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[Gas Guzzler]

Seriously... the arms are so enormous and that is where all the weapons are. Truly a terrible design, but since we can't expect any remodeling, maybe we can get more durability on those arms? Its not like it has any worthwhile weapon quirks anyway...

[Captain Stiffy]

Most mechs with only arm weapons unless they have something else super awesome about them or fill a specific niche are really bad.

This could be alleviated by allowing for arm actuator override so mechs with actual arms can trade out arm reflex for higher weapon positioning.

But it won't be.

[Tristan Winter]

omg its so stupid to have a mech with most or all of its weapons in its huge arms, wat did u expect? u cant fix this with quirks, it will never be a good mechs no matter what. u should have known this before u bought it.

what do u want, +16 structure and +16 armor in the arms? u can't give medium mechs quirks like that, bro. its not PGIs fault.

Spoiler

Edited by Tristan Winter, 15 October 2016 - 08:47 AM.

[Mcgral18]

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[Tristan Winter]

Mcgral18, on 15 October 2016 - 08:51 AM, said:

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[FLG 01]

Gas Guzzler, on 15 October 2016 - 08:09 AM, said:

Its not like it has any worthwhile weapon quirks anyway...

....Which I think is the greater problem. I love playing the Phoenix Hawk and if I had to name its greatest weakness it would be arm-mounted weapons too, but by the time I lose an arm my Mech is usually shot up badly anyway.
What's far more frustating for me and my playstyle is the overheating. This Mech only runs well with energy weapons, so give it heat gen quirks to use them properly. (And, for the record, those AC-builds are horrible).

[Peter Townsend]

Tristan Winter, on 15 October 2016 - 08:47 AM, said:

omg its so stupid to have a mech with most or all of its weapons in its huge arms, wat did u expect? u cant fix this with quirks, it will never be a good mechs no matter what. u should have known this before u bought it.

what do u want, +16 structure and +16 armor in the arms? u can't give medium mechs quirks like that, bro. its not PGIs fault.

Spoiler

Maybe look at the quirks on the new cataphract, and say yes, we do

[Steve Pryde]

I'm with you. It has such big arms and all weapons in it. It's like a Mist Lynx there u shoot of arms and it's useless.

[Bud Crue]

Tristan Winter, on 15 October 2016 - 08:47 AM, said:

omg its so stupid to have a mech with most or all of its weapons in its huge arms, wat did u expect? u cant fix this with quirks, it will never be a good mechs no matter what. u should have known this before u bought it.

what do u want, +16 structure and +16 armor in the arms? u can't give medium mechs quirks like that, bro. its not PGIs fault.

You jumped to the slightly bigger example of the Centurion. My mind went to the 10 ton lighter Panther. Don't have the client up atm but I think its gun arm actually has more total armor than either of the Phoenix Hawks arms...again at 10 tons lighter.

(I may be thinking pre PH quirk but I know they are close).

Edit: Aw crap I just realized that PGI will now probably just nerf the Cataphract, Centurion, and Panther in light of the comments above. Great.

Edited by Bud Crue, 15 October 2016 - 10:46 AM.

[Alienized]

Mcgral18, on 15 October 2016 - 08:51 AM, said:

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i guess they all turn out to be utter useless, sh*t and we never see anything of those announcements. i, for my part, had to pull the trigger and never touch MWO again.
after all the miserable fails of the past months i just hope this game gets bought away from PGI.

the phoenix hawk was just another disappointment from them. another fragile mech without the abilities to be any good apart from a fast skirmisher that gets ripped by literally all clanmechs, not to mention the PPFLD now that clans have.

tell me one reason to even bother about this game ever again. i had such bad battles with such hard imbalance than i cant imagine when it was worse. not even closed beta was as bad. not even the time as clans first came in where IS really struggled.
and what do we get? a bushwacker that will be just as useless as a phoenix hawk.

[Gas Guzzler]

Alienized, on 15 October 2016 - 10:50 AM, said:

i guess they all turn out to be utter useless, sh*t and we never see anything of those announcements. i, for my part, had to pull the trigger and never touch MWO again.
after all the miserable fails of the past months i just hope this game gets bought away from PGI.

the phoenix hawk was just another disappointment from them. another fragile mech without the abilities to be any good apart from a fast skirmisher that gets ripped by literally all clanmechs, not to mention the PPFLD now that clans have.

tell me one reason to even bother about this game ever again. i had such bad battles with such hard imbalance than i cant imagine when it was worse. not even closed beta was as bad. not even the time as clans first came in where IS really struggled.
and what do we get? a bushwacker that will be just as useless as a phoenix hawk.

