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#1 Cy Mitchell

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Posted 27 August 2016 - 10:59 AM

It is a widely held opinion that PSR is broken and no longer fulfilling its intended purpose which is to help the matchmaker provide competitive games. There is evidence that PSR Tiers are being mixed across a much wider range than is supposed to happen with Tier 5 players being matched with players as high as Tier 2 at times.

There are also a lot of complaints that the Tier system is just an experience bar and eventually almost everyone will rise to Tier 1. That means that there are players that carry Tier 1 ratings that are much less skilled than other Tier 1 players just due to playing a lot of games. This results in a lot of frustration even among Tier 1 players.

Perhaps the time has come to do a hard reset of everyones PSR Tier level!

I can already hear the cries of indignation from some of the higher Tier players. "You cannot do that! I worked hard for my Tier rating!" To that I say, the PSR rating system was never meant to be a badge of honor or an ePeen award. It was meant to be a tool to separate new players and lesser skilled players from each other when queuing up a match so that both would have a chance to have an enjoyable game experience.

Next they will say, "But if you reset everyone then everyone will be mixed up and the games will be a mess with players of all skill levels shoved into every game!" Yep, they would be absolutely correct but isn't that what is already happening? The difference is that the cream of the crop will very quickly rise to the top and the separation of highly skilled players, moderately skilled players and less skilled players will happen in a matter of weeks if not days. When this happens the quality of the games will improve for everyone.

There will be the Achievement chasers who will say, "I earned that ranking! You cannot just arbitrarily take it away from me!" Yeah, I understand that achievements are important to a lot of gamers. However, that was never the intent of the Tier system. It is not really an achievement and IMO it is unfortunate that the Tier has come to be construed as one.

Finally, someone will say. "You are only proposing this because you are a low Tier!" Perhaps that is true. I honestly do not care about Tiers. I only notice it when that arrow either turns green and points up (My team and/or I did good?) or is red and points down (apparently I suxed!) Full disclosure; I have slightly over 500 games of experimenting, screwing around, learning and improving. Just now, I checked and I am a few pixels short of Tier 4. Even if I cared about my Tier ranking,That progress is not that much to lose so I do understand the angst of those that do put some value in their ranking. For the most part, matchmaking has not been that big a deal for me. I have been in games a couple times with players who I recognized from the forums that were Tier 2 and once I saw a player who I had played with in solo Q the previous week who had a Tier 1 under his name. Maybe he leveled up killing me? Still, most of my games have been fun and competitive.

As I understand it, it has taken the PSR system about a year to become the jumble mess that it has now become. Maybe a reset will buy us another year before it happens again (annual reset?). And maybe, once the players settle in to the Tiers where their skill level would place them then the matchmaker would once again be able to provide competitive matches again.

If we truly want the matchmaker and PSR to be meaningful then it either needs to be revamped completely or just reset so it can work again.


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#2 SamsungNinja

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Posted 27 August 2016 - 11:03 AM

No.

#3 Cy Mitchell

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Posted 27 August 2016 - 11:04 AM

View PostSamsungNinja, on 27 August 2016 - 11:03 AM, said:

No.


Short and sweet! Now, that is a man that gets right to the point.

#4 Douglas grizzly

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Posted 27 August 2016 - 11:10 AM

you can always ban the tier one players from dropping with the lower levels , even on thier alt accounts. when a higher level makes a new accounts, start it at the same level as the older account based on the isp of the person who made it.

#5 RestosIII

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Posted 27 August 2016 - 11:11 AM

View PostSamsungNinja, on 27 August 2016 - 11:03 AM, said:

No.

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There ARE people that are good at the game stuck in T5 due to their sheer number of matches they played when they were bads, making the amount of change per match barely noticeable. On the other side, there's me. I'm not a great pilot. I'm mediocre. But I ran laser vomit for awhile and rocketed up to T2. I'm now stuck here, despite the fact that most of my matches are supposedly negative in regards to PSR, due to me running around with lore builds. There are people in both camps who probaby shouldn't be where they are right now, and I don't see the harm in a reset. I don't think it should be top priority either, but I wouldn't oppose it.

#6 Monkey Lover

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Posted 27 August 2016 - 11:34 AM

It took me months of work to get down to tier 6 no way will I let you reset it!

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Posted 27 August 2016 - 11:43 AM

View PostRestosIII, on 27 August 2016 - 11:11 AM, said:


There ARE people that are good at the game stuck in T5 due to their sheer number of matches they played when they were bads, making the amount of change per match barely noticeable.


Sorry, but that's just not true. Any "good" player in T5 should be dominating most matches and rocketing up in PSR. Despite obvious tier-mixing and overflow in recent weeks (months?), typical T1 matches do not look like typical T5 matches. The difference in average skill level is huge, and an experienced, good player would clean house the majority of the time.

Edited by Kubernetes, 27 August 2016 - 11:43 AM.


#8 VaeVictus3025

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Posted 27 August 2016 - 11:49 AM

T5 doesnt take long to get out of. A string of good over a few days with some decent performance losses thrown in (even after having a terrible start while learning) is enough to bust out.

Interesting to say but i do notice a skill difference going from T5 to T4, i think being allowed to mix in with T2s have made a huge difference. Less scattering and more grouping up focus firing.

