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[ZealotTheFallen]

It is dead, no new content. Oh buy a mech, that will do it. 3 months ago FRR hub had 3 full 12 man teams running. 2 full units other a mix but we could take planets. Now no 12 man units, but 1 mix team of IS and clan all looking for a 12 man to drop into fw. Everyone is blinded by new mechs, and don't see the playing arena is getting smaller and smaller, for FW.
I don't see it, but Fw is sure not part of( keep game going to keep players interested) Fw is a ghost town that is not coming back IMO. And no one can say what i see in all the teamspeak hubs is wrong. All teamspeak hubs that were part of this game, are 90% empty. I look everyday and it is sad. You white knights being paid by MWO to hang to a dream that is turning into a nightmare by the day. From programming that messes with our computers, to being disconnected everyday. In 12 years I played in Dark Age of Camelot, I cannot remember having to relog everyday at anytime because of the games features.
I am saying this, because Pgi does not care. IF THEY did CARE things would be fixed. They are just raking in the money till crap hits the fan. Last time it did, thousands of people left, see what we got now. More people are fed up, and all the digital products sold here will be for naught.

[MechaBattler]

Faction warfare is just too repetitive to retain a decent playerbase for it. They don't want to admit that. They want to keep dreaming that opening gates and shooting at generators is a "fun" feature. Instead they're going to consolidate the number of "buckets" that players can funnel into. Which is nothing more than a band-aid.

They need a change in perspective. Seriously, they need to hire someone new with experience. Who can reshape FW to something more interesting.

Personally they should do away with the notion of taking planets. Instead turn it into a career mode. With a variety of mission specific game modes. Units can earn the right to go to the periphery and fight to become their own mini faction and fight for any planet in proximity. That's just me though..

[TyphonCh]

Designed by the lowest bidder. Minimally viable. Etc etc

[Aiden Skye]

FW is nothing but premades stomping pugs. Most people don't wanna deal with that, other than the premades getting easy games. After hitting ghost bear rank 20 and wolf 17, I've had enough of facing cocky premades that think they are hot stuff cuz they can club a bunch of seals. Have only played 2-3 faction games since...and again they ended up being against premades.

If I get disconnected from MWO, It's my ****** ISP 99% of the time. Never had this game crash across 4 PC's, so sounds like a personal problem.

[Alistair Winter]

Forget magazines! What are people saying via the telegraph? What does the town crier say? What's the latest news on the radio?

The internet has ruined most kinds of journalism, and gaming reviews are right on the top of the list. I don't care about magazines anymore.

Edited by Alistair Winter, 27 August 2016 - 09:27 AM.

[El Bandito]

I used to like FW... until Long Tom came into play. Now I am lurming my way through mounds of dead solo-q puggers, and the experience is better. 5W is bae.

[Idealsuspect]

W A R K H A N, on 27 August 2016 - 09:18 AM, said:

FW is nothing but premades stomping pugs. Most people don't wanna deal with that, other than the premades getting easy games.

Yep some peoples who like FW before did say this since FW was in beta 1 well 3 years ago...

No changes since this so now FW playerbase is smaller and smaller, no more steam release for get news pugs, LT still there ok now you arent one shoot insta dead, now you are one shoot insta red cored everywhere ok PGI

But don't worry PGI will release one new basic map with 2 bigs gates and do some FW events for make FW alive 2 weeks till end of years
Pugs will rush under uavs and be stomped by bads pilots playing togethers ( good units have left this useless waiting mode for most of them )


Without mechbay, MC release or MC spoil of war even FW fanatics won't play this...

Did players play FW cose it is fun or so unique ( in tha world )? :=)
No they play coze it's so easy to farm and feel strong ( for people who play in large premades ) , for get level 6 mechbay then left FW forever ( for most of pugs ), get level 10 MC reward ( for crazy pugs ) or farm MC spoil of war ( for top tier small groups of players ).

Me i had lots of fun by doing some 10 - 20 kills per matchs even rest of my noobs teams were farmed but now playerbase is so tiny, end of match is know before it started also no more challenge.

And now farm mechbay or MC ranks is broken coze of LP loose when break contract, weapons balance is more and more broken specially when you got pugs team ( they don't use specific advantage of each side clan or IS also they are in victim dynamics during matchs )
Also bye bye FW.

[Johnny Z]

I like FW a lot but since reaching top rank I await some serious updates or events with MC or nice rewards.

