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[Vasili Kerensky]

We got Jin Mehta's Dire Wolf instead of Natasha's...

On top of this insult, not one Dire Wolf variant can be configured to produce the Widowmaker...

I challenge a developer of your choice to a Trial of Grievance over this affront.

[Horse Pryde]

I agree 100%, while I love the DireWolf and will still get this variant (I have all the others). I think I speak for many when I say, This should have been the Widowmaker. It is the best and most iconic DireWolf ever.

[J0anna]

We also didn't get my Hellbringer (Twycross) Mad Dog (Tukayyid, and others) or my Summoner (used to defeat the Black Widow's Dire Wolf)....

Edited by J0anna, 05 October 2016 - 07:14 AM.

[Tordin]

In that other thread. The reason were that Nathasha kept changing the loadouts all the time, were there a particular build she used most while piloting that Widowmaker? If not, well the W could be a base for builds.

Also the W variant could be a placeholder until PGI maybe include Nathashas DW later. I know its the Wolf's Dragoons variant but still. Im sure they see profit in adding hers along with others.

Im not THAT deep into the lore. But judging from what others have pointed out and some knowledge, they all seem kinda lore friendly, though that could improve.

Anyway. Heres the variant list from Sarna of DW for the threads sake:

• Alt Config A The A configuration of the Dire Wolf is configured to engage its enemies at a variety of ranges. The primary long range weapon carried in this configuration is a Gauss Rifle. This is backed up by three impressive Large Pulse Lasers which are effective at any range. For close combat, the A configuration carries two Streak SRM-6 launchers and for additional defense against incoming missiles it carries an Anti-Missile System. BV (1.0) = 2,689^[1], BV (2.0) = 2,896^[2][6][7]

• Alt. Config. B The B configuration is armed for long range engagements with four Ultra Autocannon/2s which have a reach of 810 meters and are backed up by a pair of ER PPCs for even greater punch. An LB-X Autocannon/10 provides excellent medium to long range firepower and allows the Dire Wolf B to act in a variety of roles including vehicle hunting and anti-aircraft. For close combat, the B configuration has two Medium Pulse Lasers and an ER Small Laser. BV (1.0) = 2,127^[1], BV (2.0) = 2,609^[2][8]

• Alt. Config. C The C configuration is configured to be highly mobile and flexible. The Dire Wolf C can jump up to ninety meters. The primary weapons carried are a pair of ER PPCs. These are supported by two new ATM 6 launchers which are capable of firing missiles that are intended for short, intermediate, and long ranges. The C configuration also carries four Medium Pulse Lasers and a single shot Streak SRM-4 launcher. The direct fire weapons are all linked to a Targeting Computer, increasing their lethality, and the C configuration is protected from enemy electronic warfare equipment with an ECM Suite. BV (1.0) = 3,290^[1][9], BV (2.0) = 3,610^[2][10]

• Alt. Config. D This variant mounts two of the largest weapons in the Clan arsenal: the HAG 40. Ten tons of ammunition ensure that the 'Mech will not quickly run out. The uncharacteristically light backup weapons include a pair of Medium Pulse Lasers, a Streak SRM-6, and a single ER Small Laser. BV (2.0) = 3,403^[2][11]

• Alt. Config. E Introduced during the Dark Age this configuration carries an LB 10-X autocannon in each arm. Each autocannon is supported by a quartet of Medium Pulse Lasers. Long range fire support is provided by a Streak LRM-10 launcher, and a Watchdog Combined Electronic Warfare System jams enemy sensors and finds hidden foes. Autocannon and LRM ammunition is stored in the side torsos, which are protected by CASE II. BV (2.0) = 2,814^[12]

• Alt. Config. H A simple direct fire configuration of the Dire Wolf, the H configuration carries a pair of Gauss Rifles as its primary long range weaponry. These are backed up by two Heavy Large Lasers for medium to short ranges. Finally, for short range combat, the H configuration has a Medium Pulse Laser and a Flamer. All of this configuration's weapons are linked to a Targeting Computer, increasing their accuracy. BV (1.0) = 2,517^[1][13], BV (2.0) = 2,992^[2][14]

