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[C E Dwyer]

Saw what I thought was the Warrant out in a match today, and thought huh, this early !

Must have been a TBR in Lio or Green chicken camo, repainted..

[C E Dwyer]

Sereglach, on 01 October 2016 - 08:02 PM, said:

Well, if that's all you want just spend $6.95 on MC between now and the 2016 rewards cutoff and get a free BJ, from Russ, with psychedelic paint and 4 streaks. It won't even be in a badly lit alley . . . it'll be right in your mech bay.




Sorry, just too easy . . .

Only P.G.I would give you a Streaker B.J , where you can get trippy looking at the camo, and all for $6.95

[C E Dwyer]

RAM, on 02 October 2016 - 02:56 AM, said:

Although I do not currently have access to the novel, novels rank lowest on the scale of canonicity. The rest of the canon clearly shows that you are simply incorrect. In fact, given the timeline, Natasha Kerensky never even piloted a Dire Wolf before the Dragoons fielded their variant, so no it is not possible that the W is ‘based upon’ the Widowmaker.

Not to mention that being ‘based upon’ her Dire Wolf does not make it her Dire Wolf, even ignoring that there are next to no similarities between hers and the Dragoon models; but please tell us how the HD erSL makes them the same mech


RAM
ELH

Surely Hero mechs rate the lowest level of canonicity, which they've been declared since Feb this year. If there is much a thing as levels of canonicity, in the normal world.

[The Boneshaman]

Well you all just gose to show that one persons ideah on P2W differs from anothers. On one hand we have some saying just becuse you only get the omni pod you pay $$ is P2W. Than you have the group that says game braking items for $$ is P2W.

[mikerso]

Sereglach, on 01 October 2016 - 08:02 PM, said:

Well, if that's all you want just spend $6.95 on MC between now and the 2016 rewards cutoff and get a free BJ, from Russ, with psychedelic paint and 4 streaks. It won't even be in a badly lit alley . . . it'll be right in your mech bay.


Sorry, just too easy . . .

So many things to do that would get me in trouble lol.

[Willothius]

Yeah, psychedelic BJs are the best BJs!!

[Herr Vorragend]

Aramuside, on 29 September 2016 - 11:51 PM, said:

As much as I agree, I barely see the Cicada 3M in Tier 1 and I've never seen the Cataphract or Tempest.

That said I confess I did just buy the Tempest at discount so will eventually find out why no one uses it I guess...

Strange. I take out my Muro, Tempest and the CDA-3M quite often in tier1

[Arkhangel]

RAM, on 02 October 2016 - 02:56 AM, said:

Although I do not currently have access to the novel, novels rank lowest on the scale of canonicity. The rest of the canon clearly shows that you are simply incorrect. In fact, given the timeline, Natasha Kerensky never even piloted a Dire Wolf before the Dragoons fielded their variant, so no it is not possible that the W is ‘based upon’ the Widowmaker.

Not to mention that being ‘based upon’ her Dire Wolf does not make it her Dire Wolf, even ignoring that there are next to no similarities between hers and the Dragoon models; but please tell us how the HD erSL makes them the same mech


RAM
ELH

regardless, anyways, the Smoke Jaguars used it far more than the Wolves did, which is why they got chosen. IS didn't name it "Daishi" because it was common in the LyrCom front, where the Wolves were. Dracs called it that cause the Jags fielded it first, and in larger numbers.

And anyways, point is moot, since Natasha's already spoken for. By the IS due to the Black Widow. You're not getting Widowmaker. Not yet anyways. Deal with it.

[Dee Eight]

Arkhangel, on 03 October 2016 - 07:32 PM, said:

And anyways, point is moot, since Natasha's already spoken for. By the IS due to the Black Widow. You're not getting Widowmaker. Not yet anyways. Deal with it.

And not even properly. Natasha piloted a bone stock WHR-6R maintained in pristine condition. Not the goofy hero mech they gave us in the game.

[Arkhangel]

Dee Eight, on 03 October 2016 - 09:15 PM, said:

And not even properly. Natasha piloted a bone stock WHR-6R maintained in pristine condition. Not the goofy hero mech they gave us in the game.

yeah, but the fact remains I highly doubt they're gonna give us two mechs piloted by the same person. Especially when, as has been said before, the Dire Wolf was most commonly used by the Smoke Jaguars anyways, not to mention Wolves already have two already in this list.

same goes for Aidan being in his Summoner. he may have DIED in a Timberwolf, but he spent most of his career as a Mechwarrior in a Summoner. Vlad getting the Timberwolf should be pretty obvious, seeing as how it's literally the first Clan Mech the IS managed to get a good look at, and he was the one piloting it (said Timberwolf was also borrowed by Natasha sometime later, as well.)

