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[Tristan Winter]

I still haven't seen more than 1 or 2 Loyalty Summoners after the patch.

Did the new omnipods lead to some new and effective builds? Or are people still just running it like a PPC poptart?

EDIT: Also, is this a bug or a feature?

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Edited by Tristan Winter, 23 October 2016 - 12:45 PM.

[Deathlike]

Tristan Winter, on 23 October 2016 - 12:43 PM, said:

I still haven't seen more than 1 or 2 Loyalty Summoners after the patch.

Did the new omnipods lead to some new and effective builds? Or are people still just running it like a PPC poptart?

EDIT: Also, is this a bug or a feature?

Spoiler

The Summoner was still a niche thing, and remember it's only 2 CERPPCs. You could kinda do the same with a Nova but better (with the energy side torsos to a degree).

I can't quite tell if that's a feature or an error (were there camo adjustments to the Summoner or something?). I couldn't give you heads or tails on that.

[Tarogato]

Seems bloody strong to me - with the addition of the high PPCs mounts I'd say it's roughly tied for best heavy in the game at the moment. Sure, the NTG and TBR can add an additional gauss, but they can't poptart, tank, or just *move* like the SMN does. I've been seeing them everywhere, and they're a the stuff of nightmares, lol. Every where you go there's a pair of PPCs hitting you from angles you don't expect and you can never have fast enough reaction times to peg them because of their super high mounts.

Maybe I'm slightly salty that I won't be able to use them for a whole year.

[Wrathful Scythe]

The new Summoner runs damn well with 2 ERPPCs. Havn't had the most time to play it, cause of the Huntsmen..... Huntsman's? Anyway, it's a blast now. Fast firing high mounted ERPPCs that stay kinda cool is really amazing. Also, if you don't like ERPPCs, you can go with 6 MPL or other vomit builds, though the quirks just scream for ERPPCs.

10 Matches on record. While I lost 7 matches due to potatoe-teammates, I still managed to hold a KD ratio of 2.17 and average damage of 677 with 2 ERPPCs.

[Tristan Winter]

Tarogato, on 23 October 2016 - 12:55 PM, said:

Seems bloody strong to me - with the addition of the high PPCs mounts I'd say it's roughly tied for best heavy in the game at the moment. Sure, the NTG and TBR can add an additional gauss, but they can't poptart, tank, or just *move* like the SMN does. I've been seeing them everywhere, and they're a the stuff of nightmares, lol. Every where you go there's a pair of PPCs hitting you from angles you don't expect and you can never have fast enough reaction times to peg them because of their super high mounts.

Maybe I'm slightly salty that I won't be able to use them for a whole year.

Not the change I was hoping for, but interesting none the less!

Wrathful Scythe, on 23 October 2016 - 12:56 PM, said:

The new Summoner runs damn well with 2 ERPPCs. Havn't had the most time to play it, cause of the Huntsmen..... Huntsman's? Anyway, it's a blast now. Fast firing high mounted ERPPCs that stay kinda cool is really amazing. Also, if you don't like ERPPCs, you can go with 6 MPL or other vomit builds, though the quirks just scream for ERPPCs.

10 Matches on record. While I lost 7 matches due to potatoe-teammates, I still managed to hold a KD ratio of 2.17 and average damage of 677 with 2 ERPPCs.

This seems like it would run relatively cool. Or is it too fragile?

http://mwo.smurfy-ne...6fde30eea473a05

[Zieten]

I like it a lot, too. I'm not exactly great at PPC-sniping but I can do consistenly well in the Summoner (except on maps in which you can't use your range at all). 2 PPCs isnt exactly impressive damage, but it fires fast and with a TC the projectile speed makes hitting targets pretty easy.

[Mcgral18]

Deathlike, on 23 October 2016 - 12:49 PM, said:

The Summoner was still a niche thing, and remember it's only 2 CERPPCs. You could kinda do the same with a Nova but better (with the energy side torsos to a degree).

I can't quite tell if that's a feature or an error (were there camo adjustments to the Summoner or something?). I couldn't give you heads or tails on that.

Like the Nova, but faster, with better mounts, better agility, and better cooling


Much heavier, but it seems solid
The arm mounts were good, even with the Gorilla characteristics. I can only imagine what the nipples are like
It's a sub 3s cooldown on the Summoner, too, no? Or thereabouts. 3.32s without quirks (if it has 10%, it goes to 2.92s)

[Wrathful Scythe]

This is how I run mine.




But if you want to go with more heat sinks, go for it. Even less heat problems. I prefer my ERPPCs wicked fast.

[Blue Boutique]

You might want to get some backup weapons for close encounters like 4 small lasers in the arms or a pair of SRM4.

[Mcgral18]

Blue Boutique, on 23 October 2016 - 01:09 PM, said:

You might want to get some backup weapons for close encounters like 4 small lasers in the arms or a pair of SRM4.

