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[cazidin]

Greetings Mechwarriors. Today I have a simple question. Why are so many of you genuinely upset or angry over PGI developing another MechWarrior title? This is very probably what they've used their extra engineers and programmers for and, if successful, will allow them to expand their team further for both MW:O and other pursuits.

Yeah, PGI has done a lot of stupid things and Russ has lead them down that path but... if PGI fails, we just lose MW:O and gain, well, nothing really. This game isn't terrible, it's just tragically average.

[Peter2k]

Didn't know they have enough coders to spare
See delays of features

That's basically it

I don't mind it so much
But if they want me and others to spend on MWO then the pace should be faster then what we have now

I have bought every mech since closed beta till the archer with money

Why should I keep on buying
I already sold mechs I couldn't stand

Alistair put it up nicely
New mechs are just reskins

Some JJ more, or less some hardpoints shuffled around

Edited by Peter2k, 04 December 2016 - 06:49 AM.

[PhoenixFire55]

1. Where is the money coming from? Not hard to guess ...
2. In 4 years of development we've seen nothing but cluelessness from PGI's devs. Same people are going to work on MW5, i.e. ruin the franchise even further.
3. PGI has done absolutely everything they can to lead the MW franchise as far from BattleTech as possible. The new game will have nothing to do with BT either. At this point we are better off with no MW game than another one from PGI.

[Bud Crue]

cazidin, on 04 December 2016 - 06:45 AM, said:

Greetings Mechwarriors. Today I have a simple question. Why are so many of you genuinely upset or angry over PGI developing another MechWarrior title? This is very probably what they've used their extra engineers and programmers for and, if successful, will allow them to expand their team further for both MW:O and other pursuits.

Yeah, PGI has done a lot of stupid things and Russ has lead them down that path but... if PGI fails, we just lose MW:O and gain, well, nothing really. This game isn't terrible, it's just tragically average.

I think you answered your own question with that last sentence.

I'm not upset that they made the choice to fund a new project. I'm upset that they keep refusing to fund the mode that they said was to be the core game (CW) and make it the way they advertised. Huh. You'd almost think that there is a similarity with this new MW5 announcement and the original CW announcement and the original MWO announcement. If only I could put my finger on what that similarity is.

[Kaeb Odellas]

Bud Crue, on 04 December 2016 - 06:52 AM, said:

I think you answered your own question with that last sentence.

I'm not upset that they made the choice to fund a new project. I'm upset that they keep refusing to fund the mode that they said was to be the core game (CW) and make it the way they advertised. Huh. You'd almost think that there is a similarity with this new MW5 announcement and the original CW announcement and the original MWO announcement. If only I could put my finger on what that similarity is.

We're getting a CW update this month, with more to follow.

[DaisuSaikoro Nagasawa]

PhoenixFire55, on 04 December 2016 - 06:51 AM, said:

1. Where is the money coming from? Not hard to guess ...
2. In 4 years of development we've seen nothing but cluelessness from PGI's devs. Same people are going to work on MW5, i.e. ruin the franchise even further.
3. PGI has done absolutely everything they can to lead the MW franchise as far from BattleTech as possible. The new game will have nothing to do with BT either. At this point we are better off with no MW game than another one from PGI.

So says you. I lived without a mechwarrior game for more than ten years. I don't want to go back to that.

Get over yourself (all of the haters right now). You're just being trendy for trendy sake.

[Elizander]

I'm not upset. We all know that the community is split over what they want. PGI can't please everyone. I'm pleased though. :3

[cazidin]

PhoenixFire55, on 04 December 2016 - 06:51 AM, said:

1. Where is the money coming from? Not hard to guess ...
2. In 4 years of development we've seen nothing but cluelessness from PGI's devs. Same people are going to work on MW5, i.e. ruin the franchise even further.
3. PGI has done absolutely everything they can to lead the MW franchise as far from BattleTech as possible. The new game will have nothing to do with BT either. At this point we are better off with no MW game than another one from PGI.

1.Yeah, and? This isn't new for a dev company. Do you think all the money EA makes from their sports titles goes to the next year's golf title? No. It goes to fund the next CoD.
2.Fair point, but aside from some problems with balancing the gameplay *is* fun. Repetitive due to the game modes, but that shouldn't likely be an issue for a singleplayer standalone campaign and they may even have a chance to refine it further and if balance is still terrible? We can mod it.
3.It may not be a good Battletech game, we'll get that in '17, but it could be a great MechWarrior game.

[Unnatural Growth]

I'm willing to listen to what PGI has in mind for MW5. I liked the video clip for sure. I will definitely need more info from them on the game, the buy in costs, buy in levels, future upgrades, etc. And, honestly, a firm commitment from them that if, say 2 years AFTER target release date, if we don't have a fully completed, smooth running game package, with everything in it that they claimed would be there, that I can get a full refund of my founders money.

No more of this "90 Days" or "Soon ®" shizzle.

If not all of the above, I'll just wait until game is "finished" (by PGI's word), and decide then if I want to buy it at street price.

But, like I said, I'm interested, and willing to listen...

The ball's in your court PGI...

[PhoenixFire55]

cazidin, on 04 December 2016 - 07:07 AM, said:

1.Yeah, and? This isn't new for a dev company. Do you think all the money EA makes from their sports titles goes to the next year's golf title? No. It goes to fund the next CoD.

The difference is that EA makes a finished produce. I.e. you like it - you buy it, you don't like it - you don't buy it. Here, you buy one thing, and eventually get a completely different one if anything at all. This depends greatly on the effort, and the effort from the devs team is already lacking (if not to say non-existant), and it'll become even less.

[Mcgral18]

It depends on their stance concerning Mods


Most of my PGI complaints are balance, feature and other gameplay related items.
Their art is fantastic, and game is generally stable enough.

If they don't prevent modding, and keep things simple, I'll be content.
If they give us modding tools, I'll be ecstatic.

Those could remove my main complaints. Of course, I'm still shite at AI. I'll be taking a course on it next year.

And I think we can all expect DLC

It's starting in Tech 1

We can expect a 3050 era Clam invasion DLC
And some people would love that.

All of MWO's models can be ported. They're going to do that.

[L1f3H4ck]

PhoenixFire55, on 04 December 2016 - 06:51 AM, said:

1. Where is the money coming from? Not hard to guess ...
2. In 4 years of development we've seen nothing but cluelessness from PGI's devs. Same people are going to work on MW5, i.e. ruin the franchise even further.
3. PGI has done absolutely everything they can to lead the MW franchise as far from BattleTech as possible. The new game will have nothing to do with BT either. At this point we are better off with no MW game than another one from PGI.

1. The money comes from their profits and they use some of it to fund a new game. Other companies that are "guilty" of this are Blizzard, Bioware, DICE, 2K, Nintendo.... Shall I continue, or do you see that this is just normal for game developers?

2. Wrong! There have been ups and downs, but overall, I see progress, and it has been a lot better since IGP left the scene.

3. PGI actually returned to Battletech after MW4 tossed it out of the window, and some aspects of MWO are the first true implememtations of the tabletop rules (like the -2 hit modifier for pulse lasers for example).