• Alt. Config. S The S configuration is intended for the close confines of urban and jungle warfare. The S configurations primary weapon is a massive LB-X Autocannon/20 which is capable of disabling most light and medium 'Mechs in a single blast. This is backed up by a single Large Pulse Laser to provide some long range firepower should the Dire Wolf S be caught in the open. Additional short range firepower is provided by five Medium Pulse Lasers and two Streak SRM-4 launchers. Two Anti-Personnel Pods and two Machine Guns provide exceptional anti infantry capabilities. The S configuration has added mobility with three jump jets allowing it to jump up to ninety meters. BV (1.0) = 2,875^[1][15], BV (2.0) = 2,985^[2][16]

• Alt. Config. U The U configuration is configured for underwater combat. It makes use of the experimental BattleMech HarJel System, MASS, and a trio of UMUs allow it to travel underwater as quickly as it walks on land. The weapons load has been optimized for sub-surface combat as well: A trio of SRT-6 launchers appears in each side torso while each arm mounts an ER PPC and pair of Medium Pulse Lasers. The beam weapons are tied into a Targeting Computer. BV (2.0) = 3,360^[17]

• Alt. Config. W This Wolf's Dragoons variant is effective at both long and short range. For long range, it uses a Gauss Rifle, an ER Large Laser, and an LRM-20. At close range, an Ultra Autocannon/20, ER Small Laser, and a pair of Medium Pulse Lasers provide devastating firepower. Twenty double heat sinks allow the design to almost continually fire all of its weapons. BV (2.0) = 2,951^[2][18]

• Alt. Config. X This variant carries a Targeting Computer to guide the fire of a Large Pulse Laser, Heavy Medium Laser, twin ER Micro Lasers, an Ultra AC/10 and the solid shot of an LB 5-X autocannon. To provide missile support, the Daishi X carries an ATM 6 with a ton of each ammunition type, a head mounted Streak SRM-2, and an SRM-4 and LRM-15. The SRM-4 and LRM-15 are each equipped with an Artemis IV FCS. BV (2.0) = 2,645^[19]

Custom Configurations



Note: due to their inclusion in Record Sheets: 3050 Upgrades Unabridged (Clan & Star League) the Hohiro, Prometheus and Widowmaker are considered tournament-legal.

• Hohiro The Hohiro configuration of the Dire Wolf is used by Hohiro Kurita and has a mixed long and short range weapons profile. For long range hitting power, an ER PPC and a Gauss Rifle provide overwhelming punch. To engage enemies at long to medium ranges, three Large Pulse Lasers are carried. One ER Small Laser and one Streak SRM-6 round out this configuration with some short range punch. BV (1.0) = 2,676^[20], BV (2.0) = 3,048^[21]

• Prometheus The preferred configuration of Archon-Prince Victor Ian Steiner-Davion, the Prometheus configuration carries a blistering array of weapons that increases its damage potential as it closes range. The primary long range weapons are a pair of ER Large Lasers supported by three Large Pulse Lasers. For close combat, an Ultra Autocannon/20 and a SRM-6 launcher are carried. BV (1.0) = 2,319^[22], BV (2.0) = 2,900^[23]

• Widowmaker The preferred configuration of the Black Widow Natasha Kerensky, the Widowmaker can do a great deal of damage at any range. For long range combat, an ER PPC backed up by a Large Pulse Laser mounted in each arm. For close combat, the Widowmaker carries three ER Medium Lasers, an ER Small Laser, and an Ultra Autocannon/20. This mix of weaponry served Natasha Kerensky well until her death at the hands of Jade Falcon Star Commander Joanna. The Widowmaker now rests on the floor of the Great Gash on Twycross, in silent memorial to its legendary pilot.^[24] BV (1.0) = 2,534, BV (2.0) = 3,041^[25]

• Widowmaker LRM The configuration of Dire Wolf piloted by Natasha Kerensky at her Trial of Position to test out as a MechWarrior on 21 July 3051. For long range combat, the ER PPCs are replaced by shoulder-mounted twin LRM-20 launchers with 24 racks, first half being Swarm LRMs and backed up by a Large Pulse Laser mounted in each arm. For close combat, the left torso carries three ER Medium Lasers in triangular configuration in the chest and the stubby LB-X Autocannon/20 with 10 cluster rounds under-slung on the right torso. For when things gets dicey, a "fire and forget" SRM-6 one-shot launcher above cockpit, just aft of the hatch and only 20 double strength heat sinks. This configuration was just for her Trial of Position and not used again.^[26] BV (2.0) = 2,928

