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[Felicitatem Parco]

KBurn85, on 16 September 2016 - 05:30 PM, said:

Promptly searched him on leaderboards, and found out he's ranked a shameful 11850, with a 1.1 WLR, and 0.84KDR. Very pathetic.

I'm glad you put the effort in to research his combat statistics. I'm sure he would like to know that you're putting in the extra effort to spend time thinking about him. People like to feel important, you think he;'s important enough for you to take time out of your gaming day to see exactly howmuch you were supposed to insult him.

Imagine if he was a highly-ranked player! My gosh, the embarrassment you'd feel about insulting him, only to find he's a God among Mechs. But, alas, he is a mere pathetic low-ranker, so you may lay waste to his character... after all, you did the research; why waste the knowledge?

[xTrident]

El Bandito, on 16 September 2016 - 06:30 PM, said:

Yep WLR is what matters. I'd rather group with a guy with consistent 1.1 WLR and 0.8 KDR than a guy with 0.7 WLR and 1.8 KDR. Dunno why people place so much emphasis on high KDR, when that is clearly not helping them to win better than than average.

Lol, well my KDR is at 1.50 and my W/L is .967. In my defense I have matches where I'll do 500+ damage and around 200 damage and lose. It doesn't seem to really matter. I also have massive loss streaks.

[MischiefSC]

FW is also broke as **** in a lot of ways but drop with anyone but pugs and you'll see an order of magnitude more coordination and you'll still have pug drops in FW getting called by someone 50/50 and most people will follow the call.

Go drop with MS for example. They'll take anyone in their TS just dropping in to play and you'll see a whole other side of the game. It still deeds a lot of work but it's a billion times better than QP.

[Deathlike]

There's a difference between people that don't know when to push and people that don't know how to push.

It can go both ways for the former, but it's scary to see the latter.

[Mystere]

KBurn85, on 16 September 2016 - 05:30 PM, said:

Promptly searched him on leaderboards, and found out he's ranked a shameful 11850, with a 1.1 WLR, and 0.84KDR. Very pathetic.

We fully expect to see your name on the #1 team of the MechWarrior Online World Championship or we're going to be sorely disappointed.

[Johnny Z]

I try to maintain my zen even if the match is going badly. Not always successfully though.

[El Bandito]

xTrident, on 16 September 2016 - 06:39 PM, said:

Lol, well my KDR is at 1.50 and my W/L is .967. In my defense I have matches where I'll do 500+ damage and around 200 damage and lose. It doesn't seem to really matter. I also have massive loss streaks.

0.97 WLR is considered average, so no shame in that. There are thing you can improve on though. Just ask yourself few basic questions, and judging from the answers, you know you can help your team to win better by improving on aspects other than aiming skills.

Are you using VOIP to communicate with the team? If not, are you using command wheel? Are you calling out targets to focus on, or telling your team where the enemy UAVs are? Are you focusing on the big threats, rather than alphaing/chasing Lights 500 meters away? Are you locking the enemy whenever you can? Are you usually the last guy left from your team in a loss, with no exposed internals?

Etc...

[Johnny Z]

El Bandito, on 16 September 2016 - 07:46 PM, said:

0.97 WLR is considered average, so no shame in that. There are thing you can improve on though. Just ask yourself few basic questions, and judging from the answers, you know you can help your team to win better by improving on aspects other than aiming skills.

Are you using VOIP to communicate with the team? If not, are you using command wheel? Are you calling out targets to focus on, or telling your team where the enemy UAVs are? Are you focusing on the big threats, rather than alphaing/chasing Lights 500 meters away? Are you locking the enemy whenever you can? Are you usually the last guy left from your team in a loss, with no exposed internals?

Etc...

Good point I do get upset losing a match sometimes but I guess the w/l ratio has to go around for everyone and I shouldn't be so greedy to the point of losing a match is a big deal.

