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[Kargush]

Kyrie, on 07 September 2016 - 07:38 PM, said:

The thing is that... we want to give them our money. We really do. We just need them to build the game better... to be what we wanted. Your sarcasm is misplaced to be honest. The amount of work the community has put in offering logical and viable suggestions over a 4-year period is simply staggering. Countless well reasoned threads with actionable ideas. Even complete with math, graphs, etc.

4 years of PGI "not listening." 4 years of Russ running the show. 4 years of good ideas (and bad ideas, let's be honest) being ignored.

At what point are people going to realise that they're not being heard? Or at least not being heard to the extent that would like to?

But that wasn't the point of my post, however. The point was to point out that every time there is something happening, be it an event or a new mech or a town hall or what have you, suddenly everyone becomes an expert. They know how PGI should make money, how they shouldn't make money, how they should design their mechs, how they shouldn't design their mechs, what needs to be added, what must never be added, etc etc etc. If their ideas are so good, and why aren't they being listened to? Why haven't they banded together to kickstart their own idea? Why are they sitting here forum warring instead of actually contacting the devs in the few ways they seem to respond?

RestosIII, on 07 September 2016 - 07:41 PM, said:

Hell, he'd probably crash what salt market there is if he knew how to extract it from the internet. Salt would become so cheap he'd have to pay people to get rid of it for him.

Ah, that's right. I hadn't considered that angle. Cheers!

[Kyrie]

Kargush, on 07 September 2016 - 07:44 PM, said:

4 years of PGI "not listening." 4 years of Russ running the show. 4 years of good ideas (and bad ideas, let's be honest) being ignored.

At what point are people going to realise that they're not being heard? Or at least not being heard to the extent that would like to?

But that wasn't the point of my post, however. The point was to point out that every time there is something happening, be it an event or a new mech or a town hall or what have you, suddenly everyone becomes an expert. They know how PGI should make money, how they shouldn't make money, how they should design their mechs, how they shouldn't design their mechs, what needs to be added, what must never be added, etc etc etc. If their ideas are so good, and why aren't they being listened to? Why haven't they banded together to kickstart their own idea? Why are they sitting here forum warring instead of actually contacting the devs in the few ways they seem to respond?


Ah, that's right. I hadn't considered that angle. Cheers!

This is a rabid fan base. We will not give up on demanding that PGI do better, simply because we love the franchise its based on. It was PGI's choice to go after the MW//BT IP and make a videogame out of it, and then raise millions from rabid fans.

It is no coincidence that HBS managed to tap into that same rabid desire to make a BT based game.

We hang around like Ghost of Christmas Past, posting on these forums, because we love this game.

[Kargush]

Kyrie, on 07 September 2016 - 07:49 PM, said:

This is a rabid fan base. We will not give up on demanding that PGI do better, simply because we love the franchise its based on. It was PGI's choice to go after the MW//BT IP and make a videogame out of it, and then raise millions from rabid fans.

It is no coincidence that HBS managed to tap into that same rabid desire to make a BT based game.

We hang around like Ghost of Christmas Past, posting on these forums, because we love this game.

But do you play, spend money, and nag at the developers (respectfully, as much as is possible) on twitter?

If not, odds are they're not really interesting in hearing it, and if you don't play the game you're like the bitter old cynic who doesn't vote and then complains about who is president/king/emperor/grand high poombah of the shire.

EDIT: Did PGI mess up? Yes, big time. Hilariously so. But it's no worse than some others I could mention (and have), and for the time being, it's the only game in town. Sure, HBS are coming with a BT game, but it isn't MW. And the old titles aren't going to be ressurected, so there is litle point in trying to get PGI to remake them.

Edited by Kargush, 07 September 2016 - 07:52 PM.

[Pjwned]

Cabusha, on 07 September 2016 - 09:25 AM, said:

If this game were serious about an actual content expansion, they would have done another little kick-started to make it happen. Eg Solaris mode, single player, coop vs bots, whatever. They could put it out there as a paid expansion that if enough buy in will be implemented for all. Some minor bonuses for the people that bought.

But they won't because then they would owe that content to us, the consumer. So instead they pump out mech packs.

Who would buy into that with PGI's atrocious history of incompetence, laziness, and lies? If I knew such a kickstarter campaign would generate an explosive amount of new content and fixes and I knew it would actually happen, as well as the kickstarter rewards not being way too expensive, then I would maybe consider buying into it possibly, but as it stands PGI has done nothing but show why I shouldn't pay them jack **** ever.

[lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol]

If you're good at something, never do it for free.

Mechs cost money, the game is free. QED

[Kyrie]

Kargush, on 07 September 2016 - 07:51 PM, said:

But do you play, spend money, and nag at the developers (respectfully, as much as is possible) on twitter?

If not, odds are they're not really interesting in hearing it, and if you don't play the game you're like the bitter old cynic who doesn't vote and then complains about who is president/king/emperor/grand high poombah of the shire.

EDIT: Did PGI mess up? Yes, big time. Hilariously so. But it's no worse than some others I could mention (and have), and for the time being, it's the only game in town. Sure, HBS are coming with a BT game, but it isn't MW. And the old titles aren't going to be ressurected, so there is litle point in trying to get PGI to remake them.