• Lone Wolf The variant piloted by Phelan Wolf at his Trial of Position to test out as a MechWarrior on 21 July 3051. Configured by Khan Natasha Kerensky (who was piloting the LRM variant of her Widowmaker in the same Trial). For long range, the Lone Wolf variant was armed with shoulder mounted twin LRM-20 launchers with 24 racks, first half being Swarm LRMs, backed up by a Gauss Rifle in left arm, with 16 slug coming from bins in the left torso. For close combat, the Lone Wolf carries three Medium Pulse Lasers in right arm, a stubby LB-X Autocannon/20 with 10 cluster rounds under-slung on right torso. For when things get dicey, a "fire and forget" SRM-6 one-shot launcher above cockpit, just aft of the hatch and only 15 double strength heat sinks. This 'Mech was heavily damaged by the end of the trial and not used by Phelan again.^[27] BV (2.0) = 2,867

J0anna, on 05 October 2016 - 06:58 AM, said:

We also didn't get my Hellbringer (Tycross) Mad Dog (Tukayyid, and others) or my Summoner (used to defeat the Black Widow's Dire Wolf)....

Umm.. We might get the Mad Dog and Hellbringer heroes for the Clan Wave II heroes collection when it arrives.
Tweet Russ about such wishes, use customer support or something, spread the word
Even if we got more then one hero mech for a chassi, it dosent hurt. Just look at the Catapults The Jester and Butterbee or the Dragons Fang and Flame (yeah I know those dragons were indeed PGI creations (?)

Edited by Tordin, 05 October 2016 - 07:07 AM.

[Mark Nicholson]

Vasili Kerensky, on 05 October 2016 - 06:53 AM, said:

We got Jin Mehta's Dire Wolf instead of Natasha's... On top of this insult, not one Dire Wolf variant can be configured to produce the Widowmaker... I challenge a developer of your choice to a Trial of Grievance over this affront.

I accept your challenge. PM me.
(trials of grievance may be totally non binding)

I also argued in favour of a black widow direwolf, but was overruled by reasonable arguments about duplicate hero names. As I'm sure you're aware, there's a Black Widow warhammer already.

[Pariah Devalis]

Mark Nicholson, on 05 October 2016 - 08:24 AM, said:

I accept your challenge. PM me.
(trials of grievance may be totally non binding)

I also argued in favour of a black widow direwolf, but was overruled by reasonable arguments about duplicate hero names. As I'm sure you're aware, there's a Black Widow warhammer already.

That amazing moment when the developer is a higher skill tier than the challenger.

Related note: thank you again for the wonderful design work on the Huntsman's model.

[Bishop Steiner]

Mark Nicholson, on 05 October 2016 - 08:24 AM, said:

I accept your challenge. PM me.
(trials of grievance may be totally non binding)

I also argued in favour of a black widow direwolf, but was overruled by reasonable arguments about duplicate hero names. As I'm sure you're aware, there's a Black Widow warhammer already.

But Mark!!! I DEMAND A Grayson Carlyle Marauder and Victor hero to go with my Shadow Hawk, and forget LEgendkiller and Rhonda Snord.... I demand a Davis McCall Rifleman and Highlander hero set.......

Oh and Lori Kalmar..... You know she got the Shadowhawk later too, and then took over the Victor..... so those too......

Yup...that becomes quite a slippery devil of a slope.

Depending on when we came into the franchise, etc, obviously we have fan favorites we would like to see. But sad truth is, unless we add a half dozen Heros per chassis, we ain't going to be able to. *Shrugs*

Natty-K is most famous, and spent MOST of her career in a Warhammer. In fact she is hands down the most famous Warhammer pilot. Hence, logic dictated Natty K Warhammer. Conversely, she is NOT the most famous DWF jock (for a sticky wicket, that would be Victor Steiner Davion). Plus, if I recall correctly (and I coul dbe misremembering) but can' tone already build the Widowmaker on existing pods?
DWF-Widowmaker
for free?

About the only question mark I really had was that it wasn't a Ranna (later Kerensky) Warhawk, but no biggy.

