proof of anything. Its just pure observation.

Edited by Blue Pheonix, 21 August 2016 - 10:38 PM.

[YourSaviorLegion]

It's not difficult to take out a light with a pinpoint weapon, it's called leading...

[Lukoi Banacek]

There's nothing defensive about my post.

Simply pointing out that your incredible volume of games obviously merits statistical analysis to see if there's an increase in cheating going on, as you mention.

Or you could again, USE the tools given to you to post your suspicions to MWO's support channel. Or you could keep looking for boogeymen and posting about it here.

edit: you should probably stretch before you do all of that head shaking.

Edited by Lukoi Banacek, 21 August 2016 - 10:44 PM.