23 replies to this topic

[DaFrog]

so unless I am mistaken, narc and tags do not work on regular srms ?
I got like 30 kills with a narc and srms and nothing is registering for the event ? what gives ?

[Kargush]

They're for LRMs, not SRMs or streaks. This could perhaps have been made clear either in the mechlab, or as part of the tutorial.

[Tsar Bomba]

TAG does not work with normal SRMs they are not guided. Streaks work fine with TAG since they're guided. This also means TAG+Streak kills fulfill the event criteria.

I don't use NARC so I can't speak to its efficacy with Streaks, but I know it also will not work with the unguided version.

Edited by Tsar Bomba, 05 September 2016 - 09:31 AM.

[Bohxim]

They work for streaks too. You only use tag and narc to improve lock on capabilities, which benefit streaks

[DaFrog]

well that is pure BS. Everyone knows that tag and narc are compatible with regular srms as well.Battletech and mechwarrior games clearly established that. If narc and tag don't work for srms, then neither should artemis as it does the exact same thing.

Edited by DaFrog, 05 September 2016 - 10:23 AM.

[RestosIII]

It's really frustrating for me that normal SRMs don't have slight tracking when a target is NARC'd. Give us the ammo that is setup to work with them.

[vandalhooch]

DaFrog, on 05 September 2016 - 10:22 AM, said:

well that is pure BS. Everyone knows that tag and narc are compatible with regular srms as well.Battletech and mechwarrior games clearly established that. If narc and tag don't work for srms, then neither should artemis as it does the exact same thing.

How exactly would the in-game mechanic for TAG and NARC work with SRM's in your mind?

[DaFrog]

vandalhooch, on 05 September 2016 - 10:45 AM, said:

How exactly would the in-game mechanic for TAG and NARC work with SRM's in your mind?

same as with lrms and artemis... how is that so hard ? they made artemis work for lrms and srms no ?
So tag and narc should give the same bonus to all missiles as artemis does.

[SQW]

DaFrog, on 05 September 2016 - 02:33 PM, said:

same as with lrms and artemis... how is that so hard ? they made artemis work for lrms and srms no ?
So tag and narc should give the same bonus to all missiles as artemis does.

TAG and NARC are homing beacons. SRM can't change direction in mid-flight - they are big, slow bullets for all intent and purpose. You might as well complain that NARC doesn't guide your AC20 round into a cockpit.

[DaFrog]

SQW, on 05 September 2016 - 04:32 PM, said:

TAG and NARC are homing beacons. SRM can't change direction in mid-flight - they are big, slow bullets for all intent and purpose. You might as well complain that NARC doesn't guide your AC20 round into a cockpit.

HEY ! If artemis works, so should NARC. End of story. Check all rules pertaining to battletech and the history of NARCS and artemis. If you're going to be like that, than IS TAG and Narc should not be compatible with CLAN launchers and vice versa...

Artemis allows for tighter grouping on target, and so does NARC. Last time I checked, there was no lock on target necessary for artemis to take effect. So if NARC absolutely needs a lock on target to allow tighter groupings, so should artemis.

So based on this, there is zero merit in equipping artemis to srm launchers, since they do not benefit in anyway shape or form. You're better off saving the extra ton for more ammo.

Edited by DaFrog, 05 September 2016 - 04:50 PM.

[RestosIII]

SQW, on 05 September 2016 - 04:32 PM, said:

TAG and NARC are homing beacons. SRM can't change direction in mid-flight - they are big, slow bullets for all intent and purpose. You might as well complain that NARC doesn't guide your AC20 round into a cockpit.

From Sarna.

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Narc Missile Beacon is a missile homing utility that can be planted on enemy targets, causing friendly SRMs and LRM missiles (even those that do not traditionally have homing capabilities) to lock on to them. They are particularly useful when used in tandem with LRMs.

Just putting that out there.

Edited by RestosIII, 05 September 2016 - 04:45 PM.

[Bud Crue]

You guys are so cute thinking this game would actually follow BT lore, let alone actual mechanisms from earlier games.
Now go play CW where the 30/20/10 point Long Tom of "lore" is actually a random nuclear strike.

Just adorable.

[RestosIII]

Bud Crue, on 05 September 2016 - 04:52 PM, said:

Now go play CW where the 30/20/10 point Long Tom of "lore" is actually a random nuclear strike.

[SQW]

RestosIII, on 05 September 2016 - 04:45 PM, said:

From Sarna.

Just putting that out there.

And MWO ECM, Gauss, Flamer, LBX-10s all work as written in lore? You have clan mechs and IS mechs fighting side by side in 12v12 scrums! Where's the lance vs stars? Where's the zellbrigen?

The OP is just complaining because he did a bunch of work without first reading on the rules and still wants compensation. The whole point of the narc reward is to teach people to work with their LRM fire support. Loading up on SRM with a side Narc is all about personal glory.

[RestosIII]

SQW, on 05 September 2016 - 05:33 PM, said:

And MWO ECM, Gauss, Flamer, LBX-10s all work as written in lore? You have clan mechs and IS mechs fighting side by side in 12v12 scrums! Where's the lance vs stars? Where's the zellbrigen?

The OP is just complaining because he did a bunch of work without first reading on the rules and still wants compensation. The whole point of the narc reward is to teach people to work with their LRM fire support. Loading up on SRM with a side Narc is all about personal glory.

And I'm personally annoyed with ECM, LBX-10's, the 12 vs 12 scrums. And I perform rights of zellbrigen whenever possible. Your point?

[SQW]

RestosIII, on 05 September 2016 - 05:44 PM, said:

And I'm personally annoyed with ECM, LBX-10's, the 12 vs 12 scrums. And I perform rights of zellbrigen whenever possible. Your point?

My point was don't drag out the lore book when it comes to MWO because the game has its own rules and 'balances'. As a dedicated Narc user, I'd be more than happy if SRM/SSRM also works with narc but I also want cone of fire too so we just have to use what we've got.

[TercieI]

SQW, on 05 September 2016 - 06:14 PM, said:

My point was don't drag out the lore book when it comes to MWO because the game has its own rules and 'balances'. As a dedicated Narc user, I'd be more than happy if SRM/SSRM also works with narc but I also want cone of fire too so we just have to use what we've got.

Streaks do. I farmed all my TAG kills with a StreakCrow with TAG in the head.

[SQW]

TercieI, on 05 September 2016 - 07:01 PM, said:

Streaks do. I farmed all my TAG kills with a StreakCrow with TAG in the head.

TAG yes, Narc tracking and narc kills only work with LRMs.

[Pjwned]

If SRMs continue to not have the increased damage that they should for not having any lock-on capabilities (it should be as much as 3 damage per missile for deadfire SRMs) then I would like to see NARC and maybe even TAG cause SRMs to lock on to a target.

That said I would prefer to just see SRMs be more powerful and streaks not be complete garbage rather than add homing capabilities to SRMs.

[Bohxim]

Negative SQW, got narc kills with streaks too. As long as it's guided, narc and tag helps.

Regarding the srm question: I believe artemis in MWO works on line of sight. So lrms grouping tightens when you have artemis and line of sight of enemy. Srms are always line of sight anyways so artemis automatically tighten groupings on srm.
Streaks home on individual components instead of a central target like lrms do, so artemis doesn't help it in that regard