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[Deathlike]

Mystere, on 02 November 2016 - 11:01 AM, said:

Did you seriously miss all the crying when the Dire Wolf came out and obliterated everything in front of it?

Considering the woeful imbalance from its original release?

You only like something OP regardless right?

[Gas Guzzler]

Mystere, on 02 November 2016 - 11:01 AM, said:

Did you seriously miss all the crying when the Dire Wolf came out and obliterated everything in front of it?

I meant right before the KDK-3. The Dire Wolf was hit with the skill tree nerf and the Clan DHS capacity nerf far before that.

[Mystere]

Deathlike, on 02 November 2016 - 11:03 AM, said:

Considering the woeful imbalance from its original release?

You only like something OP regardless right?

Ahem! I'm not the one here driving OP mechs and obliterating the enemy and when called out in-game claim "I'm just forcing PGI to nerf it".

You should probably go ask those folks.

Edited by Mystere, 02 November 2016 - 11:08 AM.

[Gas Guzzler]

Mystere, on 02 November 2016 - 11:06 AM, said:

Ahem! I'm not the one here driving OP mechs and obliterating the enemy and when called out in-game claim "I'm just forcing PGI to nerf it".

Whose doing that?

[1453 R]

Widowmaker1981, on 02 November 2016 - 10:39 AM, said:

Well, Im not okay with them nerfing the whole kodiak chassis in the name of the KDK-3. I worry that they might, because PGI. I mean.. they actually thought the OP Kodiaks at release would be the 1 and 5, when everyone who understands the game at all knew the 3 would be best by miles.

I dont LIKE that some chassis are just terribad, but i think its a much worse problem for one mech to be the absolute best in class than it is for there to be some lemons like Vindicators and Victors, from a mech variety perspective.

My point is that Piranha is willing - with some frequency, if not the frequency everyone seems to want - to hammer down 'outliers' on the top end.

Outside of occasionally throwing out a SuperMegaUltraQuirk or two, they are NEVER willing to spend time actually working on underperforming 'Mechs, however they got to be so, for much the same reason you mentioned - it's not as time-efficient as simply knocking the leaders on the head and letting whatever's next poke its noodle.

Which means if your 'Mech becomes Bad, at any time, for any reason, You Are Stuck There Forever.

Pardon me for trying to avoid this 'Garbage Forever' fate for as many machines as I can. We already have too many trash heaps in MWO as it is, we do not need more.

Widowmaker1981, on 02 November 2016 - 10:39 AM, said:

Id like some new weapons i guess, to fill some holes in the lineup, but PGI would have to balance them first.. and also figure out ammo switching** .. but its not a huge priority. More, better, gamemodes first.

FutureTech is more than just new guns. It's new systems and equipment, as well. It's an IS LFE that can help offset the whole CXL imbalance issue. It's potential new armor types that can shake up the "ES/STD 4 LYFE" construction rule we've all been dealing with for years. It's new electronics and EW systems that might actually usher in something faintly resembling the pale shadow of Information Warfare.

It's a bunch of absolutely awesome stuff we're never going to get because Russ is skeered of heavy lasers and doesn't want to spend development time prototyping new gear that he could spend on Commodity Warfare Phase 4.5 instead, God damn the entire world.

New game modes are a laudable goal indeed, but we've seen where that goes ('Domination', anyone?) There are so many problems FutureTech could solve that will never be solved because RUSS IS SKEERED OF HEAVY F***ING LASERS!!

Well, I hope he's equally skeered of earning less money. Because I'm pretty much back to where I was in 2013 when I passed on the Saber pack and took a long break from MWO. Little faith, no reason to be here outside of passing time at work. And I was one of a rapidly dwindling breed of folks who still gave half a damn.

MechCon had better blow our f***ing minds if they want to pull out of the nose dive this time. And not nerfhammering a dozen different assault 'Mechs to get at the KDK-3 would be a good way to start.

[Mystere]

Gas Guzzler, on 02 November 2016 - 11:07 AM, said:

Whose doing that?

I'm not naming names. As such, I'm just going to wait for them to own up.

[AphexTwin11]

Mcgral18, on 02 November 2016 - 10:04 AM, said:

Is now the time we bring out Aphex' stats?

I mean, he did break 1 Kd ratio in half of the seasons, good on him.
135ish Assault matches since the beginning of leaderboards

His Assault K/d ratio maxes at 2.5...in the last season where he had 3 Assault Matches


Mine (predominantly in Kodiaks, primarily PokeBears but some DakkaBears too) did not fall below 5 K/d, with a min of 32 matches, and a max of 94 matches (w/8.48 K/d and 3.09 W/L)



This is why we don't balance by Potato
You get guys like this, trying to defend what they don't understand.

Kid I haven't played CW in a long *** time, months maybe. Also, KDR in CW is reflective of your overall team (I was in CGBI, so take that however you want to) - CW isn't deathmatch moron, but since you're such 1337 CW pilot, I guess i shouldnt have to tell you that CW calls for self-less play at times for the betterment of your unit. None of anything you said has anything to do with analyzing the KDK-3, and your cry baby calls to nerf it. Nice try though.

So what you're implying is high CW KDR = valid evidence, theorycraft, and statistics for labeling a mech as OP? LMAO again, impeccable solid reasoning by the QQ nerf crowd.

G1T GUD M8

Edited by AphexTwin11, 02 November 2016 - 11:42 AM.

