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[Requiemking]

Demarticus, on 14 November 2016 - 12:45 AM, said:

Funny, the same stuff people on World of Tanks said, and look now, they're having to rebuild their own game because they screwed up so massively on artillery.

Artillery was OP, and it ruined World of Tanks for me, and MWO is turning into the same thing.

Really? Despite the fact that everyone here has told you why you are wrong, you still seem to think that LRMs are broken? Lets list off the various counters to LRMs.

1. Radar Derp- say what you like, but this module singlehandedly hardcounters every form of lock-on weapon in game.

2. ECM- not quite as good as Radar derp, but a close second, and fairly common to boot.

3. AMS- Granted you need multiple of the thing, but it still will wreck LRMs.

4. Close quarter attacks- LRMs have a minimum range of 180 meters. Engage in that range, and they are helpless.

5. COVER- This most of all will stop an LRM boat dead in it's tracks. If you are being smart, dashing from cover to cover, they won't ever get the chance to lock on to you, let alone maintain it long enough to hit you.

[Demarticus]

627, on 14 November 2016 - 12:48 AM, said:

Save your time.
CPLT-A1

This is a bad build as I said. You're very low on ammo, it will be hot and doesn't even have jump jets to move around. And I won't even start on artemis. Sure, you can lower the engine to make some room for more stuff but trust me you don't want to be slower than that in an lrm only catapult.

CPLT-A1


That speaks for itself right there, maybe not the build I had in mind, but a constant 6.93, almost 7 Damage, is more than enough to annihilate a mech, and then you run just 2 of those in a coordinated unit? You can annihilate anything that steps out.

[Wil McCullough]

are you saying when you're in the open, you rather be facing a hail of pin-point damage from weapons like gauss and lasers which can chew through your ct faster than you can say "o shi-"?

i suggest you build a lurmboat and test it out in a training map.

if you can kill a fresh marauder in 15 seconds using nothing but lurms, i'll buy you a mechpack.

edit: i'm serious. if you can, you get whatever mechpack you want. if you can't, you owe me any mechpack i want. put your money where your mouth is at.

Edited by Wil McCullough, 14 November 2016 - 01:01 AM.

[Requiemking]

Demarticus, on 14 November 2016 - 12:57 AM, said:

CPLT-A1


That speaks for itself right there, maybe not the build I had in mind, but a constant 6.93, almost 7 Damage, is more than enough to annihilate a mech, and then you run just 2 of those in a coordinated unit? You can annihilate anything that steps out.

And it will get eaten alive by anything that moves within 180 meters of it. Not to mention Light mechs and DDC Atlai, who would reduce that piece of junk to a wreckage faster than it's pilot can regret making it.

Edited by Requiemking, 14 November 2016 - 01:01 AM.

[Demarticus]

Requiemking, on 14 November 2016 - 12:56 AM, said:

1. Radar Derp- say what you like, but this module singlehandedly hardcounters every form of lock-on weapon in game.

But is that module available to EVERY mech in game?

Wil McCullough, on 14 November 2016 - 12:59 AM, said:

are you saying when you're in the open, you rather be facing a hail of pin-point damage from weapons like gauss and lasers which can chew through your ct faster than you can say "o shi-"?

i suggest you build a lurmboat and test it out in a training map.

if you can kill a fresh marauder in 15 seconds using nothing but lurms, i'll buy you a mechpack.

edit: i'm serious. if you can, you get whatever mechpack you want. if you can't, you owe me any mechpack i want. put your money where your mouth is at.

Ohohohoh don't you go tempting me, because I will

[627]

Demarticus, on 14 November 2016 - 12:57 AM, said:

CPLT-A1


That speaks for itself right there, maybe not the build I had in mind, but a constant 6.93, almost 7 Damage, is more than enough to annihilate a mech, and then you run just 2 of those in a coordinated unit? You can annihilate anything that steps out.

well, we're getting somewhere... but still a bad build. 2 of those and one little spider or locust will ruin your day. You have no BAP to counter any ECM, you have no Artemis to speed up lock times *and* reduce your spread and you still have no jumpjets. Heat is fine, tho.