[Surn]

If you sit in the back of the fight and wait till the end to kill damaged mechs with your fresh mech in qp, you may get a higher score...but you suck

[razenWing]

im just replying so that i can get the link to my name to get the w/l ratio. #yolo

edit: how is this possible? my global rank is higher than all of my individual ranks????? Like, wtf??? if even one weight class is higher than my global rank, I can understand that maybe... I've just been playing more of that class than others. But ALL OF THEM? Somewhere, someone screwed up the law of averages.

Edited by razenWing, 16 September 2016 - 08:47 PM.

[xTrident]

El Bandito, on 16 September 2016 - 07:46 PM, said:

0.97 WLR is considered average, so no shame in that. There are thing you can improve on though. Just ask yourself few basic questions, and judging from the answers, you know you can help your team to win better by improving on aspects other than aiming skills.

Are you using VOIP to communicate with the team? If not, are you using command wheel? Are you calling out targets to focus on, or telling your team where the enemy UAVs are? Are you focusing on the big threats, rather than alphaing/chasing Lights 500 meters away? Are you locking the enemy whenever you can? Are you usually the last guy left from your team in a loss, with no exposed internals?

Etc...

Don't use VOIP... I listen to what everyone else has to say and almost always follow what they want to do. But frankly... I hear way too much stupid to want to talk over comms. I also don't use the command wheel, but that is entirely because I'm still unfamiliar with it. By that I mean I haven't used it yet.

That being said being the potential negatives of my game - I will go after the bigger threats although if an enemy is near death I will focus them as well and it's not all about getting the kill. It's about eliminating that threat and having one less person to deal with. Granted I do look to see what they have for weapons. If they're stripped I'll target them if no one else is in sight. I also try to hold targets as much as possible. I try to drop UAV's when possible. I don't point UAV's out but rather try to shoot them down myself and I'm pretty damn good at watching the mini-map so I usually spot them. Not to mention what I hear over VOIP.

Chasing lights and being the last one left alive depends entirely on what I'm piloting. If I'm in a light I'll go after another light to help the team. If I'm in a medium, particularly the Shadow Cat which is specifically designed to scout/snipe I'll go a little ways after the light, enough to run them off. But in the Shadow Cat I do find myself being one of the last ones alive quite often but I'm not without being cored nearly every time. I'm not the type of sniper that's too afraid to take hits. For me it's all about doing some damage as well as distracting the enemy.

If I'm in a heavy or assault I'm either killed with the rest of them or the team as a group does well enough and there's a few of us left including myself. I don't push that much with my heavies because they simply can't take the damage as well as an assault. But in my Atlas, as long as I feel I have sufficient support I don't have a problem and I always take a ton of damage.

I don't give orders because I take them. Someone calls a target if they're in my sight I focus them. If I don't it's because there's one of two problems 1. I'm not in position to shoot said target, or 2. I am in position but too much of the team is in the way so I'll go for something I can shoot. I also don't complain to the team in chat when a plan falls apart. If I am frustrated over it they never know because I say it to myself. Because at least someone threw a plan out there for us whether it was a dumb idea or not.

Edited by xTrident, 16 September 2016 - 09:54 PM.

[Tristan Winter]

MFW trying to decide if the high-pitched voice on my team is a young man or a woman.

[Ace Selin]

I have to agree if there are 4 assaults and they dont push... it is a crowd !

[LordNothing]

i dont mind taking it slow when its the tactical thing to do. however when that does happen, it usually because nobody knows what to do and nobody is brazen enough to do anything worth following. especially when you hold a position for a long time where the enemy knows where you are and unless they are doing the same moronic thing you are, they are probibly trying to figure out how to kill you. static positioning is not only dumb but it is also very boring. a moving front is much easier to defend and a lot more exciting.

[El Bandito]

xTrident, on 16 September 2016 - 09:53 PM, said:

I don't give orders because I take them. Someone calls a target if they're in my sight I focus them. If I don't it's because there's one of two problems 1. I'm not in position to shoot said target, or 2. I am in position but too much of the team is in the way so I'll go for something I can shoot. I also don't complain to the team in chat when a plan falls apart. If I am frustrated over it they never know because I say it to myself. Because at least someone threw a plan out there for us whether it was a dumb idea or not.