Then you don't get 2 KM/s ERPPCs, and fewer heatsinks

[Angel of Annihilation]

Well they would be great but since you can't purchase the (L) omnipods if you didn't get the loyalty mechs the vast majority of Summoner owners are still stuck with the same old subpar mech.

I finally ended up selling all mine.

[Deathlike]

Mcgral18, on 23 October 2016 - 01:06 PM, said:

Like the Nova, but faster, with better mounts, better agility, and better cooling


Much heavier, but it seems solid
The arm mounts were good, even with the Gorilla characteristics. I can only imagine what the nipples are like
It's a sub 3s cooldown on the Summoner, too, no? Or thereabouts. 3.32s without quirks (if it has 10%, it goes to 2.92s)

I know, but since I don't have the omnipods... the Nova is going to serve me better for now.

[Ghogiel]

It's top tier IF you poptart with it with the high mounts.

Right now only the NTG and TBR can compete with it in a similar role, and the TBR is basically surpassed in that role because SMN wont be taking much dmg from the KDKs in trades due to being able to position so well and expose so little. It would get tons of use in MRBC if it was allowed.

[Bishop Steiner]

Mcgral18, on 23 October 2016 - 01:06 PM, said:

Like the Nova, but faster, with better mounts, better agility, and better cooling


Much heavier, but it seems solid
The arm mounts were good, even with the Gorilla characteristics. I can only imagine what the nipples are like
It's a sub 3s cooldown on the Summoner, too, no? Or thereabouts. 3.32s without quirks (if it has 10%, it goes to 2.92s)

yay. First Stump Armed Nipple Gun disease ruined my Warhammer..now it's claiming the Summoner.

Come Quickly Battletech Beta invite... they've managed to pervert the last thing I held sacred in MWO......

[Ultimax]

Deathlike, on 23 October 2016 - 12:49 PM, said:

The Summoner was still a niche thing, and remember it's only 2 CERPPCs. You could kinda do the same with a Nova but better (with the energy side torsos to a degree).

I can't quite tell if that's a feature or an error (were there camo adjustments to the Summoner or something?). I couldn't give you heads or tails on that.

Even with Nova's quirks the HBK-IIC is the better CERPPC poptart.

The Summoner is the bigger, more heavily armored version of both of them.

It doesn't gain a higher alpha, but it has better velocity than both of them mount locations as good as the HBK, -heat, +CD, etc.

Whatever it loses in being bigger than them, it gains in raw armor - and it's fast and agile as either of them.



It went from being a wet fart, to one of the more fun builds I play - I think it's better than every IS heavy mech that isn't a Warhammer 6D/6R/BW or a GRH with ERLLAS (and I even prefer the WHM for that when I don't need JJs).

[Cy Mitchell]

I chose not to spend the $40 needed to upgrade my Kodiak and Viper to qualify for the "free" Summoner so I have no first hand experience other than facing a couple in game. I did see a certain lady streamer tearing it up in one last night, 600-900 damage and 3-6 kills seemed the norm for her in the beast.

Once they change all the omni-pod quirks to "set of 8" in the next two months, the Summoner will lose either its velocity quirk or its dual high hardpoints when trying to make a erPPC build.

Edited by Rampage, 23 October 2016 - 03:37 PM.

[Mechteric]

2 ER PPCs just isn't enough weapons for a heavy mech, I would barely consider it enough for the likes of a Nova, let alone a mech that is 20 tons heavier.

[Xocoyol Zaraoul]

CapperDeluxe, on 23 October 2016 - 03:54 PM, said:

2 ER PPCs just isn't enough weapons for a heavy mech, I would barely consider it enough for the likes of a Nova, let alone a mech that is 20 tons heavier.

Yet with the build (I have tried it myself) it works like a charm pumping out 600+ damage matches. Extremely fast RoF, fast and accurate projectiles, and the fact that it's actually 30 damage per salvo and not 20 (Remember the splash that clan ERPPCs get), and it's a proper hill humping sniper.

[N0ni]

Running 2 LPL 3 Meds on my M, is it wrong that i like that build on the Summoner rather than anything else?

17 matches in and its averages are rivaling some of my Gyrs.

Without those good pods i guarantee it wouldn't be as good.

[Deathlike]

Ultimax, on 23 October 2016 - 03:34 PM, said:

Even with Nova's quirks the HBK-IIC is the better CERPPC poptart.

The Summoner is the bigger, more heavily armored version of both of them.

It doesn't gain a higher alpha, but it has better velocity than both of them mount locations as good as the HBK, -heat, +CD, etc.

Whatever it loses in being bigger than them, it gains in raw armor - and it's fast and agile as either of them.



It went from being a wet fart, to one of the more fun builds I play - I think it's better than every IS heavy mech that isn't a Warhammer 6D/6R/BW or a GRH with ERLLAS (and I even prefer the WHM for that when I don't need JJs).

I haven't gotten around to it (using the Hunchback IIC PPC build)... dunno, I like the Nova more for it at the moment.