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[Mudhutwarrior]

HartAtak, on 22 August 2016 - 05:20 AM, said:

Dude - looking at those links, you flat out lied about your experience with another pilot - the video was pretty damning and had no resemblance to your text description. His point being that if you are proven so unreliable there, your credibility with other "experiences" can also be called into question...

And your response to "mudslinging" is to get abusive? Frankly not doing yourself any favours...

But this isn't about me. Its classic avoidance. It's classic 66ah.

If your a great player the things were discussing should upset you. Great players don't need to run cheats, synch drop to farm c-bills or anything else.

If your with the scumbags who do these things we discuss you will use any tool in the box to cover up for or distract from the subject matter. So again we can see what side your on.

[Eboli]

One of the reasons I stopped playing is that there are different levels of cheating and exploiting that PGI is not bothering to do something about.

Let alone all those many other reasons.

[HartAtak]

Mudhutwarrior, on 22 August 2016 - 05:24 AM, said:

But this isn't about me. Its classic avoidance. It's classic 66ah.

If your a great player the things were discussing should upset you. Great players don't need to run cheats, synch drop to farm c-bills or anything else.

If your with the scumbags who do these things we discuss you will use any tool in the box to cover up for or distract from the subject matter. So again we can see what side your on.

I'm an average T3 player whose been playing for around 2 months now. You and anyone else can check my stats online. And frankly it wouldn't have taken you long to do the the check before you started throwing out more baseless accusations about being a "great player" or about where I side on this issue. That pretty much tells me all I need to know about your "mindset". Anyway, this is a game and I've got better things to do than waste any more time replying to your nonsensical rantings, so take this as my last word on this topic and last reply to you.

[nitra]

This is how it is.

there was a wave of playes banned several months ago for cheating.

during that time period people were ridiculed for claiming that there was cheating going on .

regardless it was announced that more bans were coming .

they never did.

when questioned why ? a soft answer was giving about it not being necessary blah blah blah


since then cheating will only rise until it becomes a nuisance again .

maybe we are getting to that stage again ..


but the one take away from all this is .

cheating is in the game . learn to deal with it . because nobody else cares.

i hate it but its true.

[Cox Devalis]

Blue Pheonix, on 21 August 2016 - 10:58 PM, said:

1. Is anyone else seeing really suspicious things like what I posted in the OP?
2. Does anyone have any suggestions on how I can start recording games?

1. Either didn't see that or didn't get it as "suspicious things". But me and my teammates are still getting accused for "hacks".
2. I found Bandicam very convenient for me.

Edited by Cox Devalis, 22 August 2016 - 05:34 AM.

[Mudhutwarrior]

IN the COC

• Exploiting game bugs or mechanics to gain any unfair advantages or benefits, either for yourself, your teammates, or players on the opposing team.
  
• Exploiting or manipulating the matchmaking system.

Its pretty clear.

You guys are defending the wrong side here. Synch dropping is exploiting against the rules. Doesn't matter intent or "were having fun"

That PGI does nothing about it doesn't matter. I may suck as a player but I am not exploiting like the lot of you are.

Rather be a bad and clean than be a good and dirty and as far as I am concerned if you defend dirty you are what you eat.

[Mudhutwarrior]

HartAtak, on 22 August 2016 - 05:30 AM, said:

I'm an average T3 player whose been playing for around 2 months now. You and anyone else can check my stats online. And frankly it wouldn't have taken you long to do the the check before you started throwing out more baseless accusations about being a "great player" or about where I side on this issue. That pretty much tells me all I need to know about your "mindset". Anyway, this is a game and I've got better things to do than waste any more time replying to your nonsensical rantings, so take this as my last word on this topic and last reply to you.

I don't go around checking players out. I don't go around defending cheats and exploits either. I read what you have to say and judge from that because its a discussion. If I need to go through your posts and scores I have other things in mind and I don't play like that.

