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[Extirpator]

Nice to see little additions to general game play. The new voice files are very atmospheric but I do wonder if this new commander will end up in the Hague.

The order: "Lets clean up the survivors" followed by "well done soldier" is a short step to "execute the prisoners". Still, its 3051 so this stuff doesn't matter perhaps :-)

[RestosIII]

I still think that Angry Clan Man is a Smoke Jaguar commander. ****Ing Smoke Jaguar and their war crimes. Still believe Ian Hawker was Diamond Shark's worst Khan, just because he sided with those maniacs.

[The Zohan]

RestosIII, on 13 December 2016 - 11:12 PM, said:

I still think that Angry Clan Man is a Smoke Jaguar commander. ****Ing Smoke Jaguar and their war crimes. Still believe Ian Hawker was Diamond Shark's worst Khan, just because he sided with those maniacs.

Oh you.

[RestosIII]

The Zohan, on 13 December 2016 - 11:15 PM, said:

Oh you.

Shouldn't you be off bombing a city like Edo?

[Zergling]

Edo was a legitimate target.

[jjm1]

RestosIII, on 13 December 2016 - 11:12 PM, said:

I still think that Angry Clan Man is a Smoke Jaguar commander. ****Ing Smoke Jaguar and their war crimes. Still believe Ian Hawker was Diamond Shark's worst Khan, just because he sided with those maniacs.

What makes him clan? He sounds like a caricature of a pirate.

Clans revere Star League standard English but have their own words in battle, so much so that Inner Sphere often cant understand it.

I've never even heard clan communications in media as described in lore, but I'll say MW2 did it right by having your mechs computer dictate incoming messages.

[Kasumi Sumika]

RestosIII, on 13 December 2016 - 11:12 PM, said:

I still think that Angry Clan Man is a Smoke Jaguar commander. ****Ing Smoke Jaguar and their war crimes. Still believe Ian Hawker was Diamond Shark's worst Khan, just because he sided with those maniacs.

Even in MW2:GBL this song named after the hate toward Smoke Jag.

[RestosIII]

Zergling, on 13 December 2016 - 11:33 PM, said:

Edo was a legitimate target.

Bombing a city from orbit is never right. It's cowardly and barbaric.

jjm1, on 13 December 2016 - 11:34 PM, said:

He sounds like a caricature of a pirate.

An ANGRY pirate! A super gravelly, angry voice has always been what I imagined a Smoke Jaguar commander to be, and his voice perfectly fits the image in my head.

[Vellron2005]

jjm1, on 13 December 2016 - 11:34 PM, said:

He sounds like a caricature of a pirate.

Everything's better with pirates!

And bacon..

[Requiemking]

RestosIII, on 13 December 2016 - 11:52 PM, said:

Bombing a city from orbit is never right. It's cowardly and barbaric.



An ANGRY pirate! A super gravelly, angry voice has always been what I imagined a Smoke Jaguar commander to be, and his voice perfectly fits the image in my head.

Not quite, but close enough. I'd imagine a sales rep from Clan Crystal Tuna(you know who I'm talking about) sounds like a combination of a door-to-door solicitor and a used car salesman.

[Karl Streiger]

RestosIII, on 13 December 2016 - 11:52 PM, said:

Bombing a city from orbit is never right. It's cowardly and barbaric.

I know you are sensitive there. At least you lost a city on your own to your own tactical nuke.

[Clownwarlord]

Yeah smoke jags are the biggest war criminals that I have read about out of all the factions so far (mind you not to jihad time frame yet). Yeah a yakuza member bombed a local spot where some smoke jags where. But to destroy an entire apartment and then threaten to destroy another every few minutes till the person responsible gave them self up. Luckily a Buddhist monk came out and said he did it, only to be shot.

Mind you only later did the yakuza break out the son of Theodore Kurita only to have the smoke jags retaliate by destroying the entire city with orbital bombardment.

Edited by Clownwarlord, 14 December 2016 - 01:00 AM.

[RestosIII]

Requiemking, on 14 December 2016 - 12:52 AM, said:

Not quite, but close enough. I'd imagine a sales rep from Clan Crystal Tuna(you know who I'm talking about) sounds like a combination of a door-to-door solicitor and a used car salesman.

Old footage of two of our best and brightest at work here.



But seriously, Smoke Jaguar is just so despicable. I view them as the bad guys of Battletech.

[Greyboots]

Extirpator, on 13 December 2016 - 10:59 PM, said:

Nice to see little additions to general game play. The new voice files are very atmospheric but I do wonder if this new commander will end up in the Hague.