Well, if you wish to increase your WLR, then you need to start giving out orders. Back when I was mic-shy, my WLR was around 1.2. After I played with various Marik units in FW, I learned to follow orders, and then later learned to give orders through VOIP. When I came back to solo-q, I still gave orders, and that improved my WLR to 1.36.

One must take hold of the reins of pugs, or one will be swept by them. So what if I gave wrong order and cost the game? I learned something from it--which cannot be said of many puggers.

Edited by El Bandito, 16 September 2016 - 10:20 PM.

[MechWarrior849305]

KBurn85, on 16 September 2016 - 05:30 PM, said:

So, obviously, u'r not the saem 12 year old who came here on forums to whine about someone. OK

[VaeVictus3025]

El Bandito, on 16 September 2016 - 10:19 PM, said:

Well, if you wish to increase your WLR, then you need to start giving out orders. Back when I was mic-shy, my WLR was around 1.2. After I played with various Marik units in FW, I learned to follow orders, and then later learned to give orders through VOIP. When I came back to solo-q, I still gave orders, and that improved my WLR to 1.36.

One must take hold of the reins of pugs, or one will be swept by them. So what if I gave wrong order and cost the game? I learned something from it--which cannot be said of many puggers.

Ding ding ding. I tend to bark orders alot to and people WILL listen if its good orders. I'll ride herd and bark at the people who get "lost" back into formation and this GREATLY cuts down on the rambos or fools who run too from support to get ganked by fast movers. Also gives us the ability to throw out a curtain of firepower at any foolish lights who try to buzz our formation.

If im in my light i declare my intention (hunt enemy fast movers, scout a certain area) and tell my buddies to sing out if they see a fast mover so i vector in after em. When im in a big boy i tell all heavies and assaults to rally up on Charlie Lance and personally lead the way to a grid i call out as a rally up. Now 10% of the time i get ignored or cussed at, so i just gotta roll with it and do my thing, but when people DO listen then its up to me to give out smart commands and be at the front. Thus as a heavy/assault if i call push, i say where and when (counting down 321), thus getting people ready to follow my *** into the breach. More often than not it works as i tend to have a pretty good sense of situation. However as noted even if it didnt work out, usually we're able to kill a bunch of dudes and not let it be a one sided roll.

I just hope by having good team play its encourages other players to play as a team instead of alot of the selfish hiding we tend to see alot of times.

Of course, nothing is uglier than being in a game under a poor commander making ALL the wrong decisions and screaming over anyone who objects to his idiocy. Once u see enough people listen to the idiot, best to just go along for now and hope the enemy team has their own glorious leader so that we can just stumble into each other and get the brawl over with.

[Chuck Jager]

I use typing because it makes me not say bad stuff too often (and MWO does not like my install of TS).
Just confirming coords and a quick thank you or an offer of real in game suggestion that is easy to accomplish can go along way to motivating the PUGs to show some team work.

After I have tried some easy positive stuff, I may get salty if there are folks more than 1.5 sqs away from the front. Being a support players still means you are always taking an equal percentage of your health as everyone else. Also as someone who tries to push if we are down by 2-4 and folks are in the back, I will suggest to the team to rotate behind the fresh players. If you watch comp commanders call they will call for any mech over 15% higher than team members to get up front regardless of load. Taking damage at the right time is a harder skill to learn than using others as meat shields. At a certain point 5-6 down all bets are off and it is OK to be selfish if you are below 60% and have taken a turn at the main front with the bulk of the group.


The OP did show a willingness to take damage by correcting themselves with admitting the player in question did have a higher w/l.

[Hunka Junk]

Look for me this weekend. I'll be trying to scream my way to a higher WLR.

[mailin]

If someone says "push" you push. Period. Even if you personally disagree with the decision. Why? Because whether or not you disagree with it, other team members will push. You ALWAYS want the team to stay together, regardless of whether or not you're in puglandia, put on your big boy pants and push when the 12 year old says push.

If you lose, hopefully the 12 year old learned something from the experience. If you win, you might learn something.