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[TheArisen]

Bombast, on 28 October 2016 - 01:06 PM, said:

If meta is your concern (Not mine) it's a 55 ton jump capable mech with 4 missile locations, that could, potentially, have a variant or two with hard point inflation (6 Missile Hard Points). Closest thing right now (That I'm aware of) is the Griffin GRF-2N (Jump Jets and 4 Missile Hard Points, but only two locations) and the Trebuchet TBT-LG (Jump Capable, 4 Missile Hard Points, 4 Locations, but 5 tons light and behind a pay wall).

But meta isn't my concern, really. A luxury available to people who aren't going to shell out a dime no matter what.



It is, admittedly, a 'Primitive' Dervish DV-1S. Of course, the fact the Dervish is old enough to have a primitive version is just another point in it's favor.

I'm not a meta hunter, I just prefer mechs not be junk worthy like the Vindicator or Panther.

However, ×6 srm4 would be fun if it could fit reasonably.

[Weeny Machine]

I bet it is no light mech

[Quicksilver Aberration]

Bombast, on 28 October 2016 - 01:06 PM, said:

If meta is your concern (Not mine) it's a 55 ton jump capable mech with 4 missile locations, that could, potentially, have a variant or two with hard point inflation (6 Missile Hard Points). Closest thing right now (That I'm aware of) is the Griffin GRF-2N (Jump Jets and 4 Missile Hard Points, but only two locations) and the Trebuchet TBT-LG (Jump Capable, 4 Missile Hard Points, 4 Locations, but 5 tons light and behind a pay wall).

Just putting this out there, but as far as the meta is concerned, hardpoint placement and clustering matters far more than hardpoint count past a certain point. Even if the TBT-LG was 5 tons heavier, the Griffin would still be better all thanks to hardpoint placement.

I don't really care either way, just wanted to clear that up a bit.

Edited by Quicksilver Kalasa, 28 October 2016 - 02:03 PM.

[Y E O N N E]

Johnny Z, on 28 October 2016 - 07:54 AM, said:

Maybe the next Inner Sphere mech will be the Valkyrie, Sting, or Wasp. Anyone mentioned those yet?

Say no to tinier, suckier Phoenix Hawks.

Needz moar chikin...

Edited by Yeonne Greene, 28 October 2016 - 02:36 PM.

[TheArisen]

Yeonne Greene, on 28 October 2016 - 02:36 PM, said:

Say no to tinier, suckier Phoenix Hawks.

Needz moar chikin...

Seriously, they'll be bad even for their tonnage. The Locust would be better than either Wasp or Stinger & the Javelin is better in every single way than the Valkyrie.

[Mole]

TheArisen, on 28 October 2016 - 02:50 PM, said:

Seriously, they'll be bad even for their tonnage. The Locust would be better than either Wasp or Stinger & the Javelin is better in every single way than the Valkyrie.

Be that as it may, I'm chill with whatever they want to add if it's under 35 tons. I'm desperate enough for a new light 'mech I'll even take an Ostscout and like it.

[Barantor]

TheArisen, on 28 October 2016 - 02:50 PM, said:

Seriously, they'll be bad even for their tonnage. The Locust would be better than either Wasp or Stinger & the Javelin is better in every single way than the Valkyrie.

I'm wondering about that. The Wasp is a JJ capable 20 tonner, we don't currently have a humanoid 20 ton humanoid shaped mech, the closest we have is a commando, which isn't jump capable.

Now lets think about the speed of a locust, without the legs being as big, and an even thinner torso sections.. it might be alright, not mind shattering, but ok. If it could be armed with an ER large like the Locust has then you have a sniper that doesn't have to show it's whole body to shoot and can peek around corners better.

Again, not amazing, but if done right it could be as good as the locust, maybe even a hair better.

The Valkyrie on the other hand would be similar to the Spider, but probably slightly bigger arms and the ability to carry missiles on variants that aren't a hero. The Javelin on the other hand is very different than both the Spider and the Valkyrie and would have options more kin to the Oxide Jenner and the Firestarter (energy variant).

