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[Flyby215]

Appogee, on 11 October 2016 - 03:51 AM, said:

Heads up that this is a classic 'something happened* to me while I was playing today and I want to vent in the forums in the mistaken belief that it might cause the MWO playerbase to play better' thread

I have lost so many matches this week due to large proportions of teams hiding behind rocks and not engaging during the main battle. I and fellow experienced fighters regularly got our team a 3 kill advantage... only to have the team lose the match due to several hundred tons of team mates standing 800m away from the battle, hiding behind rocks, taking very occasional pot shots into the melee.

Dear hiders:

All you are doing is let the enemy fight two consecutive 12v6 skirmishes. It's a guaranteed losing strategy. The first half of us actually engaging - intelligently, using cover, flanking and not yoloing - will inevitably be overwhelmed by the 12 enemy fighting us. Then we have to watch helplessly as you, in your undamaged heavy Mechs, waaaaay waaaaay back from the battle, manage a couple of futile final shots before also getting focused down by the enemy 12v6.

You have tons of armor. You can accord to take a few hits while you are shooting. Move with the group, use cover ... but also keep pressure on the enemy by shooting them! If we ALL take a few hits, while firing back together, we can win.

Russ gave you armor and weapons. But only you can bring the balls necessary to use these gifts.





* This isn't just some 'last game' phenomenon. It's been happening for the past few days. I can't see why the current event would be causing people to play this way. These people are less likely to get a KMD at the last minute, facing overwhelming enemies, than if they'd just moved up and fought with the rest of us.

It's matchmaker's fault!

*runs and hides*

[Appogee]

The traditional response to a thread like this is: "oh, you must be ramboing into the enemy team and dying early".

But nah, that's not the case. In between the opposite extremes of "Hiding-and-Dying" and "Leeroy-Jenkins-Idiocy" is the clever way to play ... move with the main bulk of the team, sensibly use cover, flank and attacking where the enemy are weakest, and keep the pressure on them.

The problem I am addressing in this thread is that half the team just isn't moving or shooting at all. Even when the rest of us who are playing sensibly put the team well in front, we lose because the hiders stayed put and didn't contribute when we needed them.

Paigan, on 11 October 2016 - 04:26 AM, said:

However, if you just storm forward how you think is best and then complain why noone is doing exactely what you do exactely when you do it, the error is, well, yours. Not theirs.

No, as just explained above, I don't do that.

Paigan, on 11 October 2016 - 04:26 AM, said:

...have you ever thought about that you might be the premature brawling suicider, ruining the match for your team and letting those with the proper position fight a 6vs9 battle after you're dead?

No, it's not that, honestly. Anyone who plays with me regularly knows I am not prematurely brawling.

If anything, I'm a little too conservative, ironically. This is why I get 7-kill games but never the 8th

Edited by Appogee, 11 October 2016 - 09:23 AM.

[Deathlike]

You can't really convince scared players to push. You're almost better off telling them that if they aren't going to push, they are going to be cannon fodder.

It won't get you friends, but you might get better results. You have to turn the basic logic against them, so that they respond differently (not necessarily better).

Hiding is only good if you have a firing line set up... and most teams constructed by the MM are incapable of this anyways.

[Appogee]

UnofficialOperator, on 11 October 2016 - 04:37 AM, said:

PS: And you consistently have a very much better win rate as a light mech pilot across past seasons. Maybe just stick to that after event is over

Interesting. I never looked at that previously. But I spend most of my time in MWO levelling Mechs in the PUG queue, and some of my time "meta-ing up" when I play with my unit.

So my stats would be a mishmash of levelling crappy Mechs and some meta-mech high level play. Probably not a good indicator when both of those are mixed together in one set of numbers.

Edited by Appogee, 11 October 2016 - 09:26 AM.

[Appogee]

El Bandito, on 11 October 2016 - 06:10 AM, said:

On the other hand, I had a guy on my team who went alone towards the enemy in Frozen City, promptly died, and then had the gall to type "Seems I am the only guy with a ****". Yeah, he had a **** alright--in place of his brain! Blind courage is not bravery, it is idiocy.

Yeah, we've all seen those guys. I suspect they are deliberately dying fast to farm XP. But they are just making the team lose a different way.

But as I explained in post above, that's not what I'm doing.

Edited by Appogee, 11 October 2016 - 09:27 AM.

[SmithMPBT]

Lots of stat padders out there slow engaging, trying to up their K/D ratios for e-peen purposes. The ladies love a BIG KDR.

[Gladius Vittoris]

Appogee, on 11 October 2016 - 03:51 AM, said:

* This isn't just some 'last game' phenomenon. It's been happening for the past few days. I can't see why the current event would be causing people to play this way. These people are less likely to get a KMD at the last minute, facing overwhelming enemies, than if they'd just moved up and fought with the rest of us.

Yep, many many players cannot understand how this works.
You get a KMD is you pump dmg!!! The more you hide the less you can pump...it's NOT about kill.
Imo they get confused by the words most damage KILL: they think they must kill ..... so they hide thinking to attack in the end of the match while everybody is critical...LOL

[Appogee]

So I just saw Paigan in a match.

I'm levelling a Nova with 6SPL+5MG... ultra short range and situational. It's the beginning of the match am I'm at the back of the pack trying to work out how to get close enough to shoot something.

Paigan says "Appogee, you hider you ;-)".

PMSL. It was a fair cop (kind of)!

(But hopefully also disproved that I am some kind of kamikaze derper )

Edited by Appogee, 11 October 2016 - 11:27 AM.

[Moldur]

It's like you found a secret tier 6 or something...

[Dee Eight]

Hunka Junk, on 11 October 2016 - 08:43 AM, said:

Honestly, advice is often at odds with itself.

On one hand, everybody should push,

On the other, wherever LRMs enter the discussion, they are the weakest weapon because there's always a rock to hide behind.

Until I shift 100 meters right and then you need to find a new rock.