Edited by Bishop Steiner, 05 October 2016 - 08:41 AM.

[Tarl Cabot]

Pariah Devalis, on 05 October 2016 - 08:28 AM, said:

That amazing moment when the developer is a higher skill tier than the challenger.

Related note: thank you again for the wonderful design work on the Huntsman's model.

Many of PGI showing their tiers are at much lower tiers, so it is nice to see one that is at least in Tier 2 at the moment

[Bradigus]

Mark Nicholson, on 05 October 2016 - 08:24 AM, said:

I also argued in favour of a black widow direwolf, but was overruled by reasonable arguments about duplicate hero names. As I'm sure you're aware, there's a Black Widow warhammer already.

Wait a second, how is that a duplicate name? One is called the Black Widow, and the other would have been called Widowmaker. If anything, that would imply rivalry of some kind between the two.

[Kael Posavatz]

Mark Nicholson, on 05 October 2016 - 08:24 AM, said:

I also argued in favour of a black widow direwolf, but was overruled by reasonable arguments about duplicate hero names. As I'm sure you're aware, there's a Black Widow warhammer already.

And of course it was totally impossible to name it something else that was thematically appropriate.

But again, Vlad used a stock Timberwolf config, Jin used a stock Direwolf config. I cannot remember (and have not found) any textual evidence that Brett Andrews, Barbara Sennet, or Hunter Tseng used their respective mechs, and Mar Helmer piloted a Summoner (Jade Falcon sourcebook). Jin Mehta was mentioned in a scenario pack and hardly had a stand-out role.

On the other hand, there were a lot of stand-outs that were not used. Yes, Aidan Pryde used a Summoner, but his greatest battle was fought in a custom-configured Timberwolf. Joanna defeated Natasha Kerensky in a Summoner. Dianna Pryde used a Warhawk though her early career and a Nova through her latter, and has far more name recognition than Mar Helmer and Hunter Tseng combined.

I mean, the artwork is pretty enough, but why these were chosen...

[J0anna]

Bishop Steiner, on 05 October 2016 - 08:39 AM, said:

About the only question mark I really had was that it wasn't a Ranna (later Kerensky) Warhawk, but no biggy.

Or a Diana Pryde Warhawk (or later Nova) for that matter..... Ranna would have been cool too.

Mark Nicholson, on 05 October 2016 - 08:24 AM, said:

I accept your challenge. PM me.
(trials of grievance may be totally non binding)

I also argued in favour of a black widow direwolf, but was overruled by reasonable arguments about duplicate hero names. As I'm sure you're aware, there's a Black Widow warhammer already.

Mark, for Round II could we please have a Joanna Hellbringer (with hanging spiked gloves cockpit item) or Mad Dog.

Edited by J0anna, 05 October 2016 - 09:21 AM.

[Bishop Steiner]

J0anna, on 05 October 2016 - 09:17 AM, said:

Or a Diana Pryde Warhawk (or later Nova) for that matter..... Ranna would have been cool too.

Yeah they did focus on trying to make Diana the next "It" Character, whereas Ranna was pretty much always pretty window dressing for Phelan. A Pity neither one was (IMO) all that interesting.

Joanna? Yes. Horse? Certainly. But out of SMN jocks, Aidan was the obvious choice.

No what I would love? In the olden days, Dragonlance had a series of Novels under their "Dragonlance Heroes" banner, that covered famed characters liek Kaz the Minotaur, Magius, Huma, Soth, etc.

I would love to see some similar one of novels focusing on on the rise and lives of some of the characters who didn't get as much real "face time" in the primary novels. Even some like Marthe Pryde have HUGE gaps in their stories, and motivations, etc.

Seeing the early years of Candace Liao before she became the arm candy of Justin Xiang in the Warrior Trilogy, Duke Ricol's life story, Kerensky, even the life of Amaris, would all be books I would buy.

Bradigus, on 05 October 2016 - 09:15 AM, said:

Wait a second, how is that a duplicate name? One is called the Black Widow, and the other would have been called Widowmaker. If anything, that would imply rivalry of some kind between the two.

They are famous because they are the same pilot, Natasha Kerensky.

Kael Posavatz, on 05 October 2016 - 09:16 AM, said:

And of course it was totally impossible to name it something else that was thematically appropriate.