As it is I play a few quick play matches stockpiling creds in the hopes dropships or jumpships or something are added. Quite fun to.

Edited by Johnny Z, 27 August 2016 - 09:46 AM.

[Yosharian]

B-b-b-but energy draw!

B-b-b-but 'improved' minimap!

[Voq]

I find it fun to play this game.
I login and enjoy it.

But I have to admit morale is pretty low, and the match maker is taking longer and longer to get me a game...
I'm starting to look around for something else to spend my cash on.

I always hoped for FP to be immersive and interesting, but it's clearly not going anywhere.

I like the Battletech universe. I really don't want this game to sink. But it's just so shallow. And they're giving no indication it's going anywhere bigger or better.

No media will cover this cause there's nothing to say really. There's no story to tell.
Stompy robots are fun. But there's no substance.

[Sable]

Event bruh, everyone's doing the event. Maybe learn to post your whine thread at the right time.

[Spleenslitta]

ZealotTheFallen, on 27 August 2016 - 08:37 AM, said:

I am saying this, because Pgi does not care. IF THEY did CARE things would be fixed. They are just raking in the money till crap hits the fan. Last time it did, thousands of people left, see what we got now. More people are fed up, and all the digital products sold here will be for naught.

Correct and i agree with Mechabattler regarding hiring someone more talented and FW being crap.
Speaking of crap hitting the fan - Remember the ruckus when Ghost Heat got into the game?


That ruckus is about to happen again when Energy Draw arrives. MWO might not last 6 months after that happens.
All my mechs will all be for nought. I did meet some new friends though.
MWO could have been incredible but Russ settled for mediocrity and grabbing as much money as possible for the least amount of expenditure in the fastest possible way.
If my predictions about ED is correct guess i will just have to do what i've been doing since 2011 and before that even.

Anyhow. Point i'm going to make is that PGI will never be loved much by it's community and Russ has no ambitions beyond making as much money as fast as he possibly can.

I know what i'm going to say next is not about MWO but i've stopped giving a damn.
Ban me if you want because i simply don't care anymore.
I'll tell you guys a story about a different game community and it's game developers.
A community and a developer team that actually cared about each others wellbeing.
For the sake of not having a huge textwall and lot's of pictures i'll add a spoilerbutton to hide the story in.

Spoiler

I have waited for Force of Arms faithfully done since 2011. I know will probably never play that game because it will probably never be made.
Why would i wait so long for a game whose developers i haven't heard from in over 5 years?

The fans of Force of Arms loved the developers for their honesty, hard work, vision, ambition and ability to actually communicate with the community.
Wardog Studios gave a damn about their community and our opinions while PGI don't.

The proff that FoA's community cared about Wardog Studios developers lies in a crisis that happend.
Wardog Studios is an indie team and they had other jobs so they made Force of Arms during their free time.
So the entire community was sweating bricks in genuine worry when their lead developer went to the middle east as a soldier.
I think he went to Libya or something since that was in 2011.
When he got back safe and healthy the entire community let out a relieved breath.

That's were the touching story about the community and developer team that actually cared about each other ends.
And where the story continues on about how a game developer can communicate with it's community and actually involve them in the creation of the game.

Force of Arms was a mech MMORPG with promise despite being an indie game with a limited budget.
It was supposed to have both PvE and PvP content.
It had this amazing mech lab we could play in.
Granted it was only a PDF file but the stuff they had planned was truly aweinspiring.

You could construct your mechs specifics from the ground up in that mech construction PDF file.
Those developers had ambition in abundance and the open minds to listen to advice from their friendly community.

Missiles had so many customisation options.
- Different ranges for your missiles. Mini, short, medium, intermediate, long and some reaaally long range missiles.
- Mini missiles for anti missile and anti infantry work.
- 3 Different warhead sizes and many types. HEAT, HEAP, HESH, HE, Plasma, acid. Those are just what i remember.
- Different guidance systems. Wireguided, Heatseekers, radar guided, dumbfire, smart missiles.
- Different launcher types and how many missiles you wanted in each salvo.

Other weapons had similar options.
- Different calibers, ammo types, short or long barrel, rapidfire, gatling. So many options.
- Melee weapons of different types. Clubs, swords, axes, spiked hands, drills. Electrified batons.
- Lasers had different lences and other stuff.
And that was just the weapons.

