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#41 Mudhutwarrior

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Posted 22 August 2016 - 03:47 AM

View PostFlitzomat, on 22 August 2016 - 03:41 AM, said:

Running synchchannels is something I have never seen. Dropping with and against teammates occasionally is unavoidable and it´s always number 1 priority to get your mate.

Besides that it´s not even cheating. It is fraud


Bull, Never seen.

It's open public knowledge with faction pages on this very forum announcing it from two or more years back.

Its not a pick up game when you game it. Its cheating.

It's the same as running a hack just it's for those too afraid to go the whole route. Synch droppers are the lowest animal. To cowardly to take real risk to cheat so just a little is safe. It's still cheating.

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Posted 22 August 2016 - 03:55 AM

You are helpless Mudhut...
But just because you have a K/D well below 1.0 does not justify to bash all the players better than you.

It was announced 2 years back to meet for synchfarming? Huh?

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Posted 22 August 2016 - 03:57 AM

View PostFlitzomat, on 22 August 2016 - 03:41 AM, said:

Running synchchannels is something I have never seen. Dropping with and against teammates occasionally is unavoidable and it´s always number 1 priority to get your mate.

Besides that it´s not even cheating. It is fraud

They used to do them on the NGNG TS and stream them. I think they called them syncdrop tuesdays or something.

Before you freak out, it's totally benign.

It's just a bunch of random players, mixed units and pugs, pressing drop at the same time, some don't make it into the same game, the ones that do end up on either side of the matches, then they change channels depending on where the MM places them. And then they fight it out just like pug drops. There isn't any advantage in doing it because every player is basically randomly placed and everyone has voip anyway.

The only reason to be scared of it is because people who don't use voip are aweful at the game and don't like it when other people are better than them. But even in these cases there isn't anything to worry about as even if you end up in one of these matches, as many as on your team will be voiping as there are on the other team.

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Posted 22 August 2016 - 03:59 AM

View PostGhogiel, on 22 August 2016 - 03:57 AM, said:

They used to do them on the NGNG TS and stream them. I think they called them syncdrop tuesdays or something.

Before you freak out, it's totally benign.

It's just a bunch of random players, mixed units and pugs, pressing drop at the same time, some don't make it into the same game, the ones that do end up on either side of the matches, then they change channels depending on where the MM places them. And then they fight it out just like pug drops. There isn't any advantage in doing it because every player is basically randomly placed and everyone has voip anyway.

The only reason to be scared of it is because people who don't use voip are aweful at the game and don't like it when other people are better than them. But even in these cases there isn't anything to worry about as even if you end up in one of these matches, as many as on your team will be voiping as there are on the other team.


Ah the passive excuse. Sorry but your response is so typical and expected. "We cheat but mean no harm"

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Posted 22 August 2016 - 03:59 AM

View PostGhogiel, on 22 August 2016 - 03:14 AM, said:

It was both actually. The wallhack was obvious in both RHoD and the 1v1 tourney, but the aimbot was pretty obvious against proton in the 1v1 too. Both are part of framework and are installed together anyway, so both were there.

I don't know if you can find the vids to rewatch though.


When I was talking to Proton after that game he suspected the wallhack but not the aimbot.
Anyway, thats irrelevant by now, that is one idiot out of the entire competitive scene. Its dumb to do it in comp with all the video footage and/or spectator mode, like he's so brilliantly proven.

And as I've said, in 4 years of playing I've seen wallhack being used only once and no aimbots at all. What you do see all the time is silly accusations from clueless peeps who for example decide to hug a 12-SPL Gargoyle in their Commando then cry about aimbotting when their CT suddenly goes missing (yes mr.Z I'm looking at you right now).

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Posted 22 August 2016 - 04:00 AM

View PostGhogiel, on 22 August 2016 - 03:57 AM, said:

They used to do them on the NGNG TS and stream them. I think they called them syncdrop tuesdays or something.


Sure thing, I have don the same. But Mudhut is referring to these events as the only reason to be up in the boards beside of cheating.

And this is what I have never seen or heard of: Synchdrops for farming (OK wrong, we had these times as well, but for these events today). And even if so. Try synchropping. By the time you have a truly successful synch, ah forget it, people know what I mean)

BTW Mudhut, who does not cheat, everyone in T5/T4? I think T3 already qualifies for being "to good". Looking at youPosted Image

Edited by Flitzomat, 22 August 2016 - 04:05 AM.