Mole, on 28 October 2016 - 02:57 PM, said:

Be that as it may, I'm chill with whatever they want to add if it's under 35 tons. I'm desperate enough for a new light 'mech I'll even take an Ostscout and like it.

I think the only way we would get an Ostscout were if it had some sort of advanced sensors or free BAP type thing, sort of like the Cyclops.

Edited by Barantor, 28 October 2016 - 03:02 PM.

[Quicksilver Aberration]

Barantor, on 28 October 2016 - 03:00 PM, said:

If it could be armed with an ER large like the Locust has then you have a sniper that doesn't have to show it's whole body to shoot and can peek around corners better.

Again, not amazing, but if done right it could be as good as the locust, maybe even a hair better.

Depends on the size of the arms, since it would have the laser in the arm it means it is easily neutered which is one of the major problems of the Mist Lynx. Not to mention it will be slower than the Spider and Locust so that is another mark against it, and JJs don't correct that since it is 20 tons. The Wasp would be better off trying to be an SRM bomber like the LCT-3S.

Edited by Quicksilver Kalasa, 28 October 2016 - 03:06 PM.

[Mole]

Barantor, on 28 October 2016 - 03:00 PM, said:

I think the only way we would get an Ostscout were if it had some sort of advanced sensors or free BAP type thing, sort of like the Cyclops.

I'm not asking for an Ostscout, I'm just displaying how desperate I am for a new light.

[TheArisen]

Barantor, on 28 October 2016 - 03:00 PM, said:

I'm wondering about that. The Wasp is a JJ capable 20 tonner, we don't currently have a humanoid 20 ton humanoid shaped mech, the closest we have is a commando, which isn't jump capable.

Now lets think about the speed of a locust, without the legs being as big, and an even thinner torso sections.. it might be alright, not mind shattering, but ok. If it could be armed with an ER large like the Locust has then you have a sniper that doesn't have to show it's whole body to shoot and can peek around corners better.

Again, not amazing, but if done right it could be as good as the locust, maybe even a hair better.

The Valkyrie on the other hand would be similar to the Spider, but probably slightly bigger arms and the ability to carry missiles on variants that aren't a hero. The Javelin on the other hand is very different than both the Spider and the Valkyrie and would have options more kin to the Oxide Jenner and the Firestarter (energy variant).



I think the only way we would get an Ostscout were if it had some sort of advanced sensors or free BAP type thing, sort of like the Cyclops.

Well JJ & a humanoid form could give the Wasp/Stinger a unique facet. But would they sell?

The Javelin really is %100 better than the Valkyrie. Javelin has a 180 stock vrs 150 in the Valkyrie. The Javelin has missile boats & energy boats + an ecm variant vrs the Valkyrie's mixed HP's. They're both 30 tonners but I think the Valkyrie will be taller because of it's slender frame vrs the Javelin's short & stocky frame.

It's almost sad really, the Valkyrie is even the least valued unseen. The Javelin would also be good for the BT game as it's from Tro 3025.

[Mole]

TheArisen, on 28 October 2016 - 03:53 PM, said:

Well JJ & a humanoid form could give the Wasp/Stinger a unique facet. But would they sell?

The Javelin really is %100 better than the Valkyrie. Javelin has a 180 stock vrs 150 in the Valkyrie. The Javelin has missile boats & energy boats + an ecm variant vrs the Valkyrie's mixed HP's. They're both 30 tonners but I think the Valkyrie will be taller because of it's slender frame vrs the Javelin's short & stocky frame.

It's almost sad really, the Valkyrie is even the least valued unseen. The Javelin would also be good for the BT game as it's from Tro 3025.

I know I'd buy any of the above 'mechs. Would other people? Hard to say. I know I'm not even close to alone though in thinking its high time we got a new light mech.

[TheArisen]

Mole, on 28 October 2016 - 04:47 PM, said:

I know I'd buy any of the above 'mechs. Would other people? Hard to say. I know I'm not even close to alone though in thinking its high time we got a new light mech.