But let me tell you, if you drop into group queue with two of those, you'll be humiliated. Ugly truth.

[Requiemking]

Demarticus, on 14 November 2016 - 01:00 AM, said:

But is that module available to EVERY mech in game?

Yes, it is. Granted, modules are expensive, but once you have it it ruins LRMs.

[Dogstar]

>The setup I run on my Marauder-5D, are 5 ER Large Lasers, and while I can Alpha Strike, I try not to in case of those emergency situations.

>So when I poke out, I fire each laser individually, which gives the missiles enough time to hit, but then I stay in cover, I refuse to deal with that <redacted>, every chance I get, I target LRM Boats, just to watch them burn.

Okay you have two major problems:

• You suck at building mechs
  
• You suck at playing mechs

How to fix it:

• Read metamechs - http://metamechs.com...uides/marauder/
  
• Choose a MAD-5D build - http://mwo.smurfy-ne...4a1c67d7adb15ac
  
• Use weapon groups to fire all LPLs together at one
  
• Learn to corner poke
  
• Learn how to use cover to avoid LRMs
  
• Git gud

and stop whining

[Demarticus]

Requiemking, on 14 November 2016 - 01:02 AM, said:

Yes, it is. Granted, modules are expensive, but once you have it it ruins LRMs.

Good, wish I knew about that sooner...I usually never pay any attention to modules because of the expense AND the EXP Expense.

[627]

Wil McCullough, on 14 November 2016 - 12:59 AM, said:

are you saying when you're in the open, you rather be facing a hail of pin-point damage from weapons like gauss and lasers which can chew through your ct faster than you can say "o shi-"?

i suggest you build a lurmboat and test it out in a training map.

if you can kill a fresh marauder in 15 seconds using nothing but lurms, i'll buy you a mechpack.

edit: i'm serious. if you can, you get whatever mechpack you want. if you can't, you owe me any mechpack i want. put your money where your mouth is at.

trick quest, there are no marauders in training maps

But is this challenge open to all?

[Demarticus]

Dogstar, on 14 November 2016 - 01:03 AM, said:

>The setup I run on my Marauder-5D, are 5 ER Large Lasers, and while I can Alpha Strike, I try not to in case of those emergency situations.

>So when I poke out, I fire each laser individually, which gives the missiles enough time to hit, but then I stay in cover, I refuse to deal with that <redacted>, every chance I get, I target LRM Boats, just to watch them burn.

Okay you have two major problems:

• You suck at building mechs
  
• You suck at playing mechs

How to fix it:

• Read metamechs - http://metamechs.com...uides/marauder/
  
• Choose a MAD-5D build - http://mwo.smurfy-ne...4a1c67d7adb15ac
  
• Use weapon groups to fire all LPLs together at one
  
• Learn to corner poke
  
• Learn how to use cover to avoid LRMs
  
• Git gud

and stop whining

Funny, I suck at building mechs? I seem to come out every match in the Marauder-5D with 550+ Damage, I'd say I handle that mech fairly well for such a "horrible mech builder".

When me and my friend (new at the game) run those together, because he has one too, not much stands in our way, we can both alpha strike an Assault mech in the CT, and completely destroy his armor without overheating.

[Wil McCullough]

627, on 14 November 2016 - 01:03 AM, said:

trick quest, there are no marauders in training maps

But is this challenge open to all?

only to OP who obviously doesn't know what he's doing. lol.

[Demarticus]

Wil McCullough, on 14 November 2016 - 01:06 AM, said:

only to OP who obviously doesn't know what he's doing. lol.

I rarely ever use the training maps, and if I do it's usually just Forest Colony or HPG Manifold.