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Posted 22 August 2016 - 04:04 AM

View PostPhoenixFire55, on 22 August 2016 - 03:59 AM, said:


When I was talking to Proton after that game he suspected the wallhack but not the aimbot.
Anyway, thats irrelevant by now, that is one idiot out of the entire competitive scene. Its dumb to do it in comp with all the video footage and/or spectator mode, like he's so brilliantly proven.

And as I've said, in 4 years of playing I've seen wallhack being used only once and no aimbots at all. What you do see all the time is silly accusations from clueless peeps who for example decide to hug a 12-SPL Gargoyle in their Commando then cry about aimbotting when their CT suddenly goes missing (yes mr.Z I'm looking at you right now).


The next excuse. "your bad as a player so must be wrong"

View PostFlitzomat, on 22 August 2016 - 04:00 AM, said:


Sure thing, I have don the same. But Mudhut is referring to these events as the only reason to be up in the boards beside of cheating.

And this is what I have never seen or heard of: Synchdrops for farming


What I am saying is if your a good and legitimate player this kind of stuff should make you blood boil.

What we see is nothing but cover for bad behavior not you good players lining up an demanding a clean game.

If you a good player you should be on PGI's butt to do something but your not. Therefore your all suspect.

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Posted 22 August 2016 - 04:10 AM

View PostMudhutwarrior, on 22 August 2016 - 03:31 AM, said:


Explain factions running Sych drop channels then?

Is it just for camaraderie? I think not and after playing PTS 4x4 I see I am not as bad as I thought and can hold may own against known tier 1s in a direct fight.

Sorry. Most of you guys in high tiers are frauds. I am convinced now.


I guess you mean something like the FRR TS when you speak of factions?
Sigh
I'm not sure people still do this, and I think the last few times people tried it they ended up on the opposite site way more often than on the same
Which would be more fun anyway

The real difference is that players coming to a TS already show a sign of willingness to communicate and to either lead or follow
Ingame TS people are usually still not working together over comms

Also I constantly go up in ranking
If I play that is

It's really more an xp bar to grind
But I also always bring a UAV and try to hold a lock
That and a willingness to work together instead of killstealing usually rewards me with good match scores

It's really not difficult to go up

Tier 1 doesn't really mean leet skillz
Especially in damage monsters like dire's and kodiaks
Damage counts into match score

Efficiently killing rewards way less
Sandpapering the enemys armor rewards more

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Posted 22 August 2016 - 04:11 AM

You can be sure that it does make all good and legitimate players angry. But they have a different approach:

When you know from your own experience what is possible without cheating, you get realy careful accusing others to do so when they perform realy good. And then there are these exceptional players. They can repeat their games as they whish. But be sure they were reported a trillion times and checked by PGI. And as there are the "private bans" we know PGI is doing smth. if they detect smth.

BTW. There was an instance of synch farming an event (Tuikayid I think) where the relevant persons were all removed from the leaderboards.

One last comment on cheats: If you know the video of how the cheat programm worked, then you should not so much be suspicious of the ones hitting you precisely with every shot.

Edited by Flitzomat, 22 August 2016 - 04:16 AM.


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Posted 22 August 2016 - 04:21 AM

View PostPhoenixFire55, on 22 August 2016 - 03:59 AM, said:


When I was talking to Proton after that game he suspected the wallhack but not the aimbot.
Anyway, thats irrelevant by now, that is one idiot out of the entire competitive scene. Its dumb to do it in comp with all the video footage and/or spectator mode, like he's so brilliantly proven.

And as I've said, in 4 years of playing I've seen wallhack being used only once and no aimbots at all. What you do see all the time is silly accusations from clueless peeps who for example decide to hug a 12-SPL Gargoyle in their Commando then cry about aimbotting when their CT suddenly goes missing (yes mr.Z I'm looking at you right now).


Granted. Like their actual play leve in MWOl, most players being bad, most players QQing about hacks are clueless about them and can't tell if they are being facehugging noobs and giving their CT for easy pwnage from a skilled player or from a hacker.
But that's just not always the case. Some players aren't scrubs and have seen this **** a fair amount.

