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[Douglas Reichel]

TempestCP, on 02 August 2012 - 02:34 AM, said:

i present you;

Dobby.

have fun while your Mech is apparated to the laurentian abyssal

Not so much. Can he aparate an entire building? Because from his perspective, that's exactly what a 'mech is, a small, mobile fortified building. Now a Jumper might be able to do it, but we aren't talking about Jumpers. Also, Dobby can't just send something, he has to take something. And I don't care if he's an elf, he'll crush just as instantly as the 'mech when they arrive. Arriving any higher than crush depth gives the pilot a chance to survive, but yes would destroy the 'mech (provided it doesn't have jump jets, which strangely seem to work underwater).

I've read about the effects of magic on technology in the Dresden Files, but never in the Potter 'verse. And even then, the range is limited to a few hundred feet when they're actually TRYING to hex a piece of tech. Far too short to affect a 'mech whose pilot is certainly going to start shooting as soon as they're within range.

The Death Curse suffers the same drawback. It obviously can't kill the 'mech, but it can of course kill the pilot. But that still seems to have a limited range and has always apparently required line-of-sight on the target. Can't curse a pilot you can't actually see.

Only ritual magic has the range to take a 'mech in any 'verse, but it takes far too long, and almost always requires a personal or at least knowledgeable connection to the target.

BT just way outclasses HP. Tech always has outclassed magic. Anyone can use tech, tech always works, tech is ultimately more powerful. Magic is just a wishful fantasy, even in the stories where it's real.

[Dymitry]

Wow! I like whoever is taking this with a scientific approach...

New Avalon Institute of Science will be recruiting in a thousand years from now!

[Owl Vaughan]

I love random topics like this .
Anyway, to show who I think would win allow me to compare weapons:

Harry Potter fights with a glowing twig.

BT uses 7 ton-weighing, energy powered, futuristic, 850m-meter-shooting PPCs.

So it's obvious who I think should win .

[Atlai]

Owl Vaughan, on 04 August 2012 - 07:27 PM, said:

I love random topics like this .
Anyway, to show who I think would win allow me to compare weapons:

Harry Potter fights with a glowing twig.

BT uses 7 ton-weighing, energy powered, futuristic, 850m-meter-shooting PPCs.

So it's obvious who I think should win .

You honestly think HP would win? SHAME!!!!SHAME ON YOU!!!

[Monsoon]

Hahahahhahaha

Harry Potter vs Middle Earth
Harry Potter vs Forgotten Realms
Battletech vs Star Trek
Harry Potter vs Sith Empire
Battletech vs Macross
Harry Potter vs Predators
Harry Potter vs Xenomorphs
Battletech vs Hello Kitty
Harry Potter vs a Paper Bag.

***, if you wanted is Magic Versus Technology debate, first pick a world of Magic that's actually bad-***. Szass Tam would spank Volder-what's-his-name with his own wand. Secondly, let's not have the Fantasy setting vs Sci-Fi setting at all...

[syngyne]

Douglas Reichel, on 02 August 2012 - 04:24 PM, said:

I've read about the effects of magic on technology in the Dresden Files, but never in the Potter 'verse.

Have you read the books? If I remember right, at one point Harry was asking why they don't just plant a bug on Umbridge, and he's told that background magic causes complex technology to quit working.

[Watchit]

So they pretty much just need to apparate (since muggeles have no way to block wizards from apparating wherever they want) inside a mechs cockpit to jam all the electrical components and then kill the cockpit. Done. Wizards win.

[Douglas Reichel]

Watchit, on 04 August 2012 - 10:07 PM, said:

So they pretty much just need to apparate (since muggeles have no way to block wizards from apparating wherever they want) inside a mechs cockpit to jam all the electrical components and then kill the cockpit. Done. Wizards win.

Except they can't. To go somewhere, they have to have been there before, see where they're going, or the location has to be specially prepared as a general destination for anyone who wants to go there (like a beacon). A wizard could apparate to the outside of the cockpit, but never the inside as they can't see their destination, have never been there, it's certainly not prepared for them, and there's not enough room for their arrival. But, since 'mechs are not stationary (and even assault 'mechs are not slow by human standards), and we never see any wizard apparate while in motion or into or onto a moving platform, odds are they can't do that either.

Also, we have no idea what might prevent a wizard from apparating. For all we know, the containment field around a 'mech's core might well suffice as a deflector in that regard. After all, it was inconsistencies that very technology (in its earliest forms, anyway) which led Kearney and Fuchida to develop initial hyperspace theories in the first place. I'm not claiming it's so, but it would make sense, and we have no way to tell either way.

