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[Johnny Z]

Revis Volek, on 29 November 2016 - 03:24 PM, said:

MM doesnt work and Tiers are only for self reflection.


That is all




He actually has, i have seen the screenies to prove it.

Works in regular/solo queue. Ya most likely nearly irrelevant in group queue.

What do the guys making this game do? Take two mans out of group queue and help them out? Which would pretty much hurt group queue badly? They don't want to nerf group queue at all because that's not cool.

So what do they do?

What about faction play?

Its not easy to see where they will go or which way is best.

Solo/regular queue is great game play mostly. But synch dropping can completely ruin that to.

Edited by Johnny Z, 29 November 2016 - 03:37 PM.

[Revis Volek]

Johnny Z, on 29 November 2016 - 03:24 PM, said:

Works in regular/solo queue. Ya most likely nearly irrelevant in group queue.

Actually im pretty sure it doesnt work as intended, its meant to separate us and due to a lack of played base it cannot do its job to 100% completion. If it misses even once its by definition not working for reasons stated above. Now on the other hand is there a way to fix this? I dont think so...



Close only counts in Horseshoes and when Throwing Grenades.

[Johnny Z]

Revis Volek, on 29 November 2016 - 03:31 PM, said:

Actually im pretty sure it doesnt work as intended, its meant to separate us and due to a lack of played base it cannot do its job to 100% completion. If it misses even once its by definition not working for reasons stated above. Now on the other hand is there a way to fix this? I dont think so...



Close only counts in Horseshoes and when Throwing Grenades.

If some low tiers get stuck in the odd high tier match that isn't all bad, thats an eye opener. Tiers is the best match maker ever made. Protects newbies, puts experienced players against each other. That's all that really counts.

Edited by Johnny Z, 29 November 2016 - 03:35 PM.

[a gaijin]

Thanks to Buck Dodgers and DAYLEET for a genuinely interesting topic

I have to say that whenever I have to wait for more than a full minute to be dropped into a group that more often than not it's one of those sometimes unpleasant (but always uncomfortable) "stomp" matches.


I wonder if canceling the search and restarting it is a way to mitigate too much "tier bleedover?"

[Johnny Z]

Should new players have a newbie tag is a good question. Or other similar things to differentiate players.

[KHETTI]

Johnny Z, on 29 November 2016 - 03:51 PM, said:

Should new players have a newbie tag is a good question. Or other similar things to differentiate players.

Absolutely not!, that's just putting a big bullseye on them, life is hard enough for new players as it is.

[Johnny Z]

KHETTI, on 29 November 2016 - 03:54 PM, said:

Absolutely not!, that's just putting a big bullseye on them, life is hard enough for new players as it is.

Yep thinking the same thing. That's the downside for sure.

What about say another color for 2 year players or something. So other players know they are up against well equipped experienced players. Same thing I guess.

Edited by Johnny Z, 29 November 2016 - 04:02 PM.

[Tarogato]

DAYLEET, on 28 November 2016 - 10:26 PM, said:

You win. The match maker isnt supposed to match T5 with T2, much less T1 that was in this game.

I just want to add, sorry you are stuck with people who have played hundreds of hours.

People were right to ask for a screeny. Lets not get into a war of wetter you should trust me not not, this isnt about trust. I trust you all trust me by now =) but you cant have facts without the facts. It's science, like how womens brain are smaller or how the MM works 60% of the time, every time.

And for fun, here are everybody's stats from that match (i'll remove the names this time to protect the sensitive). These are cumulative stats, including everything from Season 1 thru 4 (and Season 5 for a couple people that I had to look up manually because they weren't in my Seasons 1-4 data)





oups, ignore the "KR" column, that was supposed to be KDR but I did the wrong calculation.

Edited by Tarogato, 29 November 2016 - 04:03 PM.

[Chados]

Last December when I was still T5 I had a brand spanking new Marauder 3R without the first skill box checked.

Got The B33f in a match that night. It was, like Thomas Hobbes said about life, nasty, brutish, and short. The matchmaker is a lie, much like the cake in Portal. It's all a crapshoot.

[KHETTI]

Tarogato, on 29 November 2016 - 03:56 PM, said:

And for fun, here are everybody's stats from that match (i'll remove the names this time to protect the sensitive). These are cumulative stats, including everything from Season 1 thru 4 (and Season 5 for a couple people that I had to look up manually because they weren't in my Seasons 1-4 data)

There are T1 players somewhere in those stats? yikes

[DAYLEET]

Star Commander Horse, on 29 November 2016 - 03:45 PM, said:

Thanks to Buck Dodgers and DAYLEET for a genuinely interesting topic

Thank YOU, we are but humble Guinea pig.