In retrospect I've seen the aimbot in action dozens if not hundreds of times. A few times I was convinced and surprising it turned out to be true.
I actually remember dasadevil, a player banned in the first ban wave was using it in both 1v1s and in general play, once I watched a 1v1 with him in a spl Gar and it made me go WTF lol aimbot. Then a couple months later ban wave byebye.

I remember Ilegionlord, in both 1v1s and general play. Several times I suspected him aimbotting. I remember talking with Cico and kinda joking about Ilegion aimbotting. Few months later, banned. And Cico was "I ******* knew it!"

I remember Randy, who I still see in general play under a different account, and thought huh a couple times, but even under many games in both group solo and lobby I wasn't really suspected of him of hacks. Others were mind you, but point is they have to be a bad hacker to be obvious. It's really hard to tell unless you are 1v1ing and playing with them in group a lot and they have to be blatant like moderatepudding was.

Edited by Ghogiel, 22 August 2016 - 04:22 AM.


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Posted 22 August 2016 - 04:30 AM

View PostStone Wall, on 22 August 2016 - 03:34 AM, said:



Use lasers



And with that... you disqualified yourselfe. Since people are talking about gauss, PPCs and ACs... you know.. balistic weapons and not beam weapons.

At ranges where you are good when you can reliably hit a medium mech where you want to. And that on tiny mechs like the locusts running at full speed, torso twisting. (according to the people here, take that for what its worth though)

Sure you can hit with lasers, but how much damage will that be? 1 or 2 points cause you gently caressed their flank at these ranges of 500m+ that they talk about?

(thought your tips are all sound and true if one wants to step up their game

As far as hacking and cheating itselfe goes thought. Again you would find this stuff more often then not in the higher tiers, its the nature of hacking/cheating in games that have ladder systems and doesnt say that much about the quality of high tier players since theres hardly anything they can do against hackers populating the upper ranks.

On the other hand its not really common because for all intents and purposes mechwarrior online isnt important enough that people go to such lengths.

Games like Overwatch.. thats where you will find rampant cheating at first... that is till blizzard swings their massive banhammer and then the kiddies will cry.. but what else is new?

MWO however? Maybe during events youll see an increase.. otherwise its so rare you have to be REALLY unlucky to stumble over a hack user.

Edited by Riptor, 22 August 2016 - 04:39 AM.


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Posted 22 August 2016 - 04:33 AM

View PostMudhutwarrior, on 22 August 2016 - 03:59 AM, said:


Ah the passive excuse. Sorry but your response is so typical and expected. "We cheat but mean no harm"


It's just the facts of how synch dropping into pugs is randomly split between both teams thus statiscally negating any gaming of the system. That and everyone has voip anyway so TS is not an advantage.

Only bads who won't orgnanise or use voip wan't to make sure the other side is as bad, unorganised and voipless as they like to play. Sorry, but voip exists

Edited by Ghogiel, 22 August 2016 - 04:35 AM.


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Posted 22 August 2016 - 04:34 AM

View PostMudhutwarrior, on 22 August 2016 - 04:04 AM, said:

The next excuse. "your bad as a player so must be wrong"


You can put another one of your cool stories up yours dude. We've already heard quite a few, and we've already seen videos posted by people you were accusing of smth clearly showing exactly what was happening and how it was entirely opposite from your delusions ...

This one is still my favorite, while here is what actually happened.

In your case, you are truly both bad and wrong.

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Posted 22 August 2016 - 04:37 AM

Being accused of hacking is almost like a award in this game.
Being accused of hacking and aimbotting while running a srm crow or Jenner is like an Olympic gold medal.
Being accused of lag hacking in a 60kp/h assault is like * insert something really great*.
Being caught hacking is priceless.


[Redacted]
How low people can get...

Edited by draiocht, 22 August 2016 - 10:23 AM.


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Posted 22 August 2016 - 04:43 AM

I one-shotted a locust from behind at 600m without advanced zoom in a dual-gauss DWF this weekend. Was that you, OP?

On the flip side of that, I did notice one guy from about 1000m on Polar Highlands be VERY precise with his aiming. He popped my side torso at that distance without ever hitting anything else. I believe it was a dual-gauss Jager, but I never got his name and wasn't recording with shadowplay. He was really far from his team and we won that match pretty badly (it was like 12-3) so I can't imagine it worked out too well for him anyway.

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Posted 22 August 2016 - 04:50 AM

View PostxWiredx, on 22 August 2016 - 04:43 AM, said:

I one-shotted a locust from behind at 600m without advanced zoom in a dual-gauss DWF this weekend. Was that you, OP?

