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[Spleenslitta]

It is true that Energy Draw might bring TTK up. But it doesn't do much encourage mixed builds or to bring any more excitement to the game in comparison to Ghost Heat.

My idea has 4 steps to achieve balance with one bonus step involving IS CASE if you think it is necessary.
In the lower part of this post is a list where you guys can fill in the numbers and conditions that you think is fair.
And remember this may be a textwall but that is because i want to give you guys as many tools as possible to balance things.
Nobody can say i do things sloppily.

1 - Gyro bar. Whenever you fire AC's and Gauss you produce recoil by the same amount of damage the weapon causes.
The gyro recovers a set amount of balance per second.
I do not know how high the Gyro's limit or recovery should be.
Whenever you overload the Gyro bar something happens.
More about this inside the spoiler button marked - Shoot wildly and this might happen

2 - In the Tabletop game a mech with high heat had all kinds of penalties such as slower movement and chances of ammo detonation.
More about this inside the spoiler button marked - High heat is bad for you

3 - Ammo detonations. They used to be a thing to be feared in MWO but now we got a 10% chance of ammo explosions whenever a pile of ammo is destroyed.
This means CASE has very little purpose.
I know many believe having a higher chance of ammo explosions would lower TTK but think about this for 10 seconds.

Having enough ammo to feed a Dual UAC20 / LRM60-80 / 4x UAC5 means stuffing a mech to the brim and then some.
Higher chances of ammo detonation would mean there would be greater risks to carrying such large amounts of ammo.
Especially in the later parts of the match when armor has been stripped away.

That means some players will hesitate at carrying massive amounts of ammunition consuming firepower and instead go for a less risky way of building their mechs.

4 - Flamer fix. Make the Flamer have 2 purposes.
1st - Increasing heat in mechs like it does now but with one big difference.
Whenever a flamer burns unarmored internals it is much more effective at producing heat inside the enemy mech.

2nd - Let the flamer have a higher chance to detonate ammo piles not protected by armor.

How much better at causing heat and detonating ammo? Should there be a lesser return on this chance with every additional flamer?

You can put the answers to those questions into the list below.

5 - The bonus step. IS CASE weighs 0.5 tonns and takes up a crit slot but the Clan CASE is weightless and omnipresent in clan mechs.
To make the playing field more even maybe the IS CASE could have the ability of decreasing the chances of ammo explosions inside the bodypart it is mounted in.
This is of course in addition to it's original purpose.

There is a spot in the list i keep babbling about for both the IS CASE and the Flamer.
Fill in the numbers you think are fair.

Shoot wildly and this might happen

Spoiler

Whenever you produce too much recoil the gyro cannot keep up and something happens.
Put whichever consequence you deem fair into the list and at which point it happens.

Should several things should happen when going above the GBL or just one thing?
If only one thing happens should it be randomised or based on the weapon going above GBL?
Put one of these into the list to state your opinion.
One random thing from the concequences you selected = R
Several things = S
Just one thing = O

Just put the ?B in the list along with any numbers that particular consequence needs filled in.
I will put examples of these numbers inside each consequence. Remember they are just examples so stay calm.

GBL is short for Gyro Bar Limit.
Per Point of damage Above Gyro Bar Limit = PPA GBL

1B Reticle jitter / severe screenshake like when you're using JJ's.
Example - Last for 3 seconds PPA GBL.

2B Shot deflections. Decreased amount of damage.
Example - minus 10% damage PPA GBL with a maximum of minus 90%.

3B Get structure damage when you go above the GBL by a certain amount.
Example - 2 points of damage to structure PPA GBL + 5.
In other words when you get 2 points of structural damage for every point beyond 5 above GBL.

4B Twist the torso to the side or upwards by because of the massive recoil.
Whether it twists to the side or upwards depends on where the weapon is mounted.
In other words it depends on your mech.
Example: Torso pushed to the side or upwards by 3 degree's for every PPA GBL.

