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[Bud Crue]

OP, listen to these people. I am in the process of mastering the Vic. The biggest issue, regardless of your speed, is that for most builds your main weapons are on opposite ARMS of one of the broadest mechs in the game. If you build something to shield with that means SRMs, which means no more than 10 and a trickle given the stupid tube count. You would be better off getting a Marauder or a Warhammer, and dropping a big engine into one of them. You'll be faster and tougher. The Vic in its current state is just, frankly, a pointless slog for anyone other than someone engaged in pokemech.

[TheArisen]

Get a Battle master, it's everything you're looking for & then some.

[Stefan the Usurper Amaris]

Okay okay ill refrain from getting a VTR. Lot of valid points made out. Last night i was --->.<--- this close to buying MC. Surely ill look into the Battlemaster, normally that is one of my favorite mechs and sadly it is not part of my mech bay. Will contemplate in the future. TY.

[Barantor]

The Pretty Baby also has the ability to have an XL 400 if you really want that....

[Jacon Ceronia]

Victors are the absolute worst. Used to be very nice. Have them worked up.

Dragon Slayer sits in the back of the mech bay. If I can save anyone from spending hard-fought $/C/MC on Vics-- please stay away! In fact, RUN away!!

[Charronn]

Bud Crue, on 03 November 2016 - 04:06 AM, said:

OP, listen to these people. I am in the process of mastering the Vic. The biggest issue, regardless of your speed, is that for most builds your main weapons are on opposite ARMS of one of the broadest mechs in the game. If you build something to shield with that means SRMs, which means no more than 10 and a trickle given the stupid tube count. You would be better off getting a Marauder or a Warhammer, and dropping a big engine into one of them. You'll be faster and tougher. The Vic in its current state is just, frankly, a pointless slog for anyone other than someone engaged in pokemech.

The Victor either needs rescaled down or given massive structure/armour quirks.Massive massive torsos and so easy to kill for an assault.
Power creep has made it obsolete.
It used to be a great mech,fast tanky and I never poptarted.
It definitely needs some attention.

[Xoxim SC]

Back in the day prior to the agility nerf on assaults, I used to love rocking my Victor with an AC20, and some medium lasers. Absolutely LOVED the mech. Now, I won't even touch the thing. As a matter a fact I sold every single one of them. Don't waste your time, energy, or effort on this thing imo.

[C E Dwyer]

Sadly your better off with a Uac5 x2 build with extra's, or a 3xLL or LPL build with extra's

If you are going to use a Victor, also consider a slow std engine build it's ammo starved and hops but has a little bit more durability.

It's a sad sad day when std engines on victors are kind of viable at QP level

[C E Dwyer]

Charronn, on 03 November 2016 - 01:41 PM, said:

The Victor either needs rescaled down or given massive structure/armour quirks.Massive massive torsos and so easy to kill for an assault.
Power creep has made it obsolete.
It used to be a great mech,fast tanky and I never poptarted.
It definitely needs some attention.

Yeah I never pop tarted with mine, was all about the brawl, and using the JJ's to jump over mechs to get back shots, or spread damage

[Blue Boutique]

Ugh, you guys are mean to the victor. It's the only assault mech that can carry missiles and ballistics and jump behind the enemy to kill.

[Barantor]

Blue Boutique, on 03 November 2016 - 03:00 PM, said:

Ugh, you guys are mean to the victor. It's the only assault mech that can carry missiles and ballistics and jump behind the enemy to kill.

*The Highlander cries silently behind a hill, hiding it's pain.*

[Tristan Winter]

I have to say, the 2xUAC5 Victor is not terrible at all, if you have a big enough engine to escape when both weapons jam.

[Flak Kannon]

Well, if Jump Jets are important to you, and you want to poptart a bit or want the extra mobility, then yes, go Grasshopper or Victor.

If you want Assault punch and speed go Battlemaster or Kodiak.

I have the Pretty Baby Awesome with a XL400 in her. When she had better L arge Laser quirks she was rather fun, but PGI just cant leave well enough alone when the make a mech viable and inevitably nerf it, as they did with the Pretty Baby. The Awesome 9M can fit a XL385 in her, so her top speed once speed tweaked is 83.8, its hard points and quirks are .. meh... but still fun. I have it built as a laser support mech. 2 Large Lasers, 2 Large Pulse Lasers. 19 total DHS, 448 total armor.



