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[Redwo1f]

...didn't realize it was this bad! They had 4 thousand and change players December 2015, and there has been a continual overall downward trend since then, till now where there is only 1 thousand and change players. That is only 25% of what they used to have. Wow.

Suggests that directions they have been taking have not gained new players nor been enough for many to keep playing.

...maybe a little less cash cow mech grabs and a little more substance needed...

[LordKnightFandragon]

Der. PVE, more depth and purpose to PVP missions.

The remakes of the maps are nice-ish, but yeah, can only spam mekpaks at people for so long. The game gets boring when all your doing is 12v12 TDMs every game...

[RestosIII]

Redwo1f, on 18 October 2016 - 12:53 PM, said:

substance

We're getting mech packs and ED, and you're going to like it!

[Deathlike]

Redwo1f, on 18 October 2016 - 12:53 PM, said:

...didn't realize it was this bad! They had 4 thousand and change players December 2015, and there has been a continual overall downward trend since then, till now where there is only 1 thousand and change players. That is only 25% of what they used to have. Wow.

Suggests that directions they have been taking have not gained new players nor been enough for many to keep playing.

...maybe a little less cash cow mech grabs and a little more substance needed...

That's why they have been doing events all day every day.

They need you here... for some reason.

[Mcgral18]

There is that whole new Steam player thing


That drops off, on any game




We're a niche community, and we have to deal with that
Unfortunately, PGI also refuses to communicate, and make repeated poor decisions, that probably doesn't help new player attraction or retention

Edited by Mcgral18, 18 October 2016 - 01:09 PM.

[Deathlike]

Mcgral18, on 18 October 2016 - 01:08 PM, said:

There is that whole new Steam player thing


That drops off, on any game




We're a niche community, and we have to deal with that
Unfortunately, PGI also refuses to communicate, and make repeated poor decisions, that probably doesn't help new player attraction or retention

There's no such thing as the NPE.

You have to be thrown to the wolves or burned at the stake a few times before you actually "live".

It's OK, PGI has many different mechpacks for any and every occasion. Would you like one?

[razenWing]

PVE needs to be done in a careful manner. Just casually throwing a campaign in there would probably see a slight increase, with most people playing the campaign then quit.

You need like Co-Op elements, and even then... the PVP element will inevitably suffer. I don't know. It's a trade-off. While I enjoy the PVP style right now, if there's a PVE mode, that's probably all I'll play.

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So I guess my point is, there's really no way to bring more people to play PVP (unless they are willing to push hard for marketing), which is one aspect of the game that desperately needs an influx of new players.

Edited by razenWing, 18 October 2016 - 01:16 PM.

[LordKnightFandragon]

Deathlike, on 18 October 2016 - 01:10 PM, said:

There's no such thing as the NPE.

You have to be thrown to the wolves or burned at the stake a few times before you actually "live".

It's OK, PGI has many different mechpacks for any and every occasion. Would you like one?

Yes, and new players love nothing more then to get into a game, using stock garbage, and be melted game after game after game. Nothing is more fun in a game then looking at the "you died" screen before you even get a chance to do anything.

razenWing, on 18 October 2016 - 01:15 PM, said:

PVE needs to be done in a careful manner. Just casually throwing a campaign in there would probably see a slight increase, with most people playing the campaign then quit.

You need like Co-Op elements, and even then... the PVP element will inevitably suffer. I don't know. It's a trade-off. While I enjoy the PVP style right now, if there's a PVE mode, that's probably all I'll play.

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So I guess my point is, there's really no way to bring more people to play PVP (unless they are willing to push hard for marketing), which is one aspect of the game that desperately needs an influx of new players.

HBS I think is going to make PVE properly. Randomly generated missions and maps. THey do that well, randomly generated missions, maps and all that jazz, the game will have nearly endless replay value.

A Scripted PVE campaign in this game will probably end up like ARmored Warfare, half ***, lacking alot of depth, and being fun for awhile, but ending up being kinda boring after awhile.

Non-theless, id play it.

Edited by LordKnightFandragon, 18 October 2016 - 01:25 PM.

