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[TWIAFU]

Nimnul, on 19 December 2016 - 05:28 PM, said:

I'm not going to learn English and my friends too. Decadent West thinks that rules the world, and that the English spoken by the whole world. It's a delusion. In Russian is spoken by all countries of the former USSR. There et even China and India. Total least 6/5 of the population does not speak English.

If the fish want money, they need to translate at least a menu.

And facts are lost in Communist Russia.

https://www.accredit...n-the-internet/

Almost a BILLION people use English on the interwebs.

English is used FIVE TIMES more then the whole population of Russia itself.

English is used so much it almost matches the whole population of China - will match or exceed by 2020.

If they are to translate into the most popular languages used on the internet, Russian has to wait behind;

Chinese - 705 million
Spanish - 256 million
Arabic - 168 million
Portuguese - 130 million
Japanese - 115 million
Russian 100 million


Now your informed and can now correct all of your posting errors.

[Jon Gotham]

Trouble is, if this trend of localisation continues...all it does is encourage people to isolate themselves
Like you want to do OP. I love your language, have had a few Russian friends over the years. But I will say this, wether you like it or not..or want to admit it if not English is THE language not yours.
How are we as people supposed to talk and know each other if we keep up the tribalism BS?
If suggest having local language AND English one on top of the other, might help people learn the basics? We should not be encouraging separation within our community.

Trouble is, if this trend of localisation continues...all it does is encourage people to isolate themselves
Like you want to do OP. I love your language, have had a few Russian friends over the years. But I will say this, wether you like it or not..or want to admit it if not English is THE language not yours.
How are we as people supposed to talk and know each other if we keep up the tribalism BS?
If suggest having local language AND English one on top of the other, might help people learn the basics? We should not be encouraging separation within our community.

[Reverend Herring]

As a finn, no need to translate.

[Nimnul]

We do not see the answer officially persons. In the meantime, I have learned about the 5 people. Who did not watch the game, in which even the menu could not translate. What a huge loss of players and money... The fact that normal developers do in the first place. Fish did not even after 5 years.

[a gaijin]

OP is absolutely correct.

Part of the reason that MWO isn't popular in Japan at all is that there is:
1) no Japanese language option.
2) never advertised here.
3) so few know about it. All players here I know are American.

If it was globally advertised and had text for languages of all target market countries there'd be a higher potential customer base.
Okay...I'll stop stating the obvious now and get back to drinking

[Nimnul]

Star Commander Horse, on 24 January 2017 - 05:57 AM, said:

1) no Japanese language option.

150 million Japanese, this is too small a market for the fish. Even the 1.3 billion Chinese do not deserve attention. What is already talking about 250-300 million people of the former Soviet Union, who speak Russian.

[Paigan]

I didn't realize at first that this is an older thread.
I really wanted to like the first response, but then I saw ... ooh...

I never read this thread after my initial post. What a nice discussion emerged after that. .

Bottom line: Better start learning the international language (and if Russians stop destroying their brains with Vodka, it won't even be difficult for them. )

Edited by Paigan, 24 January 2017 - 06:23 AM.

[Nimnul]

Paigan, on 24 January 2017 - 06:22 AM, said:

Bottom line: Better start learning the international language )

I will learn the international language after so decide in the UN. Now, the international language (English) is your illusion.

About vodka. Those who do not know the measures already long ago dead. This is Darwin's natural selection. Now very few people drink

Edited by Nimnul, 24 January 2017 - 07:20 AM.

[Nerokar]

C'mon guys be nice to each other... Every coin has two sides.

Fact is:
Nimnul is (a bit to agressive in my opinion [most of your answers were not better], but still) right. Translating this game would open it to a bigger community.

But fact is also:
It costs a lot of money and organisation on the side of PGI (lesser evil).
Bigger evil is: We would speak different languages, splitting the community...

Atm wie speak of CERLL (Clan Extended Range Large Laser)
After translation it would be (exaggerating):
CERLL (Clan Extended Range Large Laser) in engish
CLmeR (Clanlaser mit erweiterten Reichweite) in german
What would be russian?
ВКЛУД (большой клановский лазер с увеличеной дальнобойностью)
Sorry for mistakes, russion is my third language...

An other fact:
every big fraction represented in MWO speaks engish and uses english terminology.
Only one fraction speaks russian...
Only three fractions speak german...

Edited by Nerokar, 24 January 2017 - 07:59 AM.

