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[Quicksilver Aberration]

Deathlike, on 07 September 2016 - 12:28 PM, said:

It's hard to know what "good" is when you don't know what it is.

Dunning-Kruger effect unfortunately at its best.

[dervishx5]

Deathlike, on 07 September 2016 - 12:28 PM, said:

It's hard to know what "good" is when you don't know what it is.

[N0ni]

Quicksilver Kalasa, on 07 September 2016 - 12:27 PM, said:

This is more of a sign that you blame losses on cheats (which are more than likely imaginary cheats) rather than your own ineptitude.

But it has to be cheats if he gets cored out in the back, from the front. Has nothing to do with another person shooting him in the back at the same time.

Cheats man...

[Kalleballe]

Ok, what was the "cheats" dmg/kills at end of match? You did at least screencap the scoreboard right?

[Davers]

It's not very hard to hit a stationary mech.

[Alteran]

Yanlowen Cage, on 07 September 2016 - 09:52 AM, said:

Canyon network. I am in an ecm raven. I am sitting partial (mostly) behind a peak at the very beginning of match. Zoomed in and watching for something to crest. Suddenly over the hill jump jets engage ( and across the map) jumps a thor. Fires off two ppc shots straight to my ct. First he was the first to crest. How the hell did he acquire me that quick.? Second being mostly under cover and ecm again how the heck did he see me? Finally at a jump how did he hit a little *** raven center torso at over 800 meters twice with ppcs? Tell my something not fishy. Guess he is one of those tier one never miss guys. Mind you he did not kill me. But just damn! Wonder about their skillz sometimes... maybe I could d/l some too. And for all the "it is possible l33t crew, I have a hard time just getting ppcs to register.

Had to double check the time that you posted this, it was probably someone in our EK group that we had this morning. We've been running Summoners with dual CERPPC's for quite a while and yeah we love the long shots. Canyon Network is the one map we choose a lot this morning, so it's pretty possible it was one of us.

No Johnny Z, we don't use aim hacks or any other hacks to get the 'edge'. It's QP and no matter if it's MRBC or the Tourny, it's not worth losing the investment we've all made for the Mech Packs^TM and MC.

Only a fool with nothing to lose would resort to something so low.

[Supersmacky]

Suspicious? Sure. Proof of hacking, cheating, etc? No. There are a number of reasons that player might have fired PPC in that direction at that time.

I'll give an example: On Tourmaline in Domination there is a spawn that puts one team in a position to literally walk 50 meters and have eyes on the spawn of another team (I forget the grid coordinates) and fire at them if you have sufficiently long range weapons. This has happened to be enough times that when I spawn in that open location I immediately look over to my left while walking to group up and if I am equipped with something long range (ERLL) I will fire a burst at the location the other team can peek from (even if I don't see anything). Over this weekend I hit something over there twice. Again, I never 'saw' anything, I just fire in case there was something peeking my lance.

Using the OP reference to Canyon Network, may the player that shot the PPCs knows that is a location lights will use to peek at the other team and is just in the habit of firing at that location. He may have been just as surprised to actually hit something as the OP was to get hit.

And this is just one possibility. As others have pointed out, there are a lot of other reasons this might have happened.

There are things that clearly scream 'hacker' to me. This isn't one of them.

Cheers!

[Deathlike]

N0ni, on 07 September 2016 - 12:34 PM, said:

But it has to be cheats if he gets cored out in the back, from the front. Has nothing to do with another person shooting him in the back at the same time.

Cheats man...

I would like to point out.. that odd/bad netcode/hitreg (mostly the shooting in the front somehow hits the back) is that in part, the hitboxes aren't "filled in".

Basically, PGI designed mech hitboxes like a "shell", where there's no interior. Normally, that should be OK if your netcode is any good, but what happens is that occasionally the server will interpret the location of the weapon hit (usually a projectile) in a place where it would not logically hit. If the hitboxes were actually "filled" (proportionally to the front+back), the occurrence of projectiles "going through targets" or "hitting the opposite side" (although with the latter, high latency can cause shots to hit in a different direction) would probably be reduced.

Fun.