The mech had even more stuff to modify.
- You could change out the legs. Chicken walker, man walker and quad legs.
- Go for a hull rather than a torso to gain more armor and space inside in exchange for very limited twisting capabilities.
- Change the hydraulics in the legs.
- Get an internal combustion engine instead of a reactor.
- Different armor types.
- Did you want elbows on your mech or go allout on firepower by having Jager style arms.
- Long gorilla arms, normal arms, stubby arms that were just nubs or even no arms. Replace arms with big guns.
- Fists for melee combat or salvagework or maybe jack of all trades hands.
- Make the cockpit watertight so you could sneak through a swamp and ambush mechs on drier land.
- Missile counter measures of different types.


There were plans for a map that was huge and all on one server just like EVE Online. Swamps, mountains, deserts, forests.
4 factions.
Senka - Japanese high tech guys. The guys in the picture above. They had an incredible looking land air type mech.
Lukron - Boxy mechs with lot's of firepower.
ZekCom - High tech with lot's of electronical warfare stuff.
Genoma - Organic mechs. Yeah...hard to get your head around that one.

Unfortunatly the dev's dissappeared not long after they took down the mech construction PDF file saying they would rework it.
The dev's encouraged players to make mech models for the game and we did that.
One guy was so talented at making mechs he was hired on the spot.

Another guy made a childlike drawing of a mech with no arms, a dozen missiles in simple tubes and an under the nose turret.
That childlike drawing inspired a proffesional and became an actual mech in the game and a part of the FoA logo on the homepage.
You don't see PGI giving any player that much credit.

The place that was supposed to contain the pictures on the FoA forums probably had the pics removed so no one would take Wardog studios stuff.
Oh well...i can't blame them. Those mechs looked really good.

Juodas Varnas's fantasies of a quad mech could be made true in that game.
I made a small 30 tonn asymmetrical quad mech in Blender that i called the Flat Crab QDMA-30.
All these things i mention next was possible to put on a mech when you looked through the mech construction PDF.

It had a big turret with 4 mortars (later changed that to 2 mortars) and 2 intermediate range missiles.
I never got around to learning about textures so i used colors to make different parts stand apart.

It had these tiny arms meant for salvage work, keeping away infantry and provide some light backup weapons.
Even the hands were asymmetrical. One hand had 3 fingers and the other 5.
Both arms had small cannons and armor bafflers. Right arm had 3 small machineguns and the other had a flamethrower.



A small turret with dual 20mm autocannons and a revolving missile launcher for dealing with infantry and incoming missiles.
Yup. You could use rapidfire lasers, machineguns and mini missiles to shoot down enemy missiles as well as use them as weapons.
Smokelaunchers next to the cockpit and 2 spotlights for doing salvagework at night.


So what if my Flat Crab QDMA-30 looks crappy with no textures? I spent months learning about Blender and i loved every minute i spent making my Flat Crab.
Me and a buddy gave each other advice on mech creation all the time.
He probably laughed himself hoarse when he saw the first horrible version of my Flat Crab.
I had the ambition to make it look good enough so that a developer would take pity on me and take it to a proffesional for a total makeover.

I made a really overly complex plasma cannon too among a few other weapons. It had cooling fans, vents and other doohikeys all over.
I even put some cooling pumps inspired by over 40 year old waterpumps on the underside.



Then there were the official mechs. The ones made by real pros.
In the video below ignore everything and look at 0:19 and 2:05
Think the Atlas and Dire Wolf are huge mechs? Wait till you see the mech in 0:19 in this video.


Now....i'd say any game developer studio making such a huge mech has nuts of solid granite.
That's a walking battleship with a helicopter landing pad on the back.


Unfortunatly nobody has heard much from the developers since 2012 when they announced they would make a Fantasy MMO to gather money to make Force of Arms.
They said it was easier to gather revenue since fantasy MMORPG's are mainstream.

If you skipped my story i cannot blame you...big textwall. The video in lower part of the textwall has two really cool moments at 0:19 and 2:05.
Point is that it is possible for a community and a developer team to communicate and actually give a damn about each others wellbeing.
When i grow grey and wrinkly i'll remember Force of Arms as the community where i had the most fun of all the game forums i've ever been in.
End of story.

Edited by Spleenslitta, 27 August 2016 - 01:21 PM.

[Coolant]

Your post OP is perfect examples of Kettle Logic (using multiple, jointly inconsistent arguments to defend a position). In addition:

ZealotTheFallen, on 27 August 2016 - 08:37 AM, said:

It is dead...

Circular reasoning. You start with the what is your conclusion when you haven't provided solid evidence at all.

