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[ImperialKnight]

the variants themselves also conferred LP bonus.

actually, there IS a pretty good chance of seeing the BLG-1G(P) mech on the battlefield. as long as PGI doesn't unquirk the BLR.

I bring mine out once in a while for fun, and I have seen others

[Bregor Edain]

Juodas Varnas, on 29 August 2016 - 05:29 AM, said:

Do they? I thought that it was the Phoenix Loyalty medallion cockpit item that gave the Loyalty point bonus.

They do.

[NeoCodex]

I know some like it and do very well with BLR which is even considered a T1 meta mech but I just can't work with the narrow 60° torso twist on the Phoenix (1G), it's feels just like piloting a DWF. Hence you won't see me using it. For some reason it feels even more restricting and clunky than on for example STK-M, which has the same torso twist range. I can't explain why but it feels like it should have been wider like on other BLR, which feel fine and as it should be (again, PGI gimping the cbill generating variant).

Edited by NeoCodex, 29 August 2016 - 05:55 AM.

[Intrepid]

Appogee, on 29 August 2016 - 02:59 AM, said:

It would have been additional revenue to PGI at no additional cost.

The lawsuit on the other hand...

[TLBFestus]

NeoCodex, on 29 August 2016 - 04:19 AM, said:

No. We bought those in promise of CW being released by the end of that year but what we got was another mech pack preorder (the 240$ Clan pack) and the promised Phoenix medallions that did not even do what was promised to do, were delievered too late, and... as ussually PGI had to quickly come up with some half arsed idea what the medalions will actually do to shut us up, so they gave some random amount of XP when CW finally entered the game (but it was "supposed to" around the Phoenix release), and... Bah.

Every time that I am reminded of the Phoenix project and that sad year coinciding with it I make a small vomit inside my mouth. Do not remind me about it. It's why I voted against it. It is our cross to bear, just as the founders pack, we will keep what little exclusivity the Phoenix mechs still get.

Not to mention this:


Yet another lie.

They STILL didn't get that pattern out for you guys? WOW.....just wow.

I was going to say that the PP was available for a limited time only and if PGI were to release them they would be breaking the contract with the purchasers. That could, if one were stubborn enough and acted on principle, could be grounds for demanding a refund for the purchase. Note I didn't say it would be easy, you'd probably have to get a lawyer or gov't agency involved.

That said, that pattern is along the same lines, but I guess no one ever really pushed for it.

[MrEdweird]

TLBFestus, on 29 August 2016 - 07:26 AM, said:

They STILL didn't get that pattern out for you guys? WOW.....just wow.

I was going to say that the PP was available for a limited time only and if PGI were to release them they would be breaking the contract with the purchasers. That could, if one were stubborn enough and acted on principle, could be grounds for demanding a refund for the purchase. Note I didn't say it would be easy, you'd probably have to get a lawyer or gov't agency involved.

That said, that pattern is along the same lines, but I guess no one ever really pushed for it.

Nah, he meant that nobody else should have gotten it. Phoenix owners got tthe pattern unlock as was promised.

And what's this about Phoenix mechs being useless? The Battlemaster is literally on top of the metamechs tier list for assaults, Shadowhawk is one of the best mechs for CW Scouting, Thunderbolt has ALWAYS been fun and great, Wolverine is a bit sucky, yeah, but Griffins are awesome for brawling and Locusts are just ridiculously fun all around.

Edited by MrEdweird, 29 August 2016 - 07:36 AM.

[TercieI]

MrEdweird, on 29 August 2016 - 07:36 AM, said:

Nah, he meant that nobody else should have gotten it. Phoenix owners got tthe pattern unlock as was promised.

And what's this about Phoenix mechs being useless? The Battlemaster is literally on top of the metamechs tier list for assaults, Shadowhawk is one of the best mechs for CW Scouting, Thunderbolt has ALWAYS been fun and great, Wolverine is a bit sucky, yeah, but Griffins are awesome for brawling and Locusts are just ridiculously fun all around.