[kesmai]

Cox Devalis, on 22 August 2016 - 05:34 AM, said:

1. Either didn't see that or didn't get it as "suspicious things". But me and my teammates are still getting accused for "hacks".
2. I found Bandicam very convenient for me.

But everyone knows that EVIL is hacking.
And 228.
And MS.
And kcom
And emp.
And *insert everyone you got rolled by*.

[Clownwarlord]

Aim bots are in MWO, BUT!!! Surprisingly PGI has done very well against cheats, but like all games it could be better. There have been some issues of PGI finding cheaters and then instead of banning them just letting them play it out (this was an issue back in January), and now PGI will not talk about the subject of cheating.

kesmai, on 22 August 2016 - 05:39 AM, said:

But everyone knows that EVIL is hacking.
And 228.
And MS.
And kcom
And emp.
And *insert everyone you got rolled by*.

I wouldn't say the entire unit cheats, but some players have been found to cheat in each of them.

[Mudhutwarrior]

Captain Luffy, on 22 August 2016 - 05:45 AM, said:

I wouldn't say the entire unit cheats, but some players have been found to cheat in each of them.

The issue is its not hard to know when a teammate is running wall hacks or aimbot. At a minimum it should raise questions.

That the teams do nothing reveals they would rather enjoy the benefits. I say ban every last one of them at least for a time.

It's the only way to slow it down.

[Ghogiel]

Mudhutwarrior, on 22 August 2016 - 05:18 AM, said:

You have no proof of that. none. In fact when i publicly did it to prove what was going on we found the more who dropped together improved the odds of landing on the same team. Less than four it was a crapshoot. That's why faction sponsor TS channels for it still. The greater number dropping the better the odds you on the same team.

Who is we and how large was your sample? Also what public proof? Pics or it didn't happen. How did it affect your W/L? Was the amount statistically relevant?

And now tell me how it is even unfair anyway. What advantage are you scared of?
Can't be voip or communication because voip is standard in MWO now.
Can't be because MM is always putting better players on oneside over the other because PSR and MM doesn't do that.

[Johnny Z]

Flitzomat, on 22 August 2016 - 03:27 AM, said:

No1: Usually the "cheating is everywhere faction" denies that PGI is doing anything and is absolutely imune to arguments (not counting you, as you know about private bans)
No2: Often the "cheating is everywhere faction" is made up from players that, despite their often longlasting MWO experience, is finding themselves in the lower part of skill. Often their arguments can be explained by lack of understanding the game mechanics/not understanding hit reg problems/ not understanding how superb players can be so good. But they are again imune to arguments.
No3: Often these accusations are made by accounts with under 20 posts in four years. They drop their rant and are never to be seen until next rant in 3 years.

Conclusion: As all arguments tend to fail in these reoccuring discussions even the most reasonable and fond forumwarriors, who are well aware or rare cheating, tend to answer this. And there is even some truth in it as you see in No2

I tried to stay out of this one as long as possible.

Lower part of skill? Really? Its the cheat users with no skill trying to make legit players feel like they have no skill. The definition of irony.

One of the main reasons players cheat is to simply abuse their fellow players and make them feel as bad as possible. This is why in game comments insulting teams are often seen.

Anyway now that I have replied here I am sure this topic will be locked.

[PhoenixFire55]

Mudhutwarrior, on 22 August 2016 - 05:18 AM, said:

So instead of presenting to the argument you resort to mudslinging. Low class at best.

Missing the point. And the point was that you are a proven liar. So please, keep telling us all about hacks and whatnot.

Mudhutwarrior, on 22 August 2016 - 05:18 AM, said:

But I seem to have seen many of your class claim they are good players but were caught cheating.

Name one. After all you've seen so many, shouldn't be hard, eh?
Better yet post a video proof of obvious aimbotting etc. But of course you won't.

[Johnny Z]

Mudhutwarrior, on 22 August 2016 - 03:47 AM, said:

Bull, Never seen.