I have been playing recently, I have spent and I continue to spend money. I picked up the Kodiak with hero pack to enjoy its game-breaking dakka while it lasts. :-) I am, unfortunately, a single-issue customer. All I really cared about was CW.
I don't twitter, though. To be honest, I've more or less given up hope on getting the CW game I really want, for a few reasons:
-IMHO, The community that plays the game has drifted away from wanting the hardcore lore based deep strategy game the founders [may] have wanted back in 2012.
-Trying to sell PGI on implementing something along the lines of whats documented in my signature thread-link through twitter would be difficult at best

I recognize the population shift that has happened in the past 3 years. I honestly am not sure what the community that really plays this game would want for a CW mode. I suspect that a fairly simple easy to get into mode is what would be viable given the shifts that have occurred.

The other issues I actually don't care at all about: E-D, ghost heat, graphics, skill tree, infowar, whatever; it just doesn't register as an issue for me. The only reason I got involved with MWO was the hope for a deep mil-RPG with strategy and economics; an actual implementation of Houses from BattleTech as opposed so "mwomercs.com".

Intellectually I accept the fact that its a lost cause. But I can't help posting on the forums regardless.

[Kargush]

I think less "lost cause" and more "pulling teeth with tweezers." Hard going, but time and determination might yield results. Just not pretty results.

And yes, shame about FW. I was stoked for that. And then I noped out.

[Kyrie]

Kargush, on 07 September 2016 - 08:07 PM, said:

I think less "lost cause" and more "pulling teeth with tweezers." Hard going, but time and determination might yield results. Just not pretty results.

And yes, shame about FW. I was stoked for that. And then I noped out.

It would probably take something along the lines of a huge social networking campaign to get PGI to do it. The kind of effort that is usually spent on passing laws on things like drunk-driving, and so on :-). The first problem to overcome is-- do we as a general community really want a battlletech RPG implementation? My great fear is that the answer would be a resounding NO.

[Kargush]

I fear that there is a significant MechCoC part of the community. The sort who whine about capture wins in Assault.

[Mechwarrior Buddah]

Yeah but given even the founders' packs were over $100, that ship kinda sailed

[Moldur]

If mech packs are the preferred revenue stream compared to other things, yet mech packs don't work because we do not buy them, then MWO is doomed unless they do something else for revenue.

That's the whole thing of not buying them. I am completely dumbfounded that the self-contained irony is not more apparent to more people. At least in the last several months I have seen posts saying something along the lines of, "Mech packs are how MWO makes money, stop complaining about mech packs and buy them or else PGI will need to figure something else out."

Uh, yeah. That is how it works. If PGI doesn't make something that people want to buy, that is their fault, not the fault of people for not wanting things correctly.

It is like going to an auto parts store and buying a million sticks of gum to keep them in business so that they can get your parts in that you've been asking them to order for the past 4 years (lets just assume you can't order the parts yourself for whatever reason in this make believe world.) Store goes "hey, 90% of our sales are from gum. We should work on our gum." Then when I ask them to stop putting all their effort into gum, people start yelling at me about how I'll never get my car parts unless I keep buying gum. What the ****. I don't want gum. I don't care about buying gum. If they want my money, then order some parts that people need. If they fail to do that, then they were a ****** auto parts store to begin with and deserve to fold.

[RestosIII]

Moldur, on 07 September 2016 - 10:49 PM, said:

If mech packs are the preferred revenue stream compared to other things, yet mech packs don't work because we do not buy them, then MWO is doomed unless they do something else for revenue.

That's the whole thing of not buying them. I am completely dumbfounded that the self-contained irony is not more apparent to more people. At least in the last several months I have seen posts saying something along the lines of, "Mech packs are how MWO makes money, stop complaining about mech packs and buy them or else PGI will need to figure something else out."

Uh, yeah. That is how it works. If PGI doesn't make something that people want to buy, that is their fault, not the fault of people for not wanting things correctly.

It is like going to an auto parts store and buying a million sticks of gum to keep them in business so that they can get your parts in that you've been asking them to order for the past 4 years (lets just assume you can't order the parts yourself for whatever reason in this make believe world.) Store goes "hey, 90% of our sales are from gum. We should work on our gum." Then when I ask them to stop putting all their effort into gum, people start yelling at me about how I'll never get my car parts unless I keep buying gum. What the ****. I don't want gum. I don't care about buying gum. If they want my money, then order some parts that people need. If they fail to do that, then they were a ****** auto parts store to begin with and deserve to fold.

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Okay, so, apparently my link had a stroke and died. This is funnier than the meme was going to be, so I'll leave it as-is.

Edited by RestosIII, 07 September 2016 - 11:02 PM.

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I think the $20 'mech packs in MWO have always been good value. If you get them during the early-adopter reward window, even excellent value.

That said, the point of diminishing return is right there at $20. The $40 "collector pack" is especially dubious as you're mostly paying for some extra bling at twice the cost.

But then this is precisely what's done with all consumer products. You sell really expensive variants of the same for people who're obsessive completionists or have loose spending habits. Gold watches, $700 phones, high-end hi-fi systems, which are practically the same as something half the price. People buy that stuff and the profit margins are massive.