Well, it's a question of particular variants, actually. The BLR-1G is great, the LCT-1V is ok, but weakened, the SHD-2H is a mid-grade SHD (though might thrive in ED, it used to be a great PPFLD mech), the GRF-1N is likely the worst GRF, the WVR-6R was only ok when insanely quirked and the TDR-5S is the one TDR that's never been anything but mediocre (literally all the others have been top meta mechs at one point or another).

[dervishx5]

Too bad you guys missed out of the executive Valhalla Club purchase offered to everyone at the Beta and Steam Launch parties. Here we have access to all the new mechs before they come out, and even forbidden stuff like quads.

But since you were too cheap/busy to fly out to San Francisco/Vancouver, you will forever miss out.

:Sips coolant out of a Flea's cockpit:

Edited by dervishx5, 29 August 2016 - 07:46 AM.

[MrEdweird]

dervishx5, on 29 August 2016 - 07:45 AM, said:

Too bad you guys missed out of the executive Valhalla Club purchase offered to everyone at the Beta and Steam Launch parties. Here we have access to all the new mechs before they come out, and even forbidden stuff like quads.

But since you were too cheap/busy to fly out to San Francisco/Vancouver, you will forever miss out.

:Sips coolant out of a Flea's cockpit:

This was a missed opportunity.

Edited by MrEdweird, 29 August 2016 - 07:51 AM.

[Juodas Varnas]

dervishx5, on 29 August 2016 - 07:45 AM, said:

Too bad you guys missed out of the executive Valhalla Club purchase offered to everyone at the Beta and Steam Launch parties. Here we have access to all the new mechs before they come out, and even forbidden stuff like quads.

But since you were too cheap/busy to fly out to San Francisco/Vancouver, you will forever miss out.

:Sips coolant out of a Flea's cockpit:

I'm not sure it's healthy to drink coolant fluid.

Might be the reason for your hallucinations

[MrEdweird]

Juodas Varnas, on 29 August 2016 - 07:53 AM, said:

I'm not sure it's healthy to drink coolant fluid.

Might be the reason for your hallucinations

Sarna quote for double-strenght HS ...
"Relying on corrosive liquid metal coolants instead of advanced radiators for efficiency..."

Basically, instant weight loss. Half of you will be gone or well-cooked by the time you can finish saying "This tastes like peaches."

Edited by MrEdweird, 29 August 2016 - 07:59 AM.

[dervishx5]

MrEdweird, on 29 August 2016 - 07:56 AM, said:

Sarna quote for double-strenght HS ...
"Relying on corrosive liquid metal coolants instead of advanced radiators for efficiency..."

Basically, instant weight loss. Half of you will be gone or well-cooked by the time you can finish saying "This tastes like peaches."

I was going to be neurotic and correct you about those being the experimental models used by the Fedsuns in that "Super" experiment before actual double heat sinks were rediscovered, but I decided to passive aggressively mention it in an explanation about not wanting to explain it instead.

[MrEdweird]

dervishx5, on 29 August 2016 - 08:05 AM, said:

I was going to be neurotic and correct you about those being the experimental models used by the Fedsuns in that "Super" experiment before actual double heat sinks were rediscovered, but I decided to passive aggressively mention it in an explanation about not wanting to explain it instead.

Yes, but!
This is why I specifically said double-strenght ... not just double. Well attempted passive aggresiveness, though!

Bloody hell, this 1.4/1.5 thing...it's almost as if PGI thought someone would actually use single HS. It even said in the lore that in a few years practically all mechs used DHS, because their shortcomings were alright in comparison...but here we are with a 25%, at least, less effective heat sink. Then again MWO does have double the armor and structure IIRC.

[dervishx5]

It comes down to them trying to balance an inherently imbalanced system. They tried to compromise between battletech and mechwarrior. Nobody is happy because of it.

To solve this problem you either: 1) Accept that Battletech is imbalanced tech-wise and plan your game around that or 2) Take the MW4 path and make things simple with stuff like only 1 type of heatsink, engines, etc.