5B Recoil shakes the ammo feeds so all ammo jams for a while. You cannot reload missile or ballistic weapons while the jam is in effect.
The more you overloaded the GBL the longer the jam lasts.
Example - Jam lasts for 3 seconds for every PPA GBL.

6B When recoil has overloaded the recoil bar by a lot the mech will stagger backwards when stationary and slow down while going forward.
Example - Minus 5 Kph PPA GBL.

7B Mech gets knocked down by the massive recoil. Keep in mind this would mean the dev's would have to make falling and getting up animations for all mechs.
This will probably delay other things including how fast they can get new mechs into the game.
How far above GBL do you need to be for your mech to fall over?
Example - 6 above GBL.

8B The gun (or guns) that caused the recoil to go above GBL gets damaged. Not necessarily destroyed unless you keep overloading the recoil bar repeatedly till the weapon has no more health.
Example - 1 point of damage to weapon for every 2 PPA GBL.

9B Other internal components mounted in the same body section as the weapon you went over the GBL with gets damaged.
These components include heatsinks, other weapons, JJ's, ECM, etc.
If there are no components the damage is applied to internal structure.
Example - 1 point of damage to random internal equipment or internal structure for every 1 PPA GBL.

10B You can get a temporary damage or damage that lasts throughout the match to the gyro.
Lowers either GBL or GBL regeneration or maybe both.
Example - Lowers GBL by 1 point for every damage point above GBL for 2 minutes.
Example 2 - Damages Gyro for the rest of the match by 1 point of damage per 3 PPA GBL.
Destroyed Gyro means your mech dies.

11B As above but damage to gyro lowers top speed and/or acceleration/deceleration throughout the entire match.
If your gyro is destroyed your mech cannot remain standing. Mech destroyed.
Example - Lowers top speed and acceleration /decelaration by 8% per point of damage to the gyro.

High heat is bad for you

Spoiler

Select the consequences you think is fair and put them into the list.
If you want something to get worse as heat increases you put GWHI after the HH number and if possible how much worse it gets as it gets hotter.
Example - 60% heat - Speed 80% - 2HH GWHI by 1 second per 10% above 80%
Kick in treshold is when the consequence kicks in.

1HH - Lower sensor range. Example - 70 meters less range per 10% heat above kick in treshold = 70M per 10% heat.

2HH - Longer time to get data on targeted enemy mech. Example - 1 second longer per 10% above kick in treshold = 1 sec per 10%

3HH - Longer time to lock on with missiles. Example 0.5 seconds longer time to lock on per 10% = 0.5 secs per 10%

4HH - Gyro starts to perform less effectivly. It's less effective at countering recoil.
Example - 2 less recoil absorption per 10% heat above kick in treshold = -2 recoil per 10% heat

5HH - BAP's ability to boost sensors is gone.

6HH - ECM only affects the mech it is mounted on.

7HH - HUD minimap and compass flicker really badly till mech cools down.
8HH - Both minimap and compass go totally offline till mech cools down.

9HH - Chance of ammo detonation from high amount of heat. State how much higher the chance gets the higher the heat goes.
For example - 50% chance of detonation per 2 secs at this heat level = 50% per 2 secs.
You stepped into a minefield when you got your mech this hot. Your own fault.

10HH - You behave as if you were inside an enemy ECM bubble.
11HH - Automatic ammo explosion. Let's face it. This was hotter than any sauna you've ever been in and it was bound to happen.
Multitonn exploding sauna vehicles. What will they think of next?

Explanation about the list

Spoiler

Congratulations. You managed to read all that gibberish.
The reason i'm asking you to put all this into a list is because it will be easier/faster for the dev's to read what we're thinking.
Here is an explanation of the points you have to fill into the list.

Gyro Bar Limit - How much recoil the gyro can absorb instantly.
Gyro Bar Limit regeneration is - per sec How quickly the GBL refills
If gyro is damaged - Less GBL per point of damage on gyro. If your gyro is damaged you get a smaller GBL by the number you fill in.