The ultimate clincher is...does HP magic follow any of the conventional rules of the universe in any way. Such as conservation of energy and so forth. Is energy the same whether it's origins are magical or not? If not, then there really can't even be a fanfic crossover. The two worlds are simply eternally incompatible. HP works in our world because the author made the story to work that way. Our tech is bupkiss, simple. Fusion plants, star drives, and energy weapons are far beyond our ken, currently. She didn't account for what would happen to the universe as we know it if certain assumptions about physics that are made in BT turn out to be not true, which HP necessitates if magic does not at all follow "normal" physics at its most fundamental level.

Now...if HP DOES in fact obey the normal laws of physics...in that they use the same energies and forces, but have access to a power source and manipulative mechanism that currently has no explanation; then BT wins. They have more power, more reliability, and greater ease of access. Wizards might win some battles, but an all out war would be just a matter of time before the mechwarriors were ultimately victorious. This is highly likely since it's mentioned many times that humanity (muggles) as a whole are considered highly dangerous, necessitating the secrecy of the magical world. Our capacity for war is infinitely beyond the scope of the wizarding world. The destructive potential of our simplest weapons of mass destruction more than even the entire Ministry of Magic could hope to overcome.

Magic is a great mountain with deep roots but it will never grow larger, it is what it is and will never be more. Technology is an endlessly growing juggernaut, always changing and improving, that can now crush the mountain and its roots.

[Owl Vaughan]

Mason West, on 04 August 2012 - 07:44 PM, said:

You honestly think HP would win? SHAME!!!!SHAME ON YOU!!!

No, I am supporting BT as the winner, even with his magic stick, little scar-head glasses boy can not stop a PPC bolt full of fury turning him to ash... but I see how you were being humourous .

Edited by Owl Vaughan, 10 August 2012 - 01:39 PM.

[_Comrade_]

HP vs mechwarrior huh

So basically Dragons vs Mechs....AWESOME!!1 Can their also be raptors somwhere in there

[_Comrade_]

TempestCP, on 02 August 2012 - 02:34 AM, said:

i present you;

Dobby.

have fun while your Mech is apparated to the laurentian abyssal

He didn't mean to kill mech, he just wanted to maim and serious injured

[Dream Seaker]

Skadi, on 02 August 2012 - 12:04 AM, said:

win ^^

your arguments have been proven invalid

btw what is an alpha strike?

[Psycho0815]

its simple.
BT wins all the time.

Just kidnap potter, put it into a Barrel and give it into the hand of any Mech.
Tadaa!
You have the new LSOPPPPC!

(Lostech-super-overpowered-Pew-Pew-Particle-Potter-Cannon)

[Owl Vaughan]

Dream Seaker, on 14 August 2012 - 10:37 PM, said:

btw what is an alpha strike?

An alpha strike is where a mech fires all of its weapons at the same time for maximum damage.

So basically it's something you love doing to your enemies but hate it when your on the receiving end .

[Ramrod]

Finally, a thread that addresses the important issues.

[Skadi]

Ramrod, on 16 August 2012 - 11:09 PM, said:

Finally, a thread that addresses the important issues.

I think the gif in your siggy wins the thread.
Now wheres my Potter VS WH40K Thread
(Horribly unfair)

Edited by Skadi, 16 August 2012 - 11:26 PM.

[Ramrod]

Why thank you.

Got it off another forum where someone had made lots of gifs from the cartoon. A fellow on that forum pointed out that the toads seem to be flying backwards, propelled by their lasers. Good luck unseeing that now.

Edited by Ramrod, 16 August 2012 - 11:32 PM.

[Xyph3r]

Skadi, on 16 August 2012 - 11:25 PM, said:

Now wheres my Potter VS WH40K Thread
(Horribly unfair)

Harry Potter does not worship the emperor, and the Ordo Maleus is quite effective in cleansing witches, wizards n stuff like that.
- and if everything else fails: there´s always an Exterminatus fleet nearby.. as stated above :

Skadi, on 02 August 2012 - 12:04 AM, said:

[Skadi]

Ramrod, on 16 August 2012 - 11:31 PM, said:

Why thank you.

A fellow on another forum pointed out to me that the toads seem to be flying backwards, propelled by their lasers. Good luck unseeing that now.

[Watchit]

Ramrod, on 16 August 2012 - 11:31 PM, said:

A fellow on that forum pointed out that the toads seem to be flying backwards, propelled by their lasers. Good luck unseeing that now.

Ye' gods! you're right!