[DAYLEET]

MrEdweird, on 29 August 2016 - 07:36 AM, said:

And what's this about Phoenix mechs being useless? The Battlemaster is literally on top of the metamechs tier list for assaults, Shadowhawk is one of the best mechs for CW Scouting, Thunderbolt has ALWAYS been fun and great, Wolverine is a bit sucky, yeah, but Griffins are awesome for brawling and Locusts are just ridiculously fun all around.

CW is different than QP though, great quickplay meta mech like brawler srms dont do as good in CW. I tried this Phoenix LP deck 4 or 5 months ago(it's at the bottom). You need a good team with good mech to make up for your srm brawler that are less than spectacular outside of that small window where a push has happened, is now damage and now at disadvantage then youll take a back seat again. You rely on your teammate to do most of the job while you wait and since i played solo queue cw you can guess how well that went. Unless you play with a group who can make plans you wont do near as good as the other meta deck.

I did love the dual ac5 SHD because of the hardpoint placement, Mr snipey snipe snipe can put the damage where he want with a super low profile at a fast rate.

Edited by DAYLEET, 29 August 2016 - 08:51 AM.

[Mycrus]

Alistair Winter, on 29 August 2016 - 12:19 AM, said:

It's a (P) variant mech from the second mech pack in MWO, with Locust, Shadowhawk, Thunderbolt, Battlemaster, Griffin and Wolverine.

No longer for sale, because the majority of the community voted against it, for whatever reason.

Reasonz like keeping your business commitments..

[Deathlike]

TLBFestus, on 29 August 2016 - 07:26 AM, said:

They STILL didn't get that pattern out for you guys? WOW.....just wow.

I was going to say that the PP was available for a limited time only and if PGI were to release them they would be breaking the contract with the purchasers. That could, if one were stubborn enough and acted on principle, could be grounds for demanding a refund for the purchase. Note I didn't say it would be easy, you'd probably have to get a lawyer or gov't agency involved.

That said, that pattern is along the same lines, but I guess no one ever really pushed for it.

That pattern formerly known as "Flame" is actually the Hotrod camo that every mech (AFAIK) has access to (at least at the time of release).


I voted against having it available for resale... mostly on principle. If you're making it a limited time offer, you need to honestly keep it that way.

On the other hand, I wouldn't be surprised if it was being sold again... because there's no principle that PGI wouldn't break if they wanted more people to buy another mechpack (existing customers be damned).

The biggest shame is that the loyalty medallions... despite having a 5% booster is really 1.25% each because you need 4 of them equipped on the mechs in the dropdeck. This is true for the Clan loyalty medallions as well. If you're a Merc, you get nothing (not that it matters in the Paulconomy). Loyalty mechs are actually only worth a 2.5% LP boost per mech (totaling 10%).

Edited by Deathlike, 29 August 2016 - 12:41 PM.

[Derring-Do]

Sorry to drag this up. I am not trying to relive MWO business practices or the Phoenix package buying experience.

Expanding on the intent of the original post, regarding the Phoenix Down badge. A Phoenix mech is a mech with a (P) after its name, correct?

But what is a "non-Phoenix" mech?
A LCT-1V, SHD-2H, GRF-1N, WVR-6R, TDR-5S, and BLR-1G without the (P)?
Is it any other LCT, SHD, GRF, WVR, TDR, or BLR chassis?
Or is it just any mech without a (P)?

[Deathlike]

Phoenix variants are the ones with the (P) in the mech variant name.

[Angel of Annihilation]

Appogee, on 29 August 2016 - 02:59 AM, said:

I'm a Phoenix owner and I voted to let other people buy them. I was surprised and disappointed that the majority voted against the idea. It would have been additional revenue to PGI at no additional cost.

Feel the same way. I mean if the chassis were ONLY accessible if you bought the pack I could maybe see an issue but every one of the Phoenix Mech variants can be bought for C-bills so really there is nothing what-so-ever exclusive about them. They don't even have a cool paint job and I if I recall correct, you can't even give them a camo pattern.

So yeah, voting against allowing PGI to sell the bundle just seems stupid, especially since the very life of this game depends on PGI being able to generate revenue. It is just really counter productive to insure people can't spend money on something they would buy over something as silly as exclusivity that doesn't even really exist.