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[Appogee]

My unit of 5 dropped with another unit of 4 and a couple of randoms, against an almost entirely PUG opposition.

The first wave went 12-1 in our favour, and it was clear this was going to be a stomp of the PUG enemy.

Now, I feel really bad for PUGs trying to get their 80 match score against organised opposition. I want them to get their 80 match points and event rewards. Hopefully, that will also help rebuild the FP population.

So I told the enemy team that I wanted to give them a free kill, and that I was going to a gate where they could kill me.

But when I got to the enemy gate, the enemy weren't there, so I walked toward their spawn, periodically telling them where I was.

And then I got abused. And reported. And told to STFU etc. By members of the enemy team that I was trying to help.

And the criticism continued, even after I literally went and stood in the middle of the enemy, not shooting, torso twisting so they could farm me for damage, until they killed me.

Weird, huh. And disappointing. I can only assume they thought I was being rude or something, even though I went to pains to explain why I was doing what I was doing, for their benefit.

For the next three Mechs I literally just walked straight into the enemy until I died, trying to give them some damage. I noticed at the end of the match that 4 enemies still didn't reach the required 80 match score

So, I dunno. Should I never do that again?

[BuckshotSchell]

You are a good man sir. Do it for yourself, not for the appreciation of others.I respect what you did and wish we had a few more willing to put their ego aside and try to make the mode more inviting to new players.


o o7

Edited by BuckshotSchell, 10 November 2016 - 02:00 PM.

[Deathlike]

It's better to say nothing and implicitly do it, but then again you'd get reported for not actually playing for a bit.

At some point, it's a lose-lose proposition once you know whichever team has control of the match... and it's usually not a close game in most instances.

[B L O O D W I T C H]

Appogee, on 10 November 2016 - 12:26 PM, said:

I can only assume they thought I was being rude or something, even though I went to pains to explain why I was doing what I was doing, for their benefit.

For the next three Mechs I literally just walked straight into the enemy until I died, trying to give them some damage. I noticed at the end of the match that 4 enemies still didn't reach the required 80 match score

So, I dunno. Should I never do that again?

Very rude, actually.
Nobody asked for a "pitty kill".
You basically stated you're far superior towards the enemy team and even took away their chance to actually fight you.
Pretty sure your enemy wanted to fight.

Add: not questioning your intentions, tho.
It's just simply not "a good deed".


On a sidenote,
Back when i was with MS, we occasionally run into a t5ish pug group. If it was too obvious that the game would end with minimal casualties on our side, orders where giving to charge with 1-2 waves and spray on non leathal components. Basically doing a little mechp*rn show.
Sorta the same you did just with a lot less obvious "i'll rub my superiority into your face" flavor.

Edited by Toha Heavy Industries, 10 November 2016 - 02:14 PM.

[Appogee]

Toha Heavy Industries, on 10 November 2016 - 02:06 PM, said:

Very rude, actually.
Nobody asked for a "pitty kill".
You basically stated you're far superior towards the enemy team and even took away their chance to actually fight you.
Pretty sure your enemy wanted to fight.

Interesting perspective.

I certainly wasn't trying to be rude. I was trying to help them get their 80 Match Points.

Thank you for helping me understand the situation better.

Deathlike, on 10 November 2016 - 02:02 PM, said:

It's better to say nothing and implicitly do it, but then again you'd get reported for not actually playing for a bit.

Fair enough. I could say nothing, and put up a token fight, I guess.

[Pak Hammond]

I would have issued a challenge to whomever wanted to 1v1. At least if someone goes for it, then they should get the damage in. If not then just not be as cautious as you would normally be with the mechs and go for it.
I do salute that you tried O\

[BuckshotSchell]

I would have preferred a fight if I was on the other team. That doesn't change the fact that you at least tried. That's cool.

[Dex Spero]

I have to agree with both BuckshotSchell and Toha Heavy Industries. I think what you did was completely rude and was done for all the right reasons! You are a good guy and didn't deserve to take any abuse for it. It reminds of a time my highschool football team was stomping a team that hadn't scored a touchdown all season so we "accidentally" fumbled and just couldn't seem to catch the defender who picked up the ball and ran for the endzone

You did a good thing. The key is to do it in such a way that it isn't obvious and the other team doesn't realize what's being done. Some people have serious egos or pride and I'm not in a position to judge if that's right or wrong. I just know it is real and its best to keep from stepping on toes.

But don't change your attitude. You had all the right reasons and I applaud you for it.

[Commander A9]

It happens.