[mariomanz28]

Yet we still have more (online) players than No Man's Sky lol

Edited by mariomanz28, 18 October 2016 - 01:30 PM.

[cazidin]

Mcgral18, on 18 October 2016 - 01:08 PM, said:

There is that whole new Steam player thing


That drops off, on any game




We're a niche community, and we have to deal with that
Unfortunately, PGI also refuses to communicate, and make repeated poor decisions, that probably doesn't help new player attraction or retention

And yet, was not PGI's goal behind the steam release to dramatically increase the playerbase, bring new players to the game and grow? As it stands, this was a minor burst in population which is now on a downward trend - for both Steam and non-Steam users. Negative growth isn't just an oxymoron, it's bad for business.

[Red Shrike]

mariomanz28, on 18 October 2016 - 01:30 PM, said:

Yet we still have more (online) players than No Man's Sky lol

But NMS doesn't have mult- oh, oooohh. You sly fox.

[Bilbo]

cazidin, on 18 October 2016 - 01:30 PM, said:

And yet, was not PGI's goal behind the steam release to dramatically increase the playerbase, bring new players to the game and grow? As it stands, this was a minor burst in population which is now on a downward trend - for both Steam and non-Steam users. Negative growth isn't just an oxymoron, it's bad for business.

According to Russ' twitter, the pop has increased since summer. You can decide if you believe it or not. I've picked up many F2P games through Steam to check them out though, and I don't play any of them through Steam if there is another option. I don't see any reason to have an extraneous client running in the background.

[JC Daxion]

almost 2k players online in steam alone right now.. at barely into prime time during the week.. I'd call that a decent amount, Sure it would be great if 10k people played daily.. and actually maybe they do.. People typically don't play this game past a few hours at a time. It's an older crowd, not filled with people that game 12-14 hours a day.

[Redwo1f]

Regardless steam players or not, that downward sloping long term trend line and the amount it has fallen suggest a serious concern. And yes, Russ can claim an increase from the summer (but that was very short term and reasonably small (at least steam stats (doesn't include non-steam)), but long term trend line looks really bad.

[JediPanther]

We warned them going to steam and not allowing user made content with steam work shop was one of the stupidest things they could do. I buy a lot of games on steam and one major selling point are the mods and additions of user made content. For example Skyrim. I love having Inigo vs all the standard npc companions.

[Redwo1f]

Ah yes Skyrim (God I have modded mine to an incredible immersive world)...but idk how one could even allow much modding through steamworks on an online game and maintain balance (???). Paint schemes and decaling maybe, but don't see much else you could do without jeopardizing fair play.

Anyway, it isn't too much of a stretch to suggest that majority of "new" players come from steam, and as the tale tells...well...

Edited by Redwo1f, 18 October 2016 - 02:48 PM.

[MauttyKoray]

Redwo1f, on 18 October 2016 - 12:53 PM, said:

...didn't realize it was this bad! They had 4 thousand and change players December 2015, and there has been a continual overall downward trend since then, till now where there is only 1 thousand and change players. That is only 25% of what they used to have. Wow.

Suggests that directions they have been taking have not gained new players nor been enough for many to keep playing.

...maybe a little less cash cow mech grabs and a little more substance needed...

-coughs-

You mean like EVERY OTHER new F2P game on steam? The numbers probably aren't exactly alike, but most F2Ps start with a large number of people and slowly dwindle to a more constant number.

[TLBFestus]

Here's some more,

https://steamdb.info.../342200/graphs/

In particular take a look about half way down, at the "Players in the Last Year" chart. Pretty steady decline that seems to have leveled out (for now?).

I suppose if they can make money with that level of player base, the game will continue to plod along. That assumes that for every whale that burns out and stops spending a new one comes along to replace them.

[Snowbluff]

Poor data analyst is poor data analyst.

The sudden drop of is to be expected, and the game has stabilized since then. For the past 4 months it has been more or less the same. It'll be like this for a while. Averaging 1000 players isn't too bad.

[Rabid Imp]

well when all you do pretty much is make new mechs to sell and revamp maps then people get bored...