[Gas Guzzler]

AphexTwin11, on 02 November 2016 - 11:36 AM, said:

Kid I haven't played CW in a long *** time, months maybe. Also, KDR in CW is reflective of your overall team (I was in CGBI, so take that however you want to) - CW isn't deathmatch doofus. None of anything you said has anything to do with analyzing the KDK-3, and your cry baby calls to nerf it. Nice try though.

So what you're implying is high CW KDR = valid evidence, theorycraft, and statistics for labeling a mech as OP? LMAO again, impeccable solid reasoning by the QQ nerf crowd.

G1T GUD M8

Leaderboards on this website track public queue performance, not FP performance. Go to profile then click on leaderboards.

Don't forgot to put salt on your foot before you stick it in your mouth.

[AphexTwin11]

Gas Guzzler, on 02 November 2016 - 11:41 AM, said:

Leaderboards on this website track public queue performance, not FP performance. Go to profile then click on leaderboards.

Don't forgot to put salt on your foot before you stick it in your mouth.

QP / FP, same thing

[Deathlike]

AphexTwin11, on 02 November 2016 - 11:43 AM, said:

QP / FP, same thing

They are not tracked the same way, unfortunately.

All personal stat tracking is strictly QP.

The FP leaderboards are only ingame AFAIK.

Edited by Deathlike, 02 November 2016 - 11:44 AM.

[AphexTwin11]

Deathlike, on 02 November 2016 - 11:44 AM, said:

They are not tracked the same way, unfortunately.

All personal stat tracking is strictly QP.

The FP leaderboards are only ingame AFAIK.

Stats are stats. Clearly you know nothing about the leaderboards

[Deathlike]

AphexTwin11, on 02 November 2016 - 11:45 AM, said:

Stats are stats. Clearly you know nothing about the leaderboards

Clearly you don't know what they are tracking.

I don't know what to tell you.

[Gas Guzzler]

AphexTwin11, on 02 November 2016 - 11:43 AM, said:

QP / FP, same thing

Lol oh okay. So no rebuttal then?

[AphexTwin11]

Gas Guzzler, on 02 November 2016 - 11:46 AM, said:

Lol oh okay. So no rebuttal then?

1v1 me club penguin & twitter. Then we'll see who the REAL man is.

Edited by AphexTwin11, 02 November 2016 - 11:55 AM.

[1453 R]

Kodiaks at ten paces doesn't solve much of anything, Aphex.

The KDK-3 is a balance outlier. The issue isn't whether or not it needs help (it does, unfortunately), it's whether or not:

A.) Piranha is actually physically capable of adjusting the KDK-3 AND JUST THE KDK-GODDAMN-3, which evidence suggests is not the case. Given such, anything one tries to kick out to fix the Bad Touch Bear is going to apply to, at the very least, all other Kodiaks, and also possibly a number of other Clan assaults, Clan autocannons in general, and the Wolverine. Just because. Nobody else seems to care, or they say stuff like "It doesn't matter of the entire Kodiak chassis is unplayable, just so long as the Mauler becomes the undisputed champion of all things assault 'Mech again and I never have to see another Kodiak as long as I live."

B.) the KDK-3 needs to be utterly destroyed for all time, the way many posters have asserted. 'Balance' would dictate a series of small, sequential adjustments until the KDK-3 is still a vicious threat but not the only assault 'Mech ever seen anymore. This thread and most like it posit that if anyone in a KDK-3 ever scores another kill again for the remainder of the game's duration, the 'Mech has not been nerfed hard enough and they need to slice off another twenty degrees of twist arc and another twenty points of torso structure. I challenge this assertion. Frequently. Unfortunately, to very little avail.

[AphexTwin11]

1453 R, on 02 November 2016 - 12:03 PM, said:

Kodiaks at ten paces

What am I, on a treasure hunt? how many paces until I find the gold near the palm tree? Will there be dabloons?

Edited by AphexTwin11, 02 November 2016 - 12:04 PM.

[GrimRiver]

Mystere, on 02 November 2016 - 10:11 AM, said:

Yes, it's called "fun". Or did people completely forget about that concept entirely?

I do have fun when my poor atlas-s doesn't get it's CT melted before I can torso twist in 0.5 seconds by a hill poking KDK-3.

[Aleksandr Sergeyevich Kerensky]

AphexTwin11, on 02 November 2016 - 11:55 AM, said:

1v1 me club penguin & twitter. Then we'll see who the REAL man is.

All real modes in mwo currently revolve in team matches... (The discussion to adjust the KDK-3 all stems from that reasoning.)

1v1 is not a real game mode, and is dynamically different then team oriented game play

[Kin3ticX]

On my free time I am going to run the KDK-3 in the solo queue as my only mech. I may not be the best pilot but I can make it hum well enough to frequently remind people its OP as ****. Maybe people will NaCl in the forums because of our combined efforts.

Edited by Kin3ticX, 02 November 2016 - 12:16 PM.

[Deathlike]

Kin3ticX, on 02 November 2016 - 12:15 PM, said:

On my free time I am going to run the KDK-3 in the solo queue as my only mech. I may not be the best pilot but I can make it hum well enough to frequently remind people its OP as ****. Maybe people will NaCl in the forums because of our combined efforts.

Opening Lyrics to Kodiak, Kodiak said:

Start spreading the salt...
I'm playing today...
I want to be a part of it...
Ko-di-ak, Ko-di-ak