If you choose to try this again, I recommend offering a challenge to the opposition.

"I am [state your name] of [state your unit]. I hereby issue a challenge for a one-on-one duel. Who stands in opposition?"

It's like issuing a batchall for zellbrigen, Sometimes I offer it when I'm calling drops that work in our favor, if circumstances permit.

Just be careful...some units have tried to set us up when we do this.

[feeWAIVER]

If you can't score 80 on FP, then you don't deserve it.
This is Community Warfare, not Community Welfare.

[Commander A9]

Indeed. Which is why it annoys the hell outta me whenever I see someone go "you guys are killing FP!" whenever we win.

Just got out of a match where my team got blamed for "not doing FP any favors" after we won.

Edited by Commander A9, 11 November 2016 - 11:49 PM.

[LordNothing]

acts of honor are somewhat rare but not unheard of. ive seen units walk at our drop zone single file during an event, or entire enemy waves ejecting to even up the odds. so giving up free kills to an under performing enemy seems to be good sport.

that said, anyone who cant score 80 points really shouldn't be in fp. thats participation level at best.

[Davegt27]

yeah that was weird

[Jugger Grimrod]

Honor is relative to the player...

[Nighthawk513]

If our team is obviously getting stomped, I would actually prefer someone calling for a duel to just getting annihilated the moment my mech hits the ground. However, having someone walk into my fire line and just die without shooting... That isn't quite as fun.
Thats just my thoughts though.

[Sjorpha]

That's not an act of honor at all, it's a super smug and condescending way of saying "I'm better than you". You didn't mean it that way, but that's how it looks.

Playing bad on purpose or giving away pity kills is super disrespectful, never do that. Honor your opponent properly and give him your best performance to try and beat or learn from.

Offering a duel and letting the result determine the match is fine I think, because that way you are giving a skilled pug the opportunity to step up and represent, and you are actually putting your victory on the table so it's an offer with real substance. But it's still their choice to accept the offer.

Edited by Sjorpha, 15 November 2016 - 02:44 AM.

[Hanky Spam]

Appogee, on 10 November 2016 - 12:26 PM, said:

So, I dunno. Should I never do that again?

I can see your noble intentions, but your enemies must have thought that they got fooled, or they were partly thinking that it was a trap.

So, you should never do this again and just stomp such teams...

[Zolaz]

Giving away locations and not engaging the enemy are violations against ToS arent they?

[naterist]

Dude, your intentions are good but your implementation was a tad off. I know a group that doesnt bring meta mechs if their sure their droppin against pugs. If you wanna give pugs a chance do that. And when word gets out in IS puglandia that it isnt dual waves of kdk-3's (this was before the nerf) the pilots will come to fight more against you. I thought the guy who decided to do that first was a freakin genius. Next time consider doing that to give pugs the fights theyll enjoy. We still won most matches, cause teamwork is OP, but it was fun for both sides and normally it was pretty close.

[Crockdaddy]

Appogee, on 10 November 2016 - 12:26 PM, said:

My unit of 5 dropped with another unit of 4 and a couple of randoms, against an almost entirely PUG opposition.

The first wave went 12-1 in our favour, and it was clear this was going to be a stomp of the PUG enemy.

Now, I feel really bad for PUGs trying to get their 80 match score against organised opposition. I want them to get their 80 match points and event rewards. Hopefully, that will also help rebuild the FP population.

So I told the enemy team that I wanted to give them a free kill, and that I was going to a gate where they could kill me.

But when I got to the enemy gate, the enemy weren't there, so I walked toward their spawn, periodically telling them where I was.

And then I got abused. And reported. And told to STFU etc. By members of the enemy team that I was trying to help.

And the criticism continued, even after I literally went and stood in the middle of the enemy, not shooting, torso twisting so they could farm me for damage, until they killed me.

Weird, huh. And disappointing. I can only assume they thought I was being rude or something, even though I went to pains to explain why I was doing what I was doing, for their benefit.

For the next three Mechs I literally just walked straight into the enemy until I died, trying to give them some damage. I noticed at the end of the match that 4 enemies still didn't reach the required 80 match score

So, I dunno. Should I never do that again?

I tried this before too. In fact I tried it with Davion units often enough in the past. I'd give real advice when it was very obvious I had a sizeable NS group and we were stomping them. I told them what we would do and give them time to setup. I gave some tips and was trashed in chat. I even had to go over to enemy TS a few times to cool them down and understand what their issue was. I am sorry to say but people just expect the worst of others on the internet and consequently act like jerks.