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You white knights being paid by MWO to hang to a dream that is turning into a nightmare by the day.

Inverse of Moral High Ground fallacy. You are assuming that anyone that supports PGI has a "holier-than-thou" attitude in an attempt to make them look ridiculous in order to win an argument.

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From programming that messes with our computers

Regression Fallacy - ascribes cause (PGI) where none exists. You have not proven or even provided evidence that MWO "messes with our computers".

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to being disconnected everyday.

causal oversimplification - assuming that there is one explanation (PGI's software) when in reality there may be a number of other causes for your disconnection.

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In 12 years I played in Dark Age of Camelot, I cannot remember having to relog everyday at anytime because of the games features.

Single authority – using yourself and only yourself as an expert of unknown credentials or using only your opinion to sell your idea.

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...because Pgi does not care. If they did care then things would be fixed.

causal oversimplification -assuming that there is one explanation when in reality "things not fixed" may have a number of other causes, not that PGI doesn't care.

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They are just raking in the money till crap hits the fan. Last time it did, thousands of people left, see what we got now. More people are fed up, and all the digital products sold here will be for naught.

Hasty generalizations - informal fallacy of faulty generalization by reaching an inductive generalization based on insufficient evidence, or essentially making a hasty conclusion without considering all of the variables.

Edited by Coolant, 27 August 2016 - 01:33 PM.

[C E Dwyer]

ZealotTheFallen, on 27 August 2016 - 08:37 AM, said:

It is dead, no new content. Oh buy a mech, that will do it. 3 months ago FRR hub had 3 full 12 man teams running. 2 full units other a mix but we could take planets. Now no 12 man units, but 1 mix team of IS and clan all looking for a 12 man to drop into fw. Everyone is blinded by new mechs, and don't see the playing arena is getting smaller and smaller, for FW.
I don't see it, but Fw is sure not part of( keep game going to keep players interested) Fw is a ghost town that is not coming back IMO. And no one can say what i see in all the teamspeak hubs is wrong. All teamspeak hubs that were part of this game, are 90% empty. I look everyday and it is sad. You white knights being paid by MWO to hang to a dream that is turning into a nightmare by the day. From programming that messes with our computers, to being disconnected everyday. In 12 years I played in Dark Age of Camelot, I cannot remember having to relog everyday at anytime because of the games features.
I am saying this, because Pgi does not care. IF THEY did CARE things would be fixed. They are just raking in the money till crap hits the fan. Last time it did, thousands of people left, see what we got now. More people are fed up, and all the digital products sold here will be for naught.

what happens when you run a e-comp event, and FW with a semi active population

[BLOOD WOLF]

Thanks Coolent for pointing that out, I swear these threads pop out of the woodwork. Zealot especially makes it a goal to trumpet these threads every so often.

[Fart Huffer]

This game is the robo version of War Thunder, but with less content.

[DaZur]

Who read magazines anymore?

Seriously, show me any game, single release or FP that was released to public over 2 years ago that gets any notable press...

You jackhats and your butthurt are so flipping obvious it pathetic...

[smokytehbear]

Coolant, on 27 August 2016 - 01:30 PM, said:

[A bunch of logical fallacy comments and stuff.]

Have you heard about the fallacy argumentum ad logicam? Where someone just pulls out all the logical fallacies in someone's argument without mentioning the actual content at all, and then assumes it proves them wrong?

Might want to look that one up. Circular reasoning, single authority, whatever dude, you didn't address the overall point at all: the game sucks. People are leaving because they're starting to figure this out, and it's going to be a positive feedback thing, since a lot of complaints have to do with matchmakers, pre-mades stomping pugs, and long queues already and these will only get worse as population drops. Might give you some more time to read wikipedia articles on logical fallacies though to make you a "better" debater, so I guess there's that upside. (Not ad hominem, by the way, before you try and call it that, because I'm not using it to support my point.)

[Lily from animove]

well objectively its still more entertaining than CS because CS gets les updates and has less gamelay diversity.

mechs are still just a niche genre, and thats why.

FW won't work, because people are just distributed too uneven between the factions. and since PGI decided people will have the freedom to switch factions, there will never be faction locked players and epople go where something happens over equally and properly distributing. Further Qucikplay is still better payout/time than FW.

[Mazzyplz]

whoever decided chokepoints and gates were the focus of FW really messed up.

my guess is they saw a moba and thought YEA this is popular with the kiddies rite!?!

RITE?!?!?!?!?!