Well IMO for a light to sell well it needs to be a potentially fun to play & decent mech.

Aside from a double pack I propose Pgi release an extra variant or two to offset the perceived value.

[ccrider]

And this thread continues on, despite the fact that I agreed that we all want the Anvil. I endedthis discussion like 3 pages ago people; Anvil. Anvil. Anvil.










But seriously, Anvil.

[TheArisen]

ccrider, on 28 October 2016 - 06:21 PM, said:

And this thread continues on, despite the fact that I agreed that we all want the Anvil. I endedthis discussion like 3 pages ago people; Anvil. Anvil. Anvil.










But seriously, Anvil.

Haha are you a big Marik guy or something?

[Battlemaster56]

Just look at this sexy devil, 90ton Atlas, and a varent with JJ's.

And it in PGI goals, make remove all future tech replace it with something similar, and sell.

[Stf Sgt Marblez]

Hermes, show me a Hermes

[FLG 01]

My bets are on the Crusader, because it would sell well - even I would buy it although I doubt it can be of much use in-game unless heavily quirked.
However I also see a good chance for the Nightstar. It is a potent assault design of 95 tons and so far the only IS 95 tonner is the ancient Banshee (ancient both in-universe and in game terms). It probably would not be a Kodiak-killer but extremely powerful in long range combat thanks to the torso shape.

Perhaps PGI brings a quasi-light Mech like the Assassin if they refuse to give us lights. Anyway the 40 ton bracket is very interesting because there are a lot of Mechs which could be nice in MWO. And there are a lot of 40 ton Mechs I like: Vulcan, Clint, Hermes II, Assassin and my favourite: the Sentinel:
http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Sentinel

• seven canon variants possible in MWO --> no PGI invented non-canon variants other than the hero.
  
• good diversity in the variants
  
• high speed
  
• it's 40 tons, so far we only have the Cicida in that field
  
• a challenge for Alex to make it look nice

But as I said, I would gladly take any IS 40 ton Mech which was available in 3050 - except the Withworth (too slow).

TheArisen, on 28 October 2016 - 03:53 PM, said:

It's almost sad really, the Valkyrie is even the least valued unseen. The Javelin would also be good for the BT game as it's from Tro 3025.

It pains me that I have to agree because I like the Valkyrie a lot, and I am not really a fan of the Javelin. But there is no doubt the latter would be far more enjoyable in MWO. It has five canon variants ready for MWO, so no PGI-variants other than the hero, and these variants offer some diversity including laser boating and ECM.

Actually my heart beats for the Fireball. With the usual 1.4x multiplier its engine cap would be 310. And that means some 270kph top speed.
It also means we will never see it...

[AnTi90d]

Battlemaster56, on 28 October 2016 - 07:13 PM, said:

Just look at this sexy devil, 90ton Atlas, and a varent with JJ's.

And it in PGI goals, make remove all future tech replace it with something similar, and sell.

I seriously want the Akuma more than any other IS mech.. but an Akuma without MRMs is like a chicken without feathers.

[Jack Candler]

FLG 01, on 28 October 2016 - 09:48 PM, said:

Perhaps PGI brings a quasi-light Mech like the Assassin if they refuse to give us lights. Anyway the 40 ton bracket is very interesting because there are a lot of Mechs which could be nice in MWO. And there are a lot of 40 ton Mechs I like: Vulcan, Clint, Hermes II, Assassin and my favourite: the Sentinel:
http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Sentinel

• seven canon variants possible in MWO --> no PGI invented non-canon variants other than the hero.
  
• good diversity in the variants
  
• high speed
  
• it's 40 tons, so far we only have the Cicida in that field
  
• a challenge for Alex to make it look nice

I have fond memories of the Sentinel from MW2:Mercs.

[Widowmaker1981]

Just gonna throw this monstrosity out there

http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Dragoon



70 Tons, JJs, ECM, nice differentiation between lore variants