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BLOOD WOLF, on 11 February 2017 - 11:26 AM, said:

I don't think some people understand the concept of you quirking what you want. That's what the skill tree comes down to. Its no different from skyrims perk tree.

And some people don't understand the concept of quirking the most useful skills, which in the skill tree are very clear. Of course, as it's been said before you can skill your mech as you want, but it will be objectively worse. And in a game where the objective is win, well, you still can "play for fun" but you can also do it while quirking your mech in the most useful way...

Skyrim perk tree has almost all skill trees useful (apart of different to some extent), and compulsory depending on the character you wanted to play. Right now in the MWO test, almost 70 points are fixed (because they are objectively better than the rest) and the rest are for your weapon system of choice.

And this is something that everybody can realize at first glance...

[FireStoat]

Oberost, on 11 February 2017 - 12:42 PM, said:

And this is something that everybody can realize at first glance...

You're dealing with a renowned forum troll. He's not quite up to speed on realizing the obvious before he tosses out something on his keyboard.

I completely agree with what you said and it's one of the first things I noticed with the new skill tree. Previously, with the old system you ended up having to take a few things that you didn't necessarily want, like the hastened ignition skill for starting up your mech faster. But the old system only had a couple of sour traits such as that one.

In the new tree, the weapon branches aren't so bad. The PPC one for example has a mix of velocity, range, cooldown, and heat, but a player can largely spend talents directly for the elements they want. For a clan player wanting PPC velocity the most, there's nearly no wasted points in obtaining it. If you want the full Heat reduction, yes, you will be forced to take a few things you don't want because that's probably one of the best things you could spec for, and PGI knows it.

The upshot is that by and large, to get the best thing the tree offers you only have to spec through a path of something you feel good about and would end up using to reach it. The vast majority of the other non weapon trees throw this concept out the window. If you want Speed tweak at rank 5, you WILL end up with a LOT of garbage you don't want at all. It's not even close to what a player experienced with the weapon trees.

Comparing it to skyrim is laughable. Anyone who has played that game is familiar with how the branches fork solely into paths that serve set purposes that a player might want, with entire huge percentages of the rest of the tree never being forced on them because the served a different use or set of bonuses for a specialized area. Two handed weapon skill ring a bell for anyone?

It was a much, much better design.

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Srry, do all the spin you want and keep special pleading. I can use Farcry's(primal) skill trees as well. Skyrim did also incorporate some not so useful quirks to get to good ones as well. Namely the summon two deadra skill which nothing else was of much importance. Then again it's subjective

never said skyrim wasn't a better design, however its does have flaws. And skills that were not particularly useful to me that i needed to get through to get to better skills.

actually There(MWO) skill tree system is not new design and various game have used this method.

Also similar to Borderlands skill tree, how I definitely had to plow through not so usefull skills to get to better ones. I also got to re-spec just like what MWO is proposing to have different sets of skills if I wanted.

Oberost, on 11 February 2017 - 12:42 PM, said:

you can skill your mech as you want, but it will be objectively worse.

Also I hoped the smarter people of the forums have learned to ignore these guys. They don't demonstrate anything, just spout nonsensical assertions.

Edited by BLOOD WOLF, 11 February 2017 - 02:04 PM.

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BLOOD WOLF, on 11 February 2017 - 01:32 PM, said:

Also I hoped the smarter people of the forums have learned to ignore these guys. They don't demonstrate anything, just spout nonsensical assertions.

Seriously guy, you're a lost cause...