Enjoi


I haven't set foot in my Victors in more than 2 Years, and I do own the Victor DS Hero.

[Deathlike]

627, on 02 November 2016 - 11:46 PM, said:

Even the awesome is better than the victor and if you now some MWO history, that really means something.

Dartboard of Balance said:

[Scyther]

Stefan, to address the original question, if all you are looking for is a fast assault with weapons similar to your heavies (LBX-10 and LPL), then even just throwing together a C-Bill build like this:

http://mwo.smurfy-ne...2f525afcc1d3847

gets you a 81KPH assault-armored hit-and-run machine that has low alpha but high DPS. If you decide to experiment with something like that at least you aren't dropping MC on something you may not end up liking.

PS: Not saying that is a good build or anything, but it's easy to modify in lots of ways. (Not saying the Victor is a good mech either, just addressing your OP)

[Stefan the Usurper Amaris]

MadBadger, on 03 November 2016 - 04:22 PM, said:

Stefan, to address the original question, if all you are looking for is a fast assault with weapons similar to your heavies (LBX-10 and LPL), then even just throwing together a C-Bill build like this:

http://mwo.smurfy-ne...2f525afcc1d3847

gets you a 81KPH assault-armored hit-and-run machine that has low alpha but high DPS. If you decide to experiment with something like that at least you aren't dropping MC on something you may not end up liking.

PS: Not saying that is a good build or anything, but it's easy to modify in lots of ways. (Not saying the Victor is a good mech either, just addressing your OP)

Yes, exactly what i wanted. OFC the JJs i can do with out and one less ton of ammo. The extra tonnage i can slap in another LPL. Im not much a JJ fan, i prefer to keep moving fast paced. I know some will disagree

This is what i had intended:
385XL
1 LBX10 + 3 tons of ammo
2 LPLs
2 DHS
1 BAP

The 1.49 Heat Management is adequate for my needs.

[Bud Crue]

Stefan the Usurper Amaris, on 03 November 2016 - 05:20 PM, said:

Yes, exactly what i wanted. OFC the JJs i can do with out and one less ton of ammo. The extra tonnage i can slap in another LPL. Im not much a JJ fan, i prefer to keep moving fast paced. I know some will disagree

This is what i had intended:
385XL
1 LBX10 + 3 tons of ammo
2 LPLs
2 DHS
1 BAP

The 1.49 Heat Management is adequate for my needs.

But why bother with an assault for that? Serious question. I mean you could do that in one of jump capable Marauders, or even a Cataphract D and be just as tough, and just as fast, if not faster.

By the way I had 3 Horrid matches in my vics tonight (one witnessed by Cathy) and three awesome matches. So maybe they are turning a corner for me, but still I can't help but think other, lighter mechs can do their "mobile assault" role way better (even if they are not technically assaults).

[Stefan the Usurper Amaris]

Call me crazy, or insane, but that's just my preference. My TT days has brought odd designs to the maps. Here i get to make use of that.

Also, ive commited a sin, i bought the Victor Mastery Pack

Configured my VTR-DS to the specs above, entered Frozen City/Assault. Initial started off fairly well until two lights decided to pay a visit to our base. I turned around along with some others. I got shot at from across but that deter me from checking out out base. Did a bit of a dance with a Spider and Jenner, and a Kit Fox and I chased them off and soon dispatched. By now it was 6-3 so i headed back to where the action was. Managed to get 2 kills making my way to the top. Sure enough the battle was won. I think ima have fun with this.

[JediPanther]

I have one victor I won from some event in the past. The best way I found to use it is to play it as a bigger centurion. Max xl engine with either ac10 or lbx 10 and a few med pulse lasers. While it can't obtain the mg fire rate of the cent-d's lbx they still can do some fun builds.

You could also lrm boat out the basic skills for it. Most mechs don't reach their full potential until you've played them long enough to elite them and tried several builds to find the few that work for you. I find myself rarely mastering mechs any more unless I really like the mech or combination of mech and build. I do try and get elite at least on all my mechs.

[Snowhawk]

Don't waste your Money (Mc's, c-bill's) with a Victor. It's one of the worst assaults...