[Aramuside]

Herr Vorragend, on 03 October 2016 - 03:02 PM, said:

Strange. I take out my Muro, Tempest and the CDA-3M quite often in tier1

You might but I've still not seen either the Tempest or 3M since that post compared to hundreds of kodiaks etc etc etc. I have seen two Cicada's but neither were the 3M variant and I've seen a few Archer LRM boats but again neither were the Tempest.

My point wasn't that no one in the game uses them but that very few do.

That said I love Phoenix Hawks and get good results in them so I can't really talk.

[Willothius]

Arkhangel, on 03 October 2016 - 09:46 PM, said:

yeah, but the fact remains I highly doubt they're gonna give us two mechs piloted by the same person. Especially when, as has been said before, the Dire Wolf was most commonly used by the Smoke Jaguars anyways, not to mention Wolves already have two already in this list.

same goes for Aidan being in his Summoner. he may have DIED in a Timberwolf, but he spent most of his career as a Mechwarrior in a Summoner. Vlad getting the Timberwolf should be pretty obvious, seeing as how it's literally the first Clan Mech the IS managed to get a good look at, and he was the one piloting it (said Timberwolf was also borrowed by Natasha sometime later, as well.)

I'm not that familiar with all the lore, but.. aren't 'Freebirth scum' supposed to stick to their IS chassis? So this Natasha piloted both a Widowmaker Direwolf and a Black Widow Warhammer then? And then later a TBR as well?

(The only thing I'll take from this is that I shouldn't feel too bad for my generous use of both factions' chassis! )

[MovinTarget]

Willothius, on 04 October 2016 - 02:31 AM, said:

I'm not that familiar with all the lore, but.. aren't 'Freebirth scum' supposed to stick to their IS chassis? So this Natasha piloted both a Widowmaker Direwolf and a Black Widow Warhammer then? And then later a TBR as well?

(The only thing I'll take from this is that I shouldn't feel too bad for my generous use of both factions' chassis! )

Wolf's Dragoons was basically a spy vehicle for the clans pre-invasion. Its why they were always so well equipped, they brought a ton of SLDF-era mechs back with them whey returned to the IS and played the part of a merc company. Once their guise was lifted, drama happens(surprise!) and she's free to drive clan tech again...

[Dee Eight]

Willothius, on 04 October 2016 - 02:31 AM, said:

I'm not that familiar with all the lore, but.. aren't 'Freebirth scum' supposed to stick to their IS chassis? So this Natasha piloted both a Widowmaker Direwolf and a Black Widow Warhammer then? And then later a TBR as well?

Besides the already mentioned part how the Dragoons were actually a covert long term scout/recon mission of the inner sphere to prepare for the eventual clan invasion, with originally all clan members using SLDF vintage equipment (unfortunately including some mechs that were unknown in the Inner Sphere because they were only produced by the star league-in-exile after the exodus even though they were designed late 2760s, like the Annihilator and the Imp) meant to represent an "average" mercenary company.... but instead they arrived with support equipment and personnel and equipment that put them far ahead of many elite house units and almost every famous mercenary unit including the likes of the Eridani Light Horse and the Northwind Highlanders. Natasha Kerensky herself was a trueborn clan warrior and a former star colonel in the elite 328th assault cluster of clan wolf.

http://www.sarna.net...atasha_Kerensky

Incidently, people often ask "when are we going to get Wolf Dragoon's mechs ?" Well...we already have...the Archer 5W is actually a Dragoon's exclusive model introduced in 3050 which was an upgrade from their 2W variant. I'm sure there are other variants in the game of other chassis which were Dragoons versions people haven't paid attention to because they didn't get special "lore" writeups upon their introduction to the game.

Edited by Dee Eight, 04 October 2016 - 07:19 PM.

[Willothius]

MovinTarget, on 04 October 2016 - 03:07 AM, said:

Wolf's Dragoons was basically a spy vehicle for the clans pre-invasion. Its why they were always so well equipped, they brought a ton of SLDF-era mechs back with them whey returned to the IS and played the part of a merc company. Once their guise was lifted, drama happens(surprise!) and she's free to drive clan tech again...

That dirty, backstabbing Claner b*tch!
EDIT: Wait what, when she returnd to the IS she could drive Clan mechs again?? Well which is it, IS or Clan?!

So what about IIC 'mechs then? Also stolen-then-imrpoved tech that those turncoats took from the IS?

Edited by Willothius, 04 October 2016 - 04:44 AM.