But again, Vlad used a stock Timberwolf config, Jin used a stock Direwolf config. I cannot remember (and have not found) any textual evidence that Brett Andrews, Barbara Sennet, or Hunter Tseng used their respective mechs, and Mar Helmer piloted a Summoner (Jade Falcon sourcebook). Jin Mehta was mentioned in a scenario pack and hardly had a stand-out role.

On the other hand, there were a lot of stand-outs that were not used. Yes, Aidan Pryde used a Summoner, but his greatest battle was fought in a custom-configured Timberwolf. Joanna defeated Natasha Kerensky in a Summoner. Dianna Pryde used a Warhawk though her early career and a Nova through her latter, and has far more name recognition than Mar Helmer and Hunter Tseng combined.

I mean, the artwork is pretty enough, but why these were chosen...

In truth, almost every single mech in TT lore was stock. The DWF-Widowmaker was one of the few that was not (along with Cherenkov's Atlas, YLW, etc ).

Dragonslayer, Pretty Baby, Heavy Metal, Gray Death; Pirate's Bane etc were ALL stock mechs in lore.

[J0anna]

Bishop Steiner, on 05 October 2016 - 09:26 AM, said:

Joanna? Yes. Horse? Certainly. But out of SMN jocks, Aidan was the obvious choice.

No Question, From "Bloodname":

Aidan had no worries now. He had piloted Summoner during most of his career as a warrior. In
his trial he had qualified in a Summoner. He knew every move that was possible with this type
of 'Mech. No pilot on this planet, or even in the entire globular cluster of Clan worlds, could
out-fight him in a Summoner.

Nuff Said....

[Juodas Varnas]

Can i instead get Wendall Puritan's Scorpion?
Maybe with the Smithson's Chinese Bandits camo pattern.

Edited by Juodas Varnas, 05 October 2016 - 09:40 AM.

[Bishop Steiner]

Juodas Varnas, on 05 October 2016 - 09:40 AM, said:

Can i instead get Wendall Puritan's Scorpion?
Maybe with the Smithson's Chinese Bandits camo pattern.

Well, I hear you might be able to get it as a tank version in HBS's game......

also.. trying to remember...is Smithson's camo the one that looks like a circus clown? (i kid I kid!!!)

[Karl Streiger]

The game don't need more references to the traitorous widowmaker gen pool.

Didn't Ol'Ker died in a classic DWF - A?
Well the ara militaris are never very accurate when telling stories - always bolster they own ability - hoax and hyperboles through out their full history only second to the welps.

Blood of traitors - formed by the vision of a mad man - pretty sure they invented the dart board of balance

[Mystere]

Vasili Kerensky, on 05 October 2016 - 06:53 AM, said:

I challenge a developer of your choice to a Trial of Grievance over this affront.

Mark Nicholson, on 05 October 2016 - 08:24 AM, said:

I accept your challenge.

Does anyone need a kaishakunin?

[Cy Mitchell]

Vasili Kerensky, on 05 October 2016 - 06:53 AM, said:

I challenge a developer of your choice to a Trial of Grievance over this affront.

Mark Nicholson, on 05 October 2016 - 08:24 AM, said:

I accept your challenge. PM me.

That was the coolest thing to happen on this forum in a while. Now, make it happen!

[Bishop Steiner]

Karl Streiger, on 05 October 2016 - 09:45 AM, said:

The game don't need more references to the traitorous widowmaker gen pool.

Didn't Ol'Ker died in a classic DWF - A?
Well the ara militaris are never very accurate when telling stories - always bolster they own ability - hoax and hyperboles through out their full history only second to the welps.

Blood of traitors - formed by the vision of a mad man - pretty sure they invented the dart board of balance

Paul Kerensky does have a certain ring to it.....

[Juodas Varnas]

Bishop Steiner, on 05 October 2016 - 09:41 AM, said:

Well, I hear you might be able to get it as a tank version in HBS's game......

also.. trying to remember...is Smithson's camo the one that looks like a circus clown? (i kid I kid!!!)

Well, i mean...
The original picture of their colours is a bit... Garish


But according to the Field Manual: Mercenaries, their camo pattern should be green with golden stripes.
The picture's not mine, but it does portray a Wasp and Scorpion in the revised Smithson's Chinese Bandits colours.