Whether one Thing, Random or Several should happen when going above GBL.
One Thing = You have only selected one thing that can happen. Writte OT
Random = a random consequence is selected from the list of cons you have selected.
Several = All the consequences you selected happens when going above GBL.

Speed is how limited the mechs top speed, acceleration and deceleration is with it's current heat level.
Twist is how fast the mechs arms and torso can move with it's current heat level.
Con is the consequences that kick in at it's current heat level.

Flamer stats.
Detonation chance is a flamers chances to detonate ammo not protected by armor.
Heating capability is how good a flamer is at heating mechs with armor. Writte current if you want it to be like it is right now.
Writte heat per second if you want to change things.
Unarmored heating capability - Ability to heat up mechs with unarmored bodysections.
Heating Ceiling - if you want the Flamer to be incapable of heating an enemy past a certain point writte the heat ceiling.
If you want the Flamer to be capable of making mechs explode from overheating leave this spot blank.

IS CASE (optional) The decrease in percentage of the chance that IS CASE will prevent ammo detonation.
Doesn't need to be filled if you don't want the IS to get more on equal grounds with Clan CASE.
Can IS CASE lower chances of ammo explosion from heat? You either say No or by how many percent the IS CASE lowers ammo detonation by heat.

My example of how to fill the list.

Spoiler

Gyro Bar Limit is - 30
Gyro Bar Limit regeneration is - 10 per sec
If gyro is damaged - 2 Less GBL per point of damage on gyro.

Whether One thing (you have only selected one thing that can happen) Random or All should happen when going above GBL.
Answer = A

Going above GBL Concequences
- 1B 3 secs PPA GBL
- 3B 2 of damage GBL +5
- 8B 1 damage to weapon PPA GBL

High Heat Consequences
10% Heat % Speed %Twist Con -

20% Heat % Speed %Twist Con -

30% Heat 95% Speed %Twist Con -

40% Heat 90% Speed 90%Twist Con -

50% Heat 80% Speed 85%Twist Con - 2HH GWHI 1 sec per 10%

60% Heat 70% Speed 75%Twist Con - 1HH GWHI 70M per 10% heat
3HH GWHI 0.5 secs per 10% heat

70% Heat 60% Speed 70%Twist Con - 4HH GWHI -2 recoil per 10% heat

80% Heat 50% Speed 65%Twist Con - 5HH - 6HH

90% Heat 40% Speed 60%Twist Con - 7HH - 8HH GWHI 50% per 2 secs.

100% Heat 30% Speed 50%Twist Con - 8HH 75% per 2 secs.

Chances of ammo exploding when destroyed by a weapon other than a Flamer - 33%

Flamer stats. Detonation chance - 75% Heating capability - 1 Heat per second
Unarmored heating capability - 3 heat per second Heating ceiling - 90%

IS CASE (optional) 20% less chance of ammo explosion.
Can IS CASE lower chances of ammo explosion from heat? 10% less chance

Now copy paste everything below and put in your data before posting.

Gyro Bar Limit is -
Gyro Bar Limit regeneration is - per sec
If gyro is damaged - Less GBL per point of damage on gyro.

Whether One Thing, Random or All should happen when going above GBL.

Going above GBL consequences

High Heat consequences
10% Heat - %Speed - %Twist Con -

20% Heat - %Speed - %Twist Con -

30% Heat - %Speed - %Twist Con -

40% Heat - %Speed - %Twist Con -

50% Heat - %Speed - %Twist Con -

60% Heat - %Speed - %Twist Con -

70% Heat - %Speed - %Twist Con -

80% Heat - %Speed - %Twist Con -

90% Heat - %Speed - %Twist Con -

100% Heat - %Speed - %Twist Con -


Chances of ammo exploding when destroyed by a weapon other than a Flamer -

Flamer stats. Detonation chance - % Heating capability - Heat per second
Unarmored heating capability - heat per second Heating ceiling -

IS CASE stats (optional) % less chance of ammo explosion.
Can IS CASE lower chances of ammo explosion from heat?

Edited by Spleenslitta, 24 August 2016 - 02:44 PM.