Edited by Demarticus, 14 November 2016 - 01:07 AM.

[627]

Demarticus, on 14 November 2016 - 01:05 AM, said:

Funny, I suck at building mechs? I seem to come out every match in the Marauder-5D with 550+ Damage, I'd say I handle that mech fairly well for such a "horrible mech builder".

When me and my friend (new at the game) run those together, because he has one too, not much stands in our way, we can both alpha strike an Assault mech in the CT, and completely destroy his armor without overheating.

Ok, listen. I'm not sure how much of a new player you are after more than a year but we all sucked at this game at first. It is no shame to accept some advice from players who know this game, its mechanics and every single value of every weapon inside out.
And if you can constantly (lol) do 550 Damage per match in that mech you shouldn't have any problem at all with a lurm boat. Especially not with a poor Cat A1.

Edited by 627, 14 November 2016 - 01:10 AM.

[Wil McCullough]

Demarticus, on 14 November 2016 - 01:05 AM, said:

Funny, I suck at building mechs? I seem to come out every match in the Marauder-5D with 550+ Damage, I'd say I handle that mech fairly well for such a "horrible mech builder".

you have 239 average match score on heavies on the leaderboards.

which means you're definitely not putting out 550+ damage every match. you're putting out quite a bit less than that.

and to answer the question that just popped into your head:

yes, we can all see your performance stats.

so tread carefully if you decide to exaggerate again.

Edited by Wil McCullough, 14 November 2016 - 01:13 AM.

[Dogstar]

If you're such a good pilot why the $%^& are you complaining about LRMs? You can't call yourself a good pilot and know nothing about LRMs.

Oh, unless you're a troll...

Oh here's he link to your stats: https://mwomercs.com...user=demarticus

Edited by Dogstar, 14 November 2016 - 01:13 AM.

[Demarticus]

Wil McCullough, on 14 November 2016 - 01:09 AM, said:

you have 239 average match xp on heavies on the leaderboards.

which means you're definitely not putting out 550+ damage every match. you're putting out quite a bit less than that.

and to answer the question that just popped into your head:

yes, we can all see your performance stats.

so tread carefully if you decide to exaggerate again.

That's because I've only been back for like...A week or 2, I started this game somewhere in 2015, and I was horrible then, because of having no patience, and not having a group to play with makes it even more difficult.

And really?...Tread carefully?...Sounds like a threat to me.

[Wil McCullough]

Demarticus, on 14 November 2016 - 01:14 AM, said:

That's because I've only been back for like...A week or 2, I started this game somewhere in 2015, and I was horrible then, because of having no patience, and not having a group to play with makes it even more difficult.

And really?...Tread carefully?...Sounds like a threat to me.

your claim of doing 550+ damage per game doesn't tally with your average match score.
how long you've been back does nothing to support your claim or refute my point.

tread carefully because when your stats are public knowledge, doing silly things like inflating your supposed damage output per match will make you an object of ridicule.

[Albino Boo]

Demarticus, on 14 November 2016 - 12:51 AM, said:

Well then AMS clearly needs a patch, I'm not saying this game is a Simulator, but the AMS is just a version of the Phalanx CIWS, and that thing NEVER misses a beat.

Had a friend work on them in Afghanistan, and he said they were used to shoot down Artillery Shells, RPG's, and generally any projectile the Radar would pick up, not sure how true that is, but I have seen video's of them firing, and they just absolutely light the sky up with a laser of Red Tracer rounds.

They can shoot down the low intensity fire that the Taliban put out but would have a hard time dealing with a massed artillery attack.

[Demarticus]

Albino Boo, on 14 November 2016 - 01:41 AM, said:

They can shoot down the low intensity fire that the Taliban put out but would have a hard time dealing with a massed artillery attack.

Thanks for the clarification, I figured with a mass Artillery Strike they'd have trouble keeping up with something so high velocity, but nice to know I was at least a little bit correct about it lol