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[Bombast]

Johnny Z, on 09 December 2016 - 01:55 PM, said:

Quoating this for future reference.

Image wont save shows a player named "bear claw" with 7.34 KDR

Oh God, you're going to accuse him of cheating, aren't you?

[Johnny Z]

Bombast, on 09 December 2016 - 02:00 PM, said:

Oh God, you're going to accuse him of cheating, aren't you?

A KDR like that can be farmed in group queue easily. Group queue numbers are worth nothing. But I have seen him in regular queue before. His KDR for regular queue is of course not as high.

By the way of course every match for the leader board I played in regular queue. I miss when group wasn't counted for events.

I wasn't going to go there but well you brought it up.

Edited by Johnny Z, 09 December 2016 - 02:32 PM.

[Snazzy Dragon]

That ridiculously high KDR is really because he plays with a brain, consistently, consistently predicts the enemy and what they'll do, and runs some pretty broken stuff. Headshot flamer build left unchecked is gamebreaking. I ran a nova with 10 smalls 4 flamers on an alt in t4 for a bit and the hackusations were unreal.

[Bombast]

Johnny Z, on 09 December 2016 - 02:05 PM, said:

By the way of course every match for the leader board I played in regular queue. I miss when group wasn't counted for events.

So? The leaderboards you keep bragging about are match counters.

[Moldur]

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IS THE LEADER BOARD THAT IMPORTANT?

no.

[Johnny Z]

Bombast, on 09 December 2016 - 02:25 PM, said:

So? The leaderboards you keep bragging about are match counters.

Yep. Its about number of matches played really and a couple other things.

[Moldur]

I mean...

The MWO leaderboards aren't putting bread on the table.

Hell, they aren't doing anything to feed the extra 3 billion people we're expected to have by 2050.

It isn't even doing anything toward bone tissue engineering as the aging population increases due to increased lifespan.

It certainly isn't fixing the dead zone in the Gulf of Mexico or any major river delta around the world.

It isn't doing anything to get the government brain hacking device out of my dog either. Next thing you know, my cat is gonna start pouring chromium-6 into my water. Already had to stop buying milk because of the uranium tablets.

Edited by Moldur, 09 December 2016 - 02:43 PM.

[Jman5]

Johnny Z, on 09 December 2016 - 12:27 PM, said:

Good then you wont mind if I take top spot then. Thanks.

Well I hope you're prepared to play about 4-5x as many games as you have already before the month is out because historically that's about what it will take to have the most wins by season's end.

[Johnny Z]

Jman5, on 09 December 2016 - 02:51 PM, said:

Well I hope you're prepared to play about 4-5x as many games as you have already before the month is out because historically that's about what it will take to have the most wins by season's end.

I'm just kidding around, I will fool around with it a bit more for a few days and that's it. More than likely anyway.

[Lukoi Banacek]

Johnny Z, on 09 December 2016 - 02:35 PM, said:

Yep. Its about number of matches played really and a couple other things.

Actually it's just a series of indicators.

Most people sort by average match score, the closest stat to anything so simplistic measuring performance/skill/experience given the lack of granularity in this game. KDR is a close second, followed by WLR. No one equates volume of matches with actually being good at the game in and of itself.

Outside of being a pretty spare indicator set tho, no, the leaderboards don't mean much.

Irony aside, OP's past commentaries are a good indicator as well. I'm surprised at so many people's attempts at trying to get him to see his own foibles given his history. Ya'll really should know better

[H I A S]

Maybe Jonnys h4x just suck?

[Zergling]

The leaderboards themselves don't mean much, but when compared to known averages (like here), they can give an indication of player performance and skill.


OP is mostly playing mediums in Season 6, with 1.32 W/L, 1.85 K/D and 237 average match score.

Compared to season 4 averages:
W/L = between top 25% and top 10%
K/D = between top 10% and top 5%
Average MS = between top 25% and top 10%

So OP is most likely between top 25% and top 10% of the playerbase. A fairly good player by most standards.


That said, stats are very heavily influenced by how poorly balanced the game is; if the same player runs average or bad mechs, they won't score anywhere near as good as they will in Tier 1 meta builds.

Eg, see my own heavy stats:
Season 3 = 1.92 W/L, 1.59 K/D, 245 average MS
Season 4 = 1.53 W/L, 1.97 K/D, 288 average MS
Season 5 = 1.31 W/L, 1.98 K/D, 280 average MS
Season 6 = 2.33 W/L, 5.23 K/D, 443 average MS

Why are my stats in Season 6 so much higher? Because I'm going Tier 1 meta tryhard mode this month; first 10 battles were finishing off mastery in my Black Widow, the rest have been in Summoners with loyalty hardpoints.