[Mystere]

Paigan, on 15 December 2016 - 10:10 AM, said:

The world is growing together via the internet.
English is simple, well-sounding and above all: dominant.
Take it as an opportunity to learn it better :-)

(And no, I'm not some arrogant US guy ignorant towards any other language. I'm German and I think it's a good thing that people learn the international language to have a common denominator to talk to each other instead of hiding in their locality)

Just three comments:

• English is not really considered simple by many linguists.
  
• The most used language in the world is (arguably -- depending on sources) Mandarin (including Standard Chinese).
  
• Many business people are going to Mandarin language courses for a reason.

Edited by Mystere, 24 January 2017 - 08:10 AM.

[Bombast]

Nimnul, on 24 January 2017 - 07:10 AM, said:

This is Darwin's natural selection.

No it isn't.

Nimnul, on 24 January 2017 - 07:10 AM, said:

Now very few people drink

Russia had one of the highest per person alcohol consumption rates in the world until a couple of years ago, and as of now it's still competing for one of the three top slots. Russian alcohol sellers claim that recent declines in alcohol sales have been matched by the use of illegal substitutes, like moon shine and methonal.

[Mystere]

TWIAFU, on 17 December 2016 - 06:01 AM, said:

However, facts are lost in Russia atm aren't they?

Ahem! Coming from the land of The Donald, that's a statement that just might backfire.

latinisator, on 17 December 2016 - 06:38 AM, said:

While I would agree, I see the OPs point. As for me, I would suggest to have latin included. <3

As someone who was practically raised by Jesuits, I know for a fact that that is a dying language.

Nimnul, on 19 December 2016 - 05:28 PM, said:

If the fish want money, they need to translate at least a menu.

This makes business sense.

Edited by Mystere, 24 January 2017 - 08:30 AM.

[a gaijin]

Nimnul, on 24 January 2017 - 06:17 AM, said:

150 million Japanese, this is too small a market for the fish. Even the 1.3 billion Chinese do not deserve attention. What is already talking about 250-300 million people of the former Soviet Union, who speak Russian.

Paigan, on 24 January 2017 - 06:22 AM, said:

I didn't realize at first that this is an older thread.
I really wanted to like the first response, but then I saw ... ooh...

[L1f3H4ck]

Necro? Nah, this thing is just a couple of months old.

Anyhow, learn to english.

[Nimnul]

Every second piranha loses 5 new players ...

[Bombast]

Nimnul, on 12 February 2017 - 02:49 AM, said:

Every second piranha loses 5 new players ...

If PGI had 6 million users and lost one player a second, no one would play this game after 70 days.

Hyperbole really isn't your forte. I wouldn't resort to it. Than again, providing evidence and non-offensive arguments doesn't seem to be your speed either, so I'm not surewhat you should do.

[jss78]

Mystere, on 24 January 2017 - 08:09 AM, said:

Just three comments:

• English is not really considered simple by many linguists.
  
• The most used language in the world is (arguably -- depending on sources) Mandarin (including Standard Chinese).
  
• Many business people are going to Mandarin language courses for a reason.

True, I don't think English is in purely linguistic terms ideal for a universal language. It's just what we ended up with for historical reasons. And I agree it's better than not having a universal language.

Above all the relationship between spelling and pronunciation is incredibly obfuscated, making it a very difficult language to learn to speak. Also even native English speakers have difficulty spelling words correctly, which is very unusual in other languages. The grammar isn't too bad, I'll take it over the datives/akkusatives/genders of German or the way verbs work in Spanish, but it is often illogical and rife with exceptions.

That said, having everyone learn Mandarin would be an even worse idea.

[METAL SEPARATOR]

The idea is simple - invest some moneys in translation and you get a return in form of new players. This suggestion has been voiced for years with no result. Probably too complicated because you will have to constantly turn to translators when you change/add things in the game. Making sure the translator gets the right translation of your terminology. Too complicated - way easier to just ignore the translation with reasoning "Who would play an online video game without knowing the basics of the English language?" and that's exactly what is happening.

[Mudhutwarrior]

Aviation pushed English as the universal language with maritime backing it up. It's only in place because English dominated after WW2.

I cannot expect PGI to invest in multiple languages but I would expect that in good nature they opened up for the files to be modded outside by interested parties and incorporated into the game.

Till then understand money and power decided English. Nothing else did.

[Shiroi Tsuki]

What if, just a thought, instead of PGI diverting resources from more Content^TM
There's a little group of people in the community that would do free translations for the game and hypothetically speaking, PGI is super impressed, implement it officially, cutting down a lot of the work and less resources, MWO becomes more accessible to a lot of non-english speaking pilots and juuuust maaaaybbbeeeeee those that did free translations got like free Mechbays and a special Mech for their efforts.
Hypothetically speaking