Star Commander Horse, on 29 November 2016 - 03:45 PM, said:

I wonder if canceling the search and restarting it is a way to mitigate too much "tier bleedover?"

No, it will cancel your valve but everyone has his own valve, the tiering valve is per player....

KHETTI, on 29 November 2016 - 04:01 PM, said:

There are T1 players somewhere in those stats? yikes

We dont know that. I assumed there was because of what someone said in the chat that you can see on the reward screen that i also have. This player is T2 however and i assumed he was 1 because of what he said.

Edited by DAYLEET, 29 November 2016 - 04:31 PM.

[Tarogato]

KHETTI, on 29 November 2016 - 04:01 PM, said:

There are T1 players somewhere in those stats? yikes

There shouldn't be a single one. Just Tier 2 thru 5.

But I do have 52 matches worth of confirmed Tier 1 through 3 players data laying around. It's barely any better than this. 0_o

PSR.

Edited by Tarogato, 29 November 2016 - 04:06 PM.

[Davers]

occusoj, on 29 November 2016 - 03:15 PM, said:

You sir get a 10 point forum penalty for improper use of a meme.

[N0MAD]

MM can only work with numbers, low player numbers bad MM..
Im thinking that player numbers are greatly exagerated by these week long week in week out events where every man and his dog try get the shinnys on their multiple ALT accounts, skewing the number of actual individual player counts.

[DAYLEET]

Tarogato, on 29 November 2016 - 03:56 PM, said:

And for fun, here are everybody's stats from that match (i'll remove the names this time to protect the sensitive). These are cumulative stats, including everything from Season 1 thru 4 (and Season 5 for a couple people that I had to look up manually because they weren't in my Seasons 1-4 data)





oups, ignore the "KR" column, that was supposed to be KDR but I did the wrong calculation.

I missed 1 seasons, which one am i? I add the 4 seasons i played i have 1050+ match, if i only count 5 and 4 i get 615.
Here are my 4 seasons

11364 DAYLEET 221 204 1.08 353 292 1.21 425 233


16259 DAYLEET 88 102 0.86 113 125 0.90 190 214


19680 DAYLEET 84 100 0.84 105 134 0.78 184 209


12538 DAYLEET 125 131 0.95 220 184 1.20 256 230ff


Nevermind i just realised you didnt count seasons5.

Edited by DAYLEET, 29 November 2016 - 04:21 PM.

[Navid A1]

PSR has been off for a while now!

However...
I thought matches with T2s through T5s being in the same match was pretty common knowledge.
Only restriction was supposed to be T1s which should not be matched with T4s and T5s.
It was never ±2 Tiers... AFAIK!

I have been matches with T4s... so yup, PSR is definitely off.

[Tarogato]

DAYLEET, on 29 November 2016 - 04:16 PM, said:

I missed 1 seasons, which one am i? I add the 4 seasons i played i have 1050+ match, if i only count 5 and 4 i get 615.
Here are my 4 seasons

11364 DAYLEET 221 204 1.08 353 292 1.21 425 233


16259 DAYLEET 88 102 0.86 113 125 0.90 190 214


19680 DAYLEET 84 100 0.84 105 134 0.78 184 209


12538 DAYLEET 125 131 0.95 220 184 1.20 256 230

You're the one with 630 matches played.

S1: 256 played, 230 match score
S2: 184 played, 209 match score
S3: no data (players with fewer than 30 matches are excluded from my sample)
S4: 190 played, 214 match score.
S5: (not included in my data yet)

[DAYLEET]

A reminder, i was playing a class(Assault) that was supposed to be around 12-15% queue. The assault queue has been really low for the last 2 weeks, lower than lights half the time.

Edited by DAYLEET, 29 November 2016 - 04:34 PM.

[Revis Volek]

Johnny Z, on 29 November 2016 - 03:51 PM, said:

Should new players have a newbie tag is a good question. Or other similar things to differentiate players.

So all new players get one of these...

[a gaijin]

Revis Volek, on 29 November 2016 - 04:51 PM, said:

So all new players get one of these...

I thought that the MWO Target Maker you posted is already in the game as any mech that's all BASIC GREEN

Edited by Star Commander Horse, 29 November 2016 - 04:55 PM.