[blood4blood]

Yanlowen Cage, on 07 September 2016 - 09:52 AM, said:

Canyon network. I am in an ecm raven. I am sitting partial (mostly) behind a peak at the very beginning of match. Zoomed in and watching for something to crest. Suddenly over the hill jump jets engage ( and across the map) jumps a thor. Fires off two ppc shots straight to my ct. First he was the first to crest. How the hell did he acquire me that quick.? Second being mostly under cover and ecm again how the heck did he see me? Finally at a jump how did he hit a little *** raven center torso at over 800 meters twice with ppcs? Tell my something not fishy. Guess he is one of those tier one never miss guys. Mind you he did not kill me. But just damn! Wonder about their skillz sometimes... maybe I could d/l some too. And for all the "it is possible l33t crew, I have a hard time just getting ppcs to register.

[Emphasis added to original.] You only had partial cover, and were zoomed in --> he may have seen you from a different angle well before he crested, then moved to a better firing position and lined up the jump shot while you were still zoomed in and unaware. Either that, or he just got lucky/has great aim.

(PS I'm not saying there are no cheats in MWO, but an aimbot on a game that registers damage server-side is one of the more unlikely things, for reasons that have been posted many, many times.)

[N0ni]

I was just making fun of a match i had with him on Canyon (months ago), he was getting shot from both front and back and was claiming the person on his front was cheating by magically coring out his back... even though it was a ridge humper doing it behind him.

Pilot error.

Also one of the first ones to die on my team. Wish i recorded it.

[KHETTI]

blood4blood, on 07 September 2016 - 01:05 PM, said:

[Emphasis added to original.]
(PS I'm not saying there are no cheats in MWO, but an aimbot on a game that registers damage server-side is one of the more unlikely things, for reasons that have been posted many, many times.)

A game being server side authoritative removes the possibility of any cheats that change values, but the server and the client still need to exchange some positional data, aimbots and radar hacks use this data.
Also there is clear video evidence of functional aimbot/radar hack working in MWO, so yes they do exsist.

N0ni, on 07 September 2016 - 01:09 PM, said:

I was just making fun of a match i had with him on Canyon (months ago), he was getting shot from both front and back and was claiming the person on his front was cheating by magically coring out his back... even though it was a ridge humper doing it behind him.

Pilot error.

Also one of the first ones to die on my team. Wish i recorded it.

Careful, this falls under name&shame, no need to prolong said pilots ribbing.

[Douglas grizzly]

Yanlowen Cage, on 07 September 2016 - 09:52 AM, said:

Canyon network. I am in an ecm raven. I am sitting partial (mostly) behind a peak at the very beginning of match. Zoomed in and watching for something to crest. Suddenly over the hill jump jets engage ( and across the map) jumps a thor. Fires off two ppc shots straight to my ct. First he was the first to crest. How the hell did he acquire me that quick.? Second being mostly under cover and ecm again how the heck did he see me? Finally at a jump how did he hit a little *** raven center torso at over 800 meters twice with ppcs? Tell my something not fishy. Guess he is one of those tier one never miss guys. Mind you he did not kill me. But just damn! Wonder about their skillz sometimes... maybe I could d/l some too. And for all the "it is possible l33t crew, I have a hard time just getting ppcs to register.

Lucky shots can happen at any time. I know bec i got a lucky shot on a locust in canyon at full tilt from the side and took him out.

[Idealsuspect]

It seem this guy is enjoying the desertion of MM coze tiny playerbase ( cose awesome work from pgi ) or maybe he did go to tier 3 recently and face some smarts pilots ...

And about cheating ... how many potatoes specting me said i was cheating coze i did know where some people were approaching my mech ... how many don't even see my sismic sensor being crazy on the minimap ... how many of them did notice we have a minimap.

Edited by Idealsuspect, 07 September 2016 - 02:30 PM.

[KHETTI]

Idealsuspect, on 07 September 2016 - 02:28 PM, said:

And about cheating ... how many potatoes spectating me said i was cheating coze i did know where some people were approaching my mech ... how many don't even see my seismic sensor being crazy on the minimap ... how many of them did notice we have a minimap.

Moving up to a position where i suspect the enemy to be only to see 6, 7 red blips on my mini-map, i sometimes forget my team mates can't see the blips, imagine if they did, that would be the definition of OP.

Edited by KHETTI, 07 September 2016 - 02:40 PM.