It's open public knowledge with faction pages on this very forum announcing it from two or more years back.

Its not a pick up game when you game it. Its cheating.

It's the same as running a hack just it's for those too afraid to go the whole route. Synch droppers are the lowest animal. To cowardly to take real risk to cheat so just a little is safe. It's still cheating.

Give this man a gold star for being that right.

[Mudhutwarrior]

Ghogiel, on 22 August 2016 - 06:02 AM, said:

Who is we and how large was your sample? Also what public proof? Pics or it didn't happen. How did it affect your W/L? Was the amount statistically relevant?

And now tell me how it is even unfair anyway. What advantage are you scared of?
Can't be voip or communication because voip is standard in MWO now.
Can't be because MM is always putting better players on oneside over the other because PSR and MM doesn't do that.

I don't give a **** about my w/l. Why? Its a game stupid. I am here to have fun. Accepting that exploiters and outright cheaters are a part of that is not what I consider fun. Its abusing others for your pleasure which makes you a scumbag.

You tryhards who think you tier or scores mean something are living in unicorn land. Who are you trying to impress?

Sure its nice to be ranked high but its not anything special. I don't think anyone uses it in their resume. Its an online game so if you think your special just play pokeman and grab them all. Some 12 year old boy might be impressed one day.

[Cox Devalis]

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[Bishop Steiner]

Lukoi Banacek, on 21 August 2016 - 11:07 PM, said:

OBS is great for this.

But ultimately, video proof isn't even really needed. PGI can see the telemetry from the matches in their databases well enough to see indicators of this alleged increase in hacker activity.

I imagine with the increase in players, there's an increase in cheating but proportionally it remains about the same. Which is to say, hardly prevalent at all.

Video proof is kind of needed...

I find that when I do encounter an issue (like various problems with Raven, Spiders etc in the past) having that video to post everywhere can kind of "shame" PGI into finally looking into something, which they often seem loathe to do if you don't publicly slap them in the face, first, so to speak.

MWO's major bug fix history is almost always predicated by the degree of public shaming and uproar they incur.

[Johnny Z]

kesmai, on 22 August 2016 - 04:37 AM, said:

Being accused of hacking is almost like a award in this game.
Being accused of hacking and aimbotting while running a srm crow or Jenner is like an Olympic gold medal.
Being accused of lag hacking in a 60kp/h assault is like * insert something really great*.
Being caught hacking is priceless.


I'm well aware that things like heli0s framework or sdar are probably used in this game.
But really? Shelling out a monthly fee for cheating in this game?
How low people can get...

I have never been accused of hacking. I was going to boast about scores to prove my point but I wont.
Anyway legit players and cheats are easy to tell apart. Get good and play legit and then build a legit account is the way to go. Hackers get banned eventually. Always, one way or another.

Anyone who knows anything is, that the most kind thing to happen to a cheater is they get caught. The alternative is worse. Something to do with karma. Or what ever anyone wants to call it.

Edited by Johnny Z, 22 August 2016 - 06:17 AM.

[Mudhutwarrior]

PhoenixFire55, on 22 August 2016 - 06:10 AM, said:

Missing the point. And the point was that you are a proven liar. So please, keep telling us all about hacks and whatnot.



Name one. After all you've seen so many, shouldn't be hard, eh?
Better yet post a video proof of obvious aimbotting etc. But of course you won't.

I don't know but your as aggressive as the last one who followed me around and tried to sling mud on mud.

In all the years I have been here thats the best you can do? Bring up the same thing brought up twenty times before?

Well the last one making such a point was part of the 64 banned in the first wave so my bet on you stands.

[PhoenixFire55]

Captain Luffy, on 22 August 2016 - 05:45 AM, said:

I wouldn't say the entire unit cheats, but some players have been found to cheat in each of them.

Then why don't you give us names of those players in each of said units who were found? It won't even be name-n-shame coz PGI clearly posted a list of cheaters themselves eh.

Go ahead, we are waiting.