[Willothius]

Dee Eight, on 04 October 2016 - 04:27 AM, said:

Besides the already mentioned part how the Dragoons were actually a covert long term scout/recon mission of the inner sphere to prepare for the eventual clan invasion, with originally all clan members using SLDF vintage equipment (unfortunately including some mechs that were unknown in the Inner Sphere because they were only produced by the star league-in-exile after the exodus even though they were designed late 2760s, like the Annihilator and the Imp) meant to represent an "average" mercenary company.... but instead they arrived with support equipment and personnel and equipment that put them far ahead of many elite house regiments. Natasha Kerensky herself was a trueborn clan warrior and a former star colonel in the elite 328th assault cluster of clan wolf.

http://www.sarna.net...atasha_Kerensky

Ok, she's still clanner scum. Got it.

Then, was that top line (IS scouting for Clan invasion) a typo I guess? Cause the Clans were probably doing the scouting, right?

[Dee Eight]

Willothius, on 04 October 2016 - 04:42 AM, said:

That dirty, backstabbing Claner b*tch!
EDIT: Wait what, when she returnd to the IS she could drive Clan mechs again?? Well which is it, IS or Clan?!

So what about IIC 'mechs then? Also stolen-then-imrpoved tech that those turncoats took from the IS?

The clans never stopped using late star league era mechs, they just relagated it to second line/garrison units or stored them for future needs in what were known as Brian caches. Thats why except for a few mistakes (like the above two mentioned assault mechs), they were able to equip the Dragoon's with equipment that existed when the Exodus happened 240 years earlier including a mobile space station, jump ships and drop ships of their own, and five regiments of "outdated" battlemechs along with all the support/technicians, spare parts, logistics train, repair facilities, and their own aerospace forces, a commando infantry group, artillery units, etc. Basically a heavy brigade with very few similar sized units and certainly none so well equipped in the inner sphere at the time. A regiment btw, is normally at least 108 battlemechs, and they came with FIVE of them. The persons in the dragoons were primarily recruited from freeborn warriors with very few trueborns among them (Natasha being the most notable one), and all the mechwarriors and aerospace jockeys were trained to the standards of the elite of clan society and then again in the tactics of the star league at the time of the exodus (which again made them way better skilled than anyone in the Inner Sphere at the time they arrived). So when she arrived in the inner sphere with the rest of the Dragoons she piloted what looked like a regular inner sphere mech (since no one would learn the true origins of the unit for nearly 50 years). When Natasha returned to the clans in 3049, she resumed using clan omnimechs, just as she had been using herself 46 years earlier.

IIC is an inner sphere designation for mechs of an improved design based from SLDF era mech designs, built with newer developed technologies and weapons to the then current standards of the clans and usually done between the exodus and the invention of OmniMechs. They are considered obsolete by the Clans already and were largely relegated to second-line units by the time of the invasion. Some IIC designs weighed the same (jenner, hunchback, orion, highlander), some were heavier (marauder, warhammer, phoenix hawk, locust, rifleman) and some got lighter (griffin and shadow hawk). Also some clan battlemech were renamed if there was a particular issue with the original mech from historical reasons. Wolverines for example, due to association with the not-named-clan, were redesigned to become the Conjurers (IS name Hellhound). IIC is again, strictly an inner sphere designation... the clans just called them locusts, and warhammers, and marauders, etc. There were others n like the galahads (whose origins go back to the 26th century) and for editorial reason were left out of the IIC category (ie, the TRO editors needed to fill a section of so-called second line mechs, so they stuck designs like it into that category.

http://www.sarna.net/wiki/IIC

Willothius, on 04 October 2016 - 04:48 AM, said:

Ok, she's still clanner scum. Got it.

Then, was that top line (IS scouting for Clan invasion) a typo I guess? Cause the Clans were probably doing the scouting, right?

See above answer, and read this... http://www.sarna.net...goon_Compromise

Edited by Dee Eight, 04 October 2016 - 06:18 AM.

[MovinTarget]

...like I said... drama!

[Horse Pryde]

I am going to have to get the Summoner just because its Aiden Pryde and that was the book set that got me into the table top game and the MW:DA game and now this game.
And I will get that Dire Wolf because I love DireWolf's

[RAM]

Cathy, on 02 October 2016 - 09:09 AM, said:

Surely Hero mechs rate the lowest level of canonicity,

No

Cathy, on 02 October 2016 - 09:09 AM, said:

which they've been declared since Feb this year.

No

Cathy, on 02 October 2016 - 09:09 AM, said:

If there is much a thing as levels of canonicity,

Yes

Cathy, on 02 October 2016 - 09:09 AM, said:

in the normal world.

?


RAM
ELH