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[TopDawg]

Willard Phule, on 14 December 2016 - 03:06 AM, said:

Really.

If PGI had even the faintest ability to keep people separated by ability, we wouldn't have this problem. There is absolutely NO REASON for a new player to ever be on the same team as a Tier 1, ever. They should be able to learn at their own pace and gradually enter into other "tiers" of play.

Nope, not PGI's philosophy. PGI believes that the better you are, the harder you must carry. When you're looking at an uneven playing field like that, you better expect the guys that are doing the carrying to tell the potatoes that they're potatoes.

Hey, it's you. The person who complains at the start of every match, but then only does like 200 damage. Hello, /wave.

@ rest of thread: As for the topic at hand, there's a fundamental difference between a newb (someone new to a game) and a noob (someone that's been playing a long time and is just bad).

I get that people play games for different reasons (i.e. competing, unwinding, etc), and I also get that I'd rather have games to play in than waiting 5, 10, or 15 minutes for a single match; or worse yet, not even be able to get a game. But it's undeniably frustrating to do 800+ damage, get most/all of the kills your team had, and still lose that game.

[Appogee]

Antares102, on 14 December 2016 - 04:33 AM, said:

Unfortunatelly if PGI did it differently (properly) then most T1 won't get a
game within 15 minutes during the lowest population period.
Serious question: What would be preferable? Not playing or playing with potatoes?

Serious answer: I would rather wait longer for a decent game. Even if that means "no game" at times.

However, as there are minimum 700 Steam users online at minimum, it seems highly unlikely there aren't at least 24 Tier 1 players available at any time.

Further, the issue seems to also be the uneven distribution (ie across both teams) of the Tier 1 players. I've seen matches where all the players I know to be good are on only one side. It makes no sense.

[Karl Streiger]

Appogee, on 14 December 2016 - 06:33 AM, said:

Further, the issue seems to also be the uneven distribution (ie across both teams) of the Tier 1 players. I've seen matches where all the players I know to be good are on only one side. It makes no sense.

Sense?
No but this is the beauty of PSR.

If ELO aka W/L would have been used for its full potential it would have been the better quality measurement.

I have the suspicion that PSR uses the point values as ELO did and create a SUM of those points and average things out. and 100 PSR Point = 100 PSR Point doesn't matter if the one has a W/L of 5 and the other of 0.5.
Otherwise dropping with "real" T1 lately wouldn't have made any sense either. But its nice to be back in the big pool

Edited by Karl Streiger, 14 December 2016 - 06:39 AM.

[Galenit]

Antares102, on 14 December 2016 - 06:15 AM, said:

You play for fun and thereby ruining somebody else game experience which is winning=fun.

Its a lot more fun to lose with 11/12 then win with 12/0 for me, stomping enemys is boring and no fun for me, but everyone has other expectations ...

Playing games is for fun and relaxing,
stompy robots that explode are fun and relaxing,
but it has no means in the rl, its for spare times.

[Tristan Winter]

Being bad at video games isn't such a bad thing. Who cares?

Also, it would be nice if one could check a box to only be matched up against players from the same tier. So MM would start putting together matches for people who have time to wait 5-10 minutes for a match, just for the sake of getting into a pure Tier 1, pure Tier 2 or pure Tier 4 match, for example.

[Lehmund]

627, on 14 December 2016 - 02:46 AM, said:

Maybe I'm just fed up with people making fun about other people because they can't aim for sh!t.

I know there are people in MWO who play with joysticks or who only pilot stock mechs. I know that is borderline ******** in this game and as useful as playing with a fishing controller. I know there are people here who are 50+ and still play this game to their abilities.

Some are good players, some are bad players, some are new players. But I see a trend that anyone who is not getting 200 damage or whatever is called potato and is the sole reason that the leet playerz lost. I just don't like this attitude I guess. It is kinda toxic to see this and someday we'll wonder whya no one wants to play with us anymore.

I agree with you. I don't like any kind of name calling. It is demeaning and lowers credibility of whoever utters it. People should play and have fun. Enjoy the ride. You'll encounter people of different skill.