I completely disagree, I actually find them quite juvenile. Reminds me of command and conquer back when I was much younger which is a game based in it's share of comedy while MWO is a far more serious universe and I'm now in my 40's..

Just not the right move for MWO IMHO; the game is just too serious for them to work and I am apparently not alone in that thought. A significant portion of the playerbase seems to agree with me; not "the majority" but a significant enough portion to be concerning. I turned them off almost immediately which is a shame because they are actually quite helpful at times.

[Clownwarlord]

The only faction just as bad as smoke jags is comstar.

[Requiemking]

RestosIII, on 14 December 2016 - 12:59 AM, said:

Old footage of two of our best and brightest at work here.



But seriously, Smoke Jaguar is just so despicable. I view them as the bad guys of Battletech.

Yeah, they really are. And before you jump on my back for being with them, I'm only allied with them because my XO decided to join them for the time being. I would much rather be in Ghost Bear.

[Zergling]

Clownwarlord, on 14 December 2016 - 12:59 AM, said:

Yeah smoke jags are the biggest war criminals that I have read about out of all the factions so far (mind you not to jihad time frame yet). Yeah a yakuza member bombed a local spot where some smoke jags where. But to destroy an entire apartment and then threaten to destroy another every few minutes till the person responsible gave them self up. Luckily a Buddhist monk came out and said he did it, only to be shot.

Mind you only later did the yakuza break out the son of Theodore Kurita only to have the smoke jags retaliate by destroying the entire city with orbital bombardment.

Well, after the Buddhist monk came out and got shot, they then decided to race the entire neighborhood anyway.

Smoke Jaguars were {Richard Cameron} like that.

[Karl Streiger]

Clownwarlord, on 14 December 2016 - 12:59 AM, said:

Yeah smoke jags are the biggest war criminals that I have read about out of all the factions so far (mind you not to jihad time frame yet). Yeah a yakuza member bombed a local spot where some smoke jags where. But to destroy an entire apartment and then threaten to destroy another every few minutes till the person responsible gave them self up. Luckily a Buddhist monk came out and said he did it, only to be shot.

Mind you only later did the yakuza break out the son of Theodore Kurita only to have the smoke jags retaliate by destroying the entire city with orbital bombardment.

Smoke Jags are just small-time vilians when compared with Hanse Davion, or Victor Davion. Both startet wars because the first get insulted in the sand box and the second because his sister has taken his toys.

and still they have thousands of followers - but sympathy for the devil is a thing right?

Clownwarlord, on 14 December 2016 - 01:01 AM, said:

The only faction just as bad as smoke jags is comstar.

I would word it misguided.

Edited by Karl Streiger, 14 December 2016 - 02:15 AM.

[Lily from animove]

Extirpator, on 13 December 2016 - 10:59 PM, said:

Nice to see little additions to general game play. The new voice files are very atmospheric but I do wonder if this new commander will end up in the Hague.

The order: "Lets clean up the survivors" followed by "well done soldier" is a short step to "execute the prisoners". Still, its 3051 so this stuff doesn't matter perhaps :-)

illegal?

do we even know the laws of that time?

[Dee Eight]

Extirpator, on 13 December 2016 - 10:59 PM, said:

Nice to see little additions to general game play. The new voice files are very atmospheric but I do wonder if this new commander will end up in the Hague.

The order: "Lets clean up the survivors" followed by "well done soldier" is a short step to "execute the prisoners". Still, its 3051 so this stuff doesn't matter perhaps :-)

Victors never serve war crimes. That's why americans are safe most of the time, and why the vietnamese didn't after their war (as they WON it). None of the allied leaders in WW2 were charged with war crimes even though they largely outdid the axis powers in terms of behavio (aside from the "final solution"). Everyone just points at Adolf and the Holocaust... and ignores Iosef's actions during the war...or Dwight's or Winston's.

The fight bombing raids on Dresden and Tokyo for example... deliberate targeting of civilians. Toyko's firebombing was the single greatest loss of life and area of destruction of all allied bombing raids of WW2. 15.8 square miles of the city destroyed, one hundred thousand plus dead in one night, a million injured, and more than a million left homeless.

Nowadays its pretty safe to assume that the five permanent members of the UN security council will never be subject to war crimes of its citizens. One reason is they all have nuclear weapons. Likewise Israel and North Korea who also have nuclear weapons, and India and Pakistan... not ever gonna have to deal with war crimes. Nor syria as Russia is an ally. Canada is safe because of the UK. The list goes on.

Edited by Dee Eight, 14 December 2016 - 02:33 AM.