Edited by Zergling, 09 December 2016 - 03:13 PM.

[Johnny Z]

Zergling, on 09 December 2016 - 03:12 PM, said:

The leaderboards themselves don't mean much, but when compared to known averages (like here), they can give an indication of player performance and skill.


OP is mostly playing mediums in Season 6, with 1.32 W/L, 1.85 K/D and 237 average match score.

Compared to season 4 averages:
W/L = between top 25% and top 10%
K/D = between top 10% and top 5%
Average MS = between top 25% and top 10%

So OP is most likely between top 25% and top 10% of the playerbase. A fairly good player by most standards.


That said, stats are very heavily influenced by how poorly balanced the game is; if the same player runs average or bad mechs, they won't score anywhere near as good as they will in Tier 1 meta builds.

Eg, see my own heavy stats:
Season 3 = 1.92 W/L, 1.59 K/D, 245 average MS
Season 4 = 1.53 W/L, 1.97 K/D, 288 average MS
Season 5 = 1.31 W/L, 1.98 K/D, 280 average MS
Season 6 = 2.33 W/L, 5.23 K/D, 443 average MS

Why are my stats in Season 6 so much higher? Because I'm going Tier 1 meta tryhard mode this month; first 10 battles were finishing off mastery in my Black Widow, the rest have been in Summoners with loyalty hardpoints.

Thank you. I use only the PXH R this season. In the past, Commando, Centurian, Cicada, Orion, Stalker, Locust, Wolverine and a few other. So I use pretty average mechs. Almost forgot the King Crab, one of my favourites.

I don't call the easier mechs, meta mechs, I call them cheese mechs.

Edited by Johnny Z, 09 December 2016 - 03:51 PM.

[Zergling]

Johnny Z, on 09 December 2016 - 03:36 PM, said:

Thank you. I use only the PHX R this season. In the past, Commando, Centurian, Cicada, Orion, Stalker, Locust, Wolverine and a few other. So I use pretty average mechs. Almost forgot the King Crab, one of my favourites.

I don't call the easier mechs, meta mechs, I call them cheese mechs.

I haven't played any of the Phoenix Hawks, but they seem fairly average mechs to me, so I'd say your stats are 'legit' indicators of your skill level.

I predict your stats would be hitting top 10% to top 5% level if you were using meta mechs, maybe even higher if you were using something as obscenely OP as the Summoner or KDK-3.

[Dex Spero]

How could the leader board stats possibly be relevant when the stats are collected from players trying to accomplish different things? Pilots are trying out new mechs, or new builds, or even a new weight class for the first time. Others are trying new strategies. Some are even purposely fooling around with joke builds for giggles.

As statistics go, the data set used for the leader boards is simply too broad to actually have any value.

[Lukoi Banacek]

237 in mediums is solidly above average. That's about it. Phx in pugland make for obnoxious run and gun mechs (esp with PPCs as it turns out). If you follow any of the community threads regarding the data, you'll delete the extraneous players with 1 match where they scored an 800 match score and then didn't play that account again, and the sub 10, 25 or 50 matches (where ever you feel the arbitrary # needs to be set to make the statistics worthwhile indicators). Suddenly you go from 55k to 21-22k of regular players who have numbers that actually feed the median.....which jumps from 175 to 200-210 at that point.

Undoubtedly his scores would increase in better mechs. But really, it's besides the point.

The entire discussion on this thread is really revolving around both ego (what? I'm being accused of hacks?? perish the thought) and of previous behavior (i.e. OP's fairly common rants about people cheating, when he in fact is putting up decent but simply average statistics).

In other words, it's a bad look.

[Ace Selin]

meteorol, on 09 December 2016 - 10:44 AM, said:

Nah, they didn't call him a cheater.

They probably made fun of him for falsely spotting a cheater like almost every match he plays, and he once more didn't understand what was actually going on.

you genuinely made me chuckle.
well played good sir

[Nightmare1]

People actually read the Leaderboard?

[Dirus Nigh]

I use the leader board for a bench mark about my own progress as a player. It tells me I'm getting worse. Which is true, because I let my frustrations effect my attitude, which effects my game play. That is why my stats are on the down slide.

All this means is that I have to chill. be more aware in game. Learn from my mistakes. Then I would see improvement in the stats.

[Johnny Z]

Using a Hero mech for a leaderboard run for the extra 30% creds is a good idea.

No way anyone with a full time job could even try though. So forget about it and it isn't important in the least anyway.

The top 2 guys are playing tons and tons so far.

Edited by Johnny Z, 09 December 2016 - 05:37 PM.