On the flip side of that, I did notice one guy from about 1000m on Polar Highlands be VERY precise with his aiming. He popped my side torso at that distance without ever hitting anything else. I believe it was a dual-gauss Jager, but I never got his name and wasn't recording with shadowplay. He was really far from his team and we won that match pretty badly (it was like 12-3) so I can't imagine it worked out too well for him anyway.


If he had advanced zoom and you're a relatively stationary large target (as the DWF tends to be), then it doesn't sound crazy at all. Especially if your facing wasn't directly at him, but rather at an angle which presented that side torso.

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Posted 22 August 2016 - 05:10 AM

View Postkesmai, on 22 August 2016 - 04:37 AM, said:

Being accused of hacking is almost like a award in this game.
Being accused of hacking and aimbotting while running a srm crow or Jenner is like an Olympic gold medal.
Being accused of lag hacking in a 60kp/h assault is like * insert something really great*.
Being caught hacking is priceless.


I'm well aware that things like heli0s framework or sdar are probably used in this game.
But really? Shelling out a monthly fee for cheating in this game?
How low people can get...


I've been called a hacker in both in a Jenner and a Warhammer. It was Tier 5 though, so I expect it at the bottom of the ladder and at the competitive top.

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Posted 22 August 2016 - 05:18 AM

View PostPhoenixFire55, on 22 August 2016 - 04:34 AM, said:


You can put another one of your cool stories up yours dude. We've already heard quite a few, and we've already seen videos posted by people you were accusing of smth clearly showing exactly what was happening and how it was entirely opposite from your delusions ...

This one is still my favorite, while here is what actually happened.

In your case, you are truly both bad and wrong.


So instead of presenting to the argument you resort to mudslinging. Low class at best.

I never once have claimed I am a good player. Average at best and I never cheated or exploited anything here.

But I seem to have seen many of your class claim they are good players but were caught cheating.

If that's what you need to resort to we can just put you with them because that is exactly what the leader of 66ah used to do here.

Your in good company with scumbags like that.

View PostGhogiel, on 22 August 2016 - 04:33 AM, said:


It's just the facts of how synch dropping into pugs is randomly split between both teams thus statiscally negating any gaming of the system. That and everyone has voip anyway so TS is not an advantage.

Only bads who won't orgnanise or use voip wan't to make sure the other side is as bad, unorganised and voipless as they like to play. Sorry, but voip exists



You have no proof of that. none. In fact when i publicly did it to prove what was going on we found the more who dropped together improved the odds of landing on the same team. Less than four it was a crapshoot. That's why faction sponsor TS channels for it still. The greater number dropping the better the odds you on the same team.

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Posted 22 August 2016 - 05:20 AM

View PostMudhutwarrior, on 22 August 2016 - 05:15 AM, said:


So instead of presenting to the argument you resort to mudslinging. Low class at best.

I never once have claimed I am a good player. Average at best and I never cheated or exploited anything here.

But I seem to have seen many of your class claim they are good players but were caught cheating.

If that's what you need to resort to we can just put you with them because that is exactly what the leader of 66ah used to do here.

Your in good company with scumbags like that.


Dude - looking at those links, you flat out lied about your experience with another pilot - the video was pretty damning and had no resemblance to your text description. His point being that if you are proven so unreliable there, your credibility with other "experiences" can also be called into question...

And your response to "mudslinging" is to get abusive? Frankly not doing yourself any favours...

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Posted 22 August 2016 - 05:22 AM

View PostMudhutwarrior, on 22 August 2016 - 05:18 AM, said:


So instead of presenting to the argument you resort to mudslinging. Low class at best.

I never once have claimed I am a good player. Average at best and I never cheated or exploited anything here.

But I seem to have seen many of your class claim they are good players but were caught cheating.

If that's what you need to resort to we can just put you with them because that is exactly what the leader of 66ah used to do here.

Your in good company with scumbags like that.




You have no proof of that. none. In fact when i publicly did it to prove what was going on we found the more who dropped together improved the odds of landing on the same team. Less than four it was a crapshoot. That's why faction sponsor TS channels for it still. The greater number dropping the better the odds you on the same team.

Wow dude. You really have issues.
If sync dropping is one of them, I fear no remedy for you.





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