On the other hand, if people are just intentionally being stupid.... just call it like it is.... stupid and leave the vegetable names for the kitchen.

[Galenit]

Tristan Winter, on 14 December 2016 - 06:37 AM, said:

Being bad at video games isn't such a bad thing. Who cares?

Also, it would be nice if one could check a box to only be matched up against players from the same tier. So MM would start putting together matches for people who have time to wait 5-10 minutes for a match, just for the sake of getting into a pure Tier 1, pure Tier 2 or pure Tier 4 match, for example.

Suggest some threads ago a simple "competive" checkbox,
would maybe obsolete the whole psr/tier system ...

[The Unstoppable Puggernaut]

Nice to see some great ideas coming through. I have no problems waiting longer, for a better quality match.

I have to wait loads anyways so I switch to mobile phone games during the wait.

Question is, how do we get PGI to do this?

[Antares102]

Galenit, on 14 December 2016 - 06:35 AM, said:

Its a lot more fun to lose with 11/12 then win with 12/0 for me, stomping enemys is boring and no fun for me, but everyone has other expectations ...

Yes I agree, if one is in "winning" mode having a close loss is also fun but only if you know that you didn't do any (serious) mistakes. If you or your team are in "winning" mode then a loss should always trigger some reflection i.e. learning. If you or your team is not in "winning" mode then noboby complains about potatoes too much asaide from the typical "oh look at the 99% LRM boat being the last of his team".

Probably the biggest problem is that there are at least three types of people:
1.Those who play a few matches per week truely for fun and who have no expectation or the goal to win, just shoot stuff. I dont know if you could call these people potatoes or not.
2.Those who want to win but are too much potato to improve oneself and therefore hidding behind the real "playing for fun" players to obscure their own inability to learn.
3.Those who want to win and constantly trying to improve their skills and knowledge about the game.

This thread is primarily a clash between group 2 and 3.

Edited by Antares102, 14 December 2016 - 06:57 AM.

[QuantumButler]

Black Phoebe, on 14 December 2016 - 05:18 AM, said:

Are you aware, that you qualify for a potatoe yourself?

At least for those people who only judge other players by their kdr or their average damage/matchscore. Because for them that is all that matters.

I would call your stats decent, but many of them would not. They would call you a potatoe.

It's true I have old man reflexes and am not particularly good at videogames anymore, I tried to play Counterstrike again recently and was truly shown how bad I am.

That said, I've mostly seen potatoe referring to the truly hopeless players [sub 100 damage club] and that is who my ire is directed at.

That said I never use the term "potatoe" myself, it's usually "bads" "scrublords" or "****ers"

Edited by QuantumButler, 14 December 2016 - 06:50 AM.

[PyckenZot]

Who is the real potatoe? The potatoe running second line and ready to push in? Or the potatoe running first line, realising his push meets opposition and gets scared. Aburptly backing up, bumping the eager attacker behind him and then calling him a potatoe?

There are many sides to a story. Thus are there many potatoes. Ask the Irish what happens when there aren't many potatoes. I vote to keep our potatoes, and cultivate them!

[Novakaine]

Well I'm a enlist snob and proud of it.
"Taters are simple taters great tasting, but simple useless in game."

[Rakshasa]

Remember, even in the worst game, you're only a few minutes away from a new one.

[Galenit]

The Unstoppable Puggernaut, on 14 December 2016 - 06:43 AM, said:

Nice to see some great ideas coming through. I have no problems waiting longer, for a better quality match.

I have to wait loads anyways so I switch to mobile phone games during the wait.

Question is, how do we get PGI to do this?

Introduce the checkbox as two buckets system to them?

Maybe we need to tie the checkbox to the leaderboards seasons to prevent some checkbox hopping for some folks that need some stomps to fell good if their self perception is not matching their performance?

[QuantumButler]

Galenit, on 14 December 2016 - 07:02 AM, said:

Introduce the checkbox as two buckets system to them?