The Bushwacker will be the first medium that can bring 3 AC5s with an XL engine. That's cool. The balance isn't that bad, the Kodiak is the only real outlier on the OP side.

If anything is going to drive me away from the game, its going to be that Energy Draw is terrible.

[Bud Crue]

Alienized, on 15 October 2016 - 10:50 AM, said:

tell me one reason to even bother about this game ever again.

Cuz its still the only game with even a hint of BT or MW. That alone would probably be enough for many (alas). And as bad as it may be, I still think it can be a lot of fun when played in groups.

[Alienized]

Gas Guzzler, on 15 October 2016 - 10:55 AM, said:

The Bushwacker will be the first medium that can bring 3 AC5s with an XL engine. That's cool. The balance isn't that bad, the Kodiak is the only real outlier on the OP side.

If anything is going to drive me away from the game, its going to be that Energy Draw is terrible.

3 ac5, lots of ammo that cant be stored on a XL dying instantly as soon as the ammo dies.
low AC hardpoints that have to expose most of the mech. theres nothing worthwile on that.
it has to use mainly ammo consuming weapons and therefore its a walking ammobox easy to kill per ammo explosion. a KDK-3 just has to stare at it. a night gyr with dual gauss + ppc will propably one shot it.

naa.

Bud Crue, on 15 October 2016 - 10:57 AM, said:

Cuz its still the only game with even a hint of BT or MW. That alone would probably be enough for many (alas). And as bad as it may be, I still think it can be a lot of fun when played in groups.

this game isnt battletech. its a CoD with robots. the players are as bad and dumb like they are there. the gameplay is nothing different.

this aint battletech just because it has the mechs of it.

its an abomination of it.

[FupDup]

Alienized, on 15 October 2016 - 11:01 AM, said:

this game isnt battletech. its a CoD with robots. the players are as bad and dumb like they are there. the gameplay is nothing different.

this aint battletech just because it has the mechs of it.

its an abomination of it.

Have you actually played Call of Duty?

[Alienized]

FupDup, on 15 October 2016 - 11:02 AM, said:

Have you actually played Call of Duty?

i have. sadly.

[Gas Guzzler]

Alienized, on 15 October 2016 - 11:01 AM, said:

its a CoD with robots.

Warning. Credibility at 0%.

[Bud Crue]

Alienized, on 15 October 2016 - 11:01 AM, said:

this game isnt battletech. its a CoD with robots. the players are as bad and dumb like they are there. the gameplay is nothing different.

this aint battletech just because it has the mechs of it.

its an abomination of it.

No it certainly isn't Battletech nor is it really Mechwarrior. It merely has a faint whiff of both games in its stench.
That certainly isn't enough for some folks and with this I sympathize and understand, but like I said, in a group it can still be fun and that is after all what I play games for...the fun. When it ceases to be that, then I will certainly call it a day and move on (like so many seem to be).

[FupDup]

Alienized, on 15 October 2016 - 11:04 AM, said:

i have. sadly.

How long ago and for how long?

I can assure you that the gameplay is not even close.

[Alienized]

Gas Guzzler, on 15 October 2016 - 11:05 AM, said:

Warning. Credibility at 0%.

if it might have changed that much from what it was when i played, then kudos. it done miles better than this game and i propably should just get CoD again of wasting time where im stuck in the tier 1 bucket of endless tryhard carrying of pugs that got no brain

Edited by Alienized, 15 October 2016 - 11:08 AM.

[Gas Guzzler]

Alienized, on 15 October 2016 - 11:06 AM, said:

if it might have changed that much from what it was when i played, then kudos. it done miles better than this game and i propably should just get CoD again of wasting time where im stuck in the tier 1 bucket of endless tryhard carrying of pugs that got no brain

So all the tryhards are on the other team, and all the brainless pugs are on your team? That sounds like a personal problem. Although I agree that Call of Duty has been vastly more successful than this game, probably because they don't have a community that begs the developer to make the game easier all the time or try to stick to a board game/novel series source because shockingly enough, that doesn't really apply to a first person shooter, which is why all MechWarrior games have deviated from BattleTech significantly.