[Jman5]

Could be a terrain draw distance issue. Canyon is one of the maps that has that problem. Some maps and locations have big problems with this where the terrain will be mishapen or disappear at a distance allowing you to see through terrain. While you might be almost completely behind cover, from his perspective it could look like you're totally exposed. Of course if he had aimed where the terrain actually was it would do no damage.

For example on Boreal Vault. Look at how a large V shape is cut into the hill by the entrance when I move back 1 meter. To the player approaching it would appear he is coming in stealthily under cover. For the defender though they can see him marching in clear as day.



This is something PGI really needs to address on some of the older maps. It is a major source of hit registration complaints and why some people seem to know when you're about to pop out from cover.

Edited by Jman5, 07 September 2016 - 03:49 PM.

[Johnny Z]

Quicksilver Kalasa, on 07 September 2016 - 12:27 PM, said:

This is more of a sign that you blame losses on cheats (which are more than likely imaginary cheats) rather than your own ineptitude.

All I see here is someone describing a lucky shot or an aim bot. A good shot can hit a stationary ECM Raven at 800 meters on the way down from a jump but knowing he is there before the jump is another thing all together.

The thing about this topic is players that cant hit anything without program assists trolling. So funny.

Like I already said it may or not be an aim bot. But I have seen some lately 100% for sure.

Edited by Johnny Z, 07 September 2016 - 03:23 PM.

[Johnny Z]

KHETTI, on 07 September 2016 - 12:01 PM, said:

1. He can't report the player without atleast video evidence.
2. He said himself he was only partially in cover , so yes he was visible(no offence OP but i'm betting you were out in the open in full view and stationary).
3. Yes some players really are that good and whole lot more, i can do what the OP described easily so.....

You cant do that easily at all. A good/experienced player can do that and would know that's its also easy to miss that shot and not troll the forums sayings its an easy shot. You basically told this entire forums you have no ability to aim at all.

Really bads shouldn't be commenting on what was either an excellent + lucky shot or an aim bot.

Edited by Johnny Z, 07 September 2016 - 03:34 PM.

[Johnny Z]

Alteran, on 07 September 2016 - 12:46 PM, said:

Had to double check the time that you posted this, it was probably someone in our EK group that we had this morning. We've been running Summoners with dual CERPPC's for quite a while and yeah we love the long shots. Canyon Network is the one map we choose a lot this morning, so it's pretty possible it was one of us.

No Johnny Z, we don't use aim hacks or any other hacks to get the 'edge'. It's QP and no matter if it's MRBC or the Tourny, it's not worth losing the investment we've all made for the Mech Packs^TM and MC.

Only a fool with nothing to lose would resort to something so low.

I wish that were true. I seen a legendary founder turn on the bot when he was about to go down just yesterday. One minute he is losing the fight, the next hes hitting my ravens right torso without fail. No he didn't get me because I knew what was going on and even triple checked.

How was it easy for me to be 1000% sure he was boting simple as pie? I was in a 150khp Raven and I would clear the ridge while torso twitsing at max speed and he was sticking my right torso with clan lasers, but I only cleared the ridge for a fraction of a second and went back down.

Did that 3 or 4 times.

Anyone recording that and hes poof insta perma banned.

Sad thing? Most likely that's another legendary founder perma banned for cheating.

Edited by Johnny Z, 07 September 2016 - 03:42 PM.

[Idealsuspect]

KHETTI, on 07 September 2016 - 02:39 PM, said:

Moving up to a position where i suspect the enemy to be only to see 6, 7 red blips on my mini-map, i sometimes forget my team mates can't see the blips, imagine if they did, that would be the definition of OP.

Information is ammunition ^^ ammunition is OP

[Solis Obscuri]

Davers, on 07 September 2016 - 12:42 PM, said:

It's not very hard to hit a stationary mech.

Pretty much this. Also shooting stuff while jumping is pretty trivial, too many people cried and lied about motion sickness issues when PGI tried to make it slightly challenging. And ERPPCs move so fast you don't have to worry about relative motion a lot. Plus the CT is the biggest frontal target on a Raven.

The only thing that's a little odd is the fast target acquisition, but if you were silhouetted a bit, Canyon is one of the easier maps to pick things out at long ranges. Not a lot of big trees and blizzards to disguise a target from visual recognition.

If you see a guy pulling off lots of blind, miracle shots it's probably worth reporting, but one or two could just be good luck and decent twitch-aim.