Maybe we need to tie the checkbox to the leaderboards seasons to prevent some checkbox hopping for some folks that need some stomps to fell good if their self perception is not matching their performance?

The more complicated the system is, the more moving parts for veteran developers PGI to **** up and do "first passes" [that are also last passes] on.

[Antares102]

Rakshasa, on 14 December 2016 - 06:59 AM, said:

Remember, even in the worst game, you're only a few minutes away from a new one.

But most often not different potatoes .. ehm people.

[627]

Tristan Winter, on 14 December 2016 - 06:37 AM, said:

Being bad at video games isn't such a bad thing. Who cares?

Also, it would be nice if one could check a box to only be matched up against players from the same tier. So MM would start putting together matches for people who have time to wait 5-10 minutes for a match, just for the sake of getting into a pure Tier 1, pure Tier 2 or pure Tier 4 match, for example.

So, a tryhard queue? Like 'ranked' games, no fun allowed?

While I like the idea, I bet 10 cbills there would be enough people who don't check that to keep farming newbs, even if they'd had no problem waiting.

And I think we all know that there are enough people in the higher tiers that just don't belong there if it was a true skill system. Yeah, I think I can't formulate that in a different way without contradicting myself

[Tristan Winter]

627, on 14 December 2016 - 07:24 AM, said:

So, a tryhard queue? Like 'ranked' games, no fun allowed?

If you don't like bullying, shouldn't you avoid derogatory terms like "tryhard"?

627, on 14 December 2016 - 07:24 AM, said:

While I like the idea, I bet 10 cbills there would be enough people who don't check that to keep farming newbs, even if they'd had no problem waiting.

There would be fewer Tier 1 players mixed with low tier players than today. Right now, everyone's "farming newbs" because MM doesn't give us a choice.

627, on 14 December 2016 - 07:24 AM, said:

And I think we all know that there are enough people in the higher tiers that just don't belong there if it was a true skill system. Yeah, I think I can't formulate that in a different way without contradicting myself

Sure, people are always going to ridicule each other's skills, no matter how many restrictions there are. But you can always try to improve things instead of just resigning to the fact that some people are rude no matter what.

[Ghostmaker]

<-----Potato

[Wil McCullough]

Galenit, on 14 December 2016 - 04:15 AM, said:

Why should someone do or care what other randome internet guys do or say?

Challenges? Thats what the real life is for, they pay the bills.
Git Gud, for sure i would invest time and energy for it, if it pay my bills or improves my life.

Mattering about a virtual computergame without any means but relaxing and having fun?
No way, my time is to valuable to care about a virtual computer game or some random internetguy.

yup. playing video games is recreation. you know what else is recreation? sport. sport like playing basketball on saturday at the local street court. or football. it's all just for fun.

but like i mentioned in page one, how would you like it if your football teammate just started digging a hole in the mud with a stick while the game is still going on? and refuses to drop it? he finds it fun. and recreation is about fun, right?

or your bball teammate just decided that every time he gets the ball he'll just fling it at the hoop from half court. FUN.

new pilots aren't potatoes. they're just... new. and that's fine. but there ARE potatoes. and some pilots ARE potatoes. they have no ears and like to bury themselves in the ground, hence the name. pilots aren't potatoes for performing poorly. ****, i've done <100 damage in matches before due to mistakes. potato are potatoes because they refuse to listen to advice, utilize a combination of weapon load outs and play styles that they KNOW are detrimental to the team's success because they find it FUN.

FUN.

just like the guy flinging basketballs from half court finds it FUN. but i wouldn't be surprised that no one else will play with him again. and it wouldn't be surprising if the other players on-court feel sour about this guy doing his FUN thing.

yes, the half court guy and the mwo potato is entitled to his FUN in his game. but guess what, so are the rest of the pilots dropping with and against him. when you play a team game, it is common courtesy to NOT do things that'll be detrimental to the FUN everyone else has. there are terms for people like that. they're called "griefers" or "trolls".

compared to those names, i think potato is being pretty polite already.

don't you think so too?