Edit: PSR reset just allows the goods to farm the bads for a lil while before they get forced up again. If it stops them from alt farming, i guess it could be considered a good idea.

Edited by VaeVictus3025, 27 August 2016 - 11:50 AM.


#9 jaxjace

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Posted 27 August 2016 - 11:50 AM

View PostKubernetes, on 27 August 2016 - 11:43 AM, said:

Sorry, but that's just not true. Any "good" player in T5 should be dominating most matches and rocketing up in PSR. Despite obvious tier-mixing and overflow in recent weeks (months?), typical T1 matches do not look like typical T5 matches. The difference in average skill level is huge, and an experienced, good player would clean house the majority of the time.



That being said, my seal club is ready...

I would like to have to grind up to tier 1, i started here and would like to have to work to get here instead. My only concern is that the **** would be so intense, so deep, so penetrating, that players would just stop playing even if the chaos was only a couple days.

#10 RestosIII

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Posted 27 August 2016 - 12:02 PM

View PostKubernetes, on 27 August 2016 - 11:43 AM, said:

Sorry, but that's just not true. Any "good" player in T5 should be dominating most matches and rocketing up in PSR. Despite obvious tier-mixing and overflow in recent weeks (months?), typical T1 matches do not look like typical T5 matches. The difference in average skill level is huge, and an experienced, good player would clean house the majority of the time.

I've seen players with consistently wonderful scores at lower tiers bumping their PSR rating by sizes of 1-2 pixels. There's something wrong when that happens, because at that point they ARE seal clubbing, but they can't get out without using a new account that won't have the giant anchor of their several thousand matches holding them back.

#11 Nauht

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Posted 27 August 2016 - 02:38 PM

Tiers do kind of work. AS been noted here already - it's a mixture of wins and how many games you play... and isn't that exactly what a veteran of anything shows? Sure you don't lose PSR at the same rate as for a win, making it easier to rank up but that's a game design choice I think. No-one like constantly de-leveling when playing a game. But the loss is still there.

My only issue is that they should have had a unit PSR and a solo PSR. Lots of people were carried to higher ranks purely by their unit.. then they try the yolo queue and just can't cut it.

And I find it ironic that people who claim they "don't care about their PSR" always have it hidden.

#12 Tsar Bomba

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Posted 27 August 2016 - 03:06 PM

Voluntarily resetting tier? Great idea.

Mandatory? **** storm.

#13 Alistair Winter

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Posted 27 August 2016 - 03:08 PM

People act like replacing the matchmaker will suddenly transform the queues and result in matches with thousands of polite, skilled, cooperative players who have all read Sun Tzu and fought years in Iraq against Saddam's Republican Guard omnimechs.

The fact of the matter is that we only have 50,000 or so people playing the game. Only a tiny minority play regularly. Of those, only a tiny minority are good, experienced players with good teamwork. That number won't change, no matter how your matchmaker works.

No matter how you shuffle a deck of cards, it's only going to have four aces, bro.

#14 Monkey Lover

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Posted 27 August 2016 - 03:13 PM

View PostTsar Bomba, on 27 August 2016 - 03:06 PM, said:

Voluntarily resetting tier? Great idea.

Mandatory? **** storm.


Voluntary resetting? Lol that day would go down as one of the largest seal clubbing ever hha
It would be like week one of clan wave 1. Oh the unnerfed dire was like fighting the children hehe

Edited by Monkey Lover, 27 August 2016 - 03:16 PM.


#15 smokytehbear

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Posted 27 August 2016 - 03:13 PM

View PostAlistair Winter, on 27 August 2016 - 03:08 PM, said:

People act like replacing the matchmaker will suddenly transform the queues and result in matches with thousands of polite, skilled, cooperative players who have all read Sun Tzu and fought years in Iraq against Saddam's Republican Guard omnimechs.

The fact of the matter is that we only have 50,000 or so people playing the game. Only a tiny minority play regularly. Of those, only a tiny minority are good, experienced players with good teamwork. That number won't change, no matter how your matchmaker works.

No matter how you shuffle a deck of cards, it's only going to have four aces, bro.


Might be a bit off topic, but can I ask where you got the number 50,000?

I've been looking for some playerbase statistics for a while now and apart from Steam charts and stuff haven't found much that's reliable.

#16 Lily from animove

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Posted 27 August 2016 - 03:15 PM

NO; resetting does nothing it will push a lot very good people back to low tiers for a long time when those players do not play much.
they need to rework when a player gets an up and a down and make ups and downs quicker. so that people are judged more harshly yet not requiring hudreds of games for good players to reach T1.

#17 Cyborne Elemental

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Posted 27 August 2016 - 03:16 PM

yes, please.

I've been wanting a reset for a long time.

#18 MattNovaCat

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Posted 27 August 2016 - 03:18 PM

No, the existing psr should stand.

#19 Alistair Winter

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Posted 27 August 2016 - 03:23 PM

View Postsmokytehbear, on 27 August 2016 - 03:13 PM, said:


Might be a bit off topic, but can I ask where you got the number 50,000?

I've been looking for some playerbase statistics for a while now and apart from Steam charts and stuff haven't found much that's reliable.

It's roughly the number of people who have been counted in the QP leaderboards.

#20 Ghostrider0067

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Posted 27 August 2016 - 03:32 PM

Meh. I'm fine either way.





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