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[BLOOD WOLF]

Peter2k, on 02 December 2016 - 01:02 AM, said:

It's not like you have to comment on every one of those threads or even click on it
Like you didn't know what's it's going to be about ;-)

well that's true.

[Appogee]

LordNothing, on 01 December 2016 - 11:17 PM, said:

it will either be something terrible, or something so great that pgi will be unable to pull it off.

As soon as I read this comment I thought "oh crap, he's right, there is no scenario in which this ends well".

[C E Dwyer]

LordNothing, on 01 December 2016 - 11:17 PM, said:

it will either be something terrible, or something so great that pgi will be unable to pull it off.

Pretty much

[Hunka Junk]

OK, so roughly it looks something like this:

PGI's Planned Announcements

___Skill Tree
___Assault Mode/Map
___All New QP Mode
___New Mech packs
___New Merchandise


All the Things the Community Wants to Know About*
*not these are demands, but specific, definitive answers would be nice

___FP/Endgame content
___Solaris
___PVE/Co-op
___Aerotech

___MKII
___IS Omnimech
___Quadrupeds

___New Weapons
___Melee Combat
___Putting even a little bit of lore in the game
___Balancing based on performance and including explanations/justifications
___Ditch map voting
___Fix matchmaking/psr
___Color blind support

___Timeline jumps
___New game engine

___More community engagement
___Long-terms plans
___Licensing agreement

___If I invest further mech money into MWO, will it be financing the completion of MWO or financing another title? If it's the latter, what kind of title is it?

Edited by Hunka Junk, 02 December 2016 - 06:08 PM.

[Metus regem]

Hunka Junk, on 02 December 2016 - 08:25 AM, said:

OK, so roughly it looks something like this:

PGI's Planned Announcements

___Skill Tree
___Assault Mode/Map
___All New QP Mode
___New Mech packs
___New Merchandise


All the Things the Community Wants to Know About*
*not these are demands, but specific, definitive answers would be nice

___FP/Endgame content
___Solaris
___PVE/Co-op

___MKII
___Quadrupeds

___New Weapons
___Putting even a little bit of lore in the game
___Balancing based on performance and including explanations/justifications
___Ditch map voting
___Fix matchmaking/psr
___Color blind support

___Timeline jumps
___New game engine

___More community engagement
___Long-terms plans
___Licensing agreement

___Is my mech money financing another title? What kind of game is it?*
*Some may say that's not something to be asking. Well, a simple 'No' would put it to rest. If there is not a simple 'No' for an answer, then this question needs asking.

Well we can cross the MK II off the list, there is a tweet from Russ floating around where he says specifically that there will be no Mad Cat Mk II announcement at MechCon.

We can also cross off "Is my mech money financing another title", that's none of our business, as we have given them money, it is there choice how to spend it.

I'd also say it's safe to cross Quads and New weapons on the list, as Russ hates Quads, fears L.A.M.'s and they do not have anyone capable of programing new weapons.


Please know, I am not a white knight for PGI, nor am I a black knight against them. Only way they would have a chance at getting me to white kight for them is to release L.A.M.'s, and even then it'd dicey.

[Hunka Junk]

Metus regem, on 02 December 2016 - 08:35 AM, said:

We can also cross off "Is my mech money financing another title", that's none of our business, as we have given them money, it is there choice how to spend it.

Was Transverse none of the MWO community's business?

[Dirus Nigh]

#spite
#salt
#whyareyoustillhere
#getoveryourself.

[Metus regem]

Hunka Junk, on 02 December 2016 - 09:23 AM, said:

Was Transverse none of the MWO community's business?

Honestly, no, no it wasn't. If we were share holders in PGI, then yes. It is PGI's decision where funds get allocated, and us acting like a bunch of spoiled children when they do something we don't like doesn't help the already poor relations between PGI and it's customers (us).


Let me put this into a different perspective, if you were to lease a car from Ford, lets say the Focus, what would beholden Ford to only put your funds towards another Focus, when they would rather take that money and put it towards building a new F350?

[Hunka Junk]

Dirus Nigh, on 02 December 2016 - 09:24 AM, said:

#spite
#salt
#whyareyoustillhere
#getoveryourself.

#spite= telling people you're going to develop things that you're not going to develop
#salt is kicking people off twitter
#mechcon
#nty

Metus regem, on 02 December 2016 - 09:31 AM, said:

Honestly, no, no it wasn't. If we were share holders in PGI, then yes. It is PGI's decision where funds get allocated, and us acting like a bunch of spoiled children when they do something we don't like doesn't help the already poor relations between PGI and it's customers (us).


Let me put this into a different perspective, if you were to lease a car from Ford, lets say the Focus, what would beholden Ford to only put your funds towards another Focus, when they would rather take that money and put it towards building a new F350?

Horrible analogy and frankly I have no interest in explaining why it is or debating this issue with you.

If I want to know how my money is being spent, I have every right to ask. If you think it's none of your business, then you're welcome not to ask.

[Valhallan]

Hunka Junk, on 02 December 2016 - 08:25 AM, said:

All the Things the Community Wants to Know About*

You forgot "MELEE COMBAT!"

[Hunka Junk]

Valhallan, on 02 December 2016 - 09:49 AM, said:

You forgot "MELEE COMBAT!"

You're right. Added melee combat.

[Dirus Nigh]

Hunka Junk, on 02 December 2016 - 09:38 AM, said:

#spite= telling people you're going to develop things that you're not going to develop
#salt is kicking people off twitter
#mechcon
#nty



Horrible analogy and frankly I have no interest in explaining why it is or debating this issue with you.

If I want to know how my money is being spent, I have every right to ask. If you think it's none of your business, then you're welcome not to ask.

Right, the childish he started it excuse.

I really dont care. if you dont like the game and PGI then ******* leave. I'm tired of people sticking around jsut to be toxic.

[FaT4Li7y]

@HunkaJunk:
But it's not "your money" anymore, remember you gave it to PGI.

Edited by FaT4Li7y, 02 December 2016 - 10:01 AM.

[Akillius]

Valhallan, on 02 December 2016 - 09:49 AM, said:

You forgot "MELEE COMBAT!"

Well to sorta use Metus regem's words:
cross Melee mechs and Melee weapons off the list, as Russ hates Melee weapons and fears seeing pointy beaked locusts picked up by atlases for can-opening Melee purposes.


k not really his words but I plagiarized his style.

Edited by Max Rickson, 02 December 2016 - 10:04 AM.

[Hunka Junk]

Dirus Nigh, on 02 December 2016 - 09:59 AM, said:

Right, the childish he started it excuse.

I really dont care. if you dont like the game and PGI then ******* leave. I'm tired of people sticking around jsut to be toxic.

I'd say my question is toxic if it had no basis in reality, that there was absolutely no chance that mech money that could provide complete, debugged, paytested content and features to this game is instead being put into another pipeline to create another game instead. If that was the case, it would be very toxic for me to bring this up.

However, this is not the case. If you're tired of me, you can always put me on ignore.

FaT4Li7y, on 02 December 2016 - 09:59 AM, said:

@HunkaJunk:
But it's not "your money" anymore, remember you gave it to PGI.

I gave it to PGI when I thought this game had endgame content. What it actually had was a largely unplayable mess. If sorting that mess is secondary to making a new game, I want to know.

It's deeply troubling and problematic if PGI is diverting money away from this game while it remains in the state it's in. i don't think it's toxic at all to address the elephant in the room.

[Clownwarlord]

Hunka Junk, on 02 December 2016 - 08:25 AM, said:

OK, so roughly it looks something like this:

PGI's Planned Announcements

___Skill Tree
___Assault Mode/Map
___All New QP Mode
___New Mech packs
___New Merchandise


All the Things the Community Wants to Know About*
*not these are demands, but specific, definitive answers would be nice

___FP/Endgame content
___Solaris
___PVE/Co-op

___MKII
___Quadrupeds

___New Weapons
___Melee Combat
___Putting even a little bit of lore in the game
___Balancing based on performance and including explanations/justifications
___Ditch map voting
___Fix matchmaking/psr
___Color blind support

___Timeline jumps
___New game engine

___More community engagement
___Long-terms plans
___Licensing agreement

___Is my mech money financing another title? What kind of game is it?*
*Some may say that's not something to be asking. Well, a simple 'No' would put it to rest. If there is not a simple 'No' for an answer, then this question needs asking.

I am thinking of printing this off and see what they talk about and check it off.

[Novakaine]

Well Petey it was a dream, perhaps a vision.
Take what you will from it.
As far as trolling ........................no.
However.

[Hunka Junk]

Not sure how I feel about it, but Aerotech is now on there.

[cazidin]

Peter2k, on 02 December 2016 - 01:02 AM, said:

You're BS'ing, right?

Just because Novokaine started his rumblings about a dream, like a month or 2 ago and has been persistent about his trolling sarcasm, doesn't mean it's any kind of rumor



It's not like you have to comment on every one of those threads or even click on it
Like you didn't know what's it's going to be about ;-)

Also giving a blanket statement "wait for MechCon" leaves very little positive to talk about

The irony here is that he's created his own rumor and continued to spread it. Well played.

[MrJeffers]

Hunka Junk, on 02 December 2016 - 10:33 AM, said:

I'd say my question is toxic if it had no basis in reality, that there was absolutely no chance that mech money that could provide complete, debugged, paytested content and features to this game is instead being put into another pipeline to create another game instead. If that was the case, it would be very toxic for me to bring this up.

However, this is not the case. If you're tired of me, you can always put me on ignore.



I gave it to PGI when I thought this game had endgame content. What it actually had was a largely unplayable mess. If sorting that mess is secondary to making a new game, I want to know.

It's deeply troubling and problematic if PGI is diverting money away from this game while it remains in the state it's in. i don't think it's toxic at all to address the elephant in the room.

You apparently don't realize that a business goal is to make a profit. And then use that profit to fund other, hopefully, more profitable ventures.

So yes, that question is toxic. The Ford analogy was a good one, because you handed over your money to a company to purchase something (PGI, Ford, McDonalds, etc) it's no longer your money and it's now their money to do with as they wish. You (we) have no say in where that money goes, and really have no right to complain UNLESS that money isn't paying the bills to keep MWO running and they haven't delivered the goods that were paid for, e.g. buy a mech pack that's months out and they close the servers down before delivery.

Otherwise, your list was spot on and a good list of things that could be calmly and rationally discussed without a dose of sodium.

Edited by MrJeffers, 02 December 2016 - 02:55 PM.