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#41 PhoenixFire55

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Posted 24 December 2016 - 05:42 AM

View PostBrandonKF, on 23 December 2016 - 07:18 PM, said:

The only difference is that in higher tiers, as I understand it, LRMs aren't used as much because most folks just stick to cover all the time.


Doesn't mean they aren't used, it just means that LRM boats are usually either totally depend on their "good" teammates giving them locks or happen to be entirely useless all game long. There are players who can actually use LRMs very effectively even in highest tier games, but for every one of them there are 999 LRM-potatoes.

View PostBrandonKF, on 23 December 2016 - 07:18 PM, said:

Damned if I know how you operate there, but damned if I could really know or care, all I know is that LRMs in this game are used quite often, and as I have been told, you deal with it.


Its a crutch weapon for baddies, that is only effective against baddies. The higher you climb in terms of skill, the more people use cover to effectively counter LRMs, essentially LRMs become a rather ineffective (because of spread) mid-range direct fire weapon. Needless to say there are weapons that do mid-range direct fire far better. All-in-all, LRMs are the least effective weapon system in game, and people who bring anti-LRM equipment in order to counter it are hurting themselves and their team more, because you don't lose to LRMs, you lose either to direct fire mechs that actually effectively kill you or you lose to a spotter with Tag/Narc etc.

View PostBrandonKF, on 23 December 2016 - 07:18 PM, said:

How? Well, either use cover (which may or may not work, depending on where you are), or find a way to avoid being seen (ECM), or use AMS to nullify some of the incoming.


ECM is easily countered by other ECM, better yet Narc or UAV. And even dual AMS is going to struggle against a proper LRM boat. However, unlike AMS, ECM does help in other areas, but it is not anywhere near being essential, which is obvious when you see league teams play. They never even consider bringing a mech into a match for the purpose of having ECM.

Thus, when someone is blaming a loss on the lack of ECM that just shows a total lack of understanding.

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Posted 25 December 2016 - 10:11 AM

View PostLukoi Banacek, on 23 December 2016 - 11:03 PM, said:

Red legs are Artillery man. And the only reason ya need your fourth point of contact is for pulling great threads like this one out. You wanna co-opt a term from the Airborne, at least figure out how to use it a bit better.

KDR, WLR, Average Match score are all indicators of how well you contribute to the winning of your team. Go look at any of the players from DIV A MRBC teams, or Empyreal the recent winners of MWOWC, etc etc. If you look at players with a reasonably sized sample (say 50 matches or so in a month/season), you'll see most if not all of them contribute significantly and that's why they win as often as they do. It's a teamwork game, but that doesn't mean you might not be a weak link in the chain.

If after coming to this forum to cry about the MM, when there's clearly a series of indicators staring you right in the face that you are the common denominator of your perceived team problem, then you should expect to get called out for it.

What doesn't pass muster here is you being stubbornly oblivious to your contribution to your troubles. If you honestly feel like ECM/AMS are somehow the issue, I don't know what else to tell you. You clearly don't yet understand enough about how this game works. Look at the previous tips, do an honest self-assessment and see where you're lacking. Those are areas you can improve on and I bet you'll find that ECM/AMS are the least of the issues you need to worry about in tier 5.


I pulled this out of my *** because I'm pissed. Period. The other part is sitting on the pot.

Been doing all that good stuff of self-assessment, doesn't mean everything will go my way.

As for being stubborn, you're DAMNED right I am. If I wasn't, you think I'd have made it past basic training? Or three f***ing tours?

Nope. I'd have put a bullet in my brain.

And if you don't grasp that, old man, then quite frankly I don't know what the f*** to tell you.

If you've got anything else to talk about, PM me. God bless.

View PostThe Lobsters, on 24 December 2016 - 03:17 AM, said:

OP, honest to god, so many of your niggles are mitigated in group drops. Solo queue is frustrating whichever tier you drop at. Join a group man! Check these forums for groups you might like and send one of their members a friend invite. I'd say send me one but I'm offline till the holidays end.

Some groups insist that you are vocal on comms, but many are cool with you just listening if that's all your connection allows. You can chat between matches and save the bandwidth during the games.

Even just using the LFG will bring you better quality matches and teams. They at least want to get organised.

When you are dropping regularly, say with a couple of assault pilots you know are always going to form up and push, you can invest your time in playing a certain mech or playstyle. In solo queue you have to come dressed for all weathers.

Ed. also, bandwide or bandthin, turning off your voip in this game is like turning off your HUD!


We'll see. I'll turn it back on and see how that affects things. I've been dropped multiple times recently.

As for getting with a group, I'll look into it. Not that I'm completely invested in such an idea, primarily because I already got stuff on my plate elsewhere.

View PostPhoenixFire55, on 24 December 2016 - 05:42 AM, said:


Doesn't mean they aren't used, it just means that LRM boats are usually either totally depend on their "good" teammates giving them locks or happen to be entirely useless all game long. There are players who can actually use LRMs very effectively even in highest tier games, but for every one of them there are 999 LRM-potatoes.

Its a crutch weapon for baddies, that is only effective against baddies. The higher you climb in terms of skill, the more people use cover to effectively counter LRMs, essentially LRMs become a rather ineffective (because of spread) mid-range direct fire weapon. Needless to say there are weapons that do mid-range direct fire far better. All-in-all, LRMs are the least effective weapon system in game, and people who bring anti-LRM equipment in order to counter it are hurting themselves and their team more, because you don't lose to LRMs, you lose either to direct fire mechs that actually effectively kill you or you lose to a spotter with Tag/Narc etc.

ECM is easily countered by other ECM, better yet Narc or UAV. And even dual AMS is going to struggle against a proper LRM boat. However, unlike AMS, ECM does help in other areas, but it is not anywhere near being essential, which is obvious when you see league teams play. They never even consider bringing a mech into a match for the purpose of having ECM.

Thus, when someone is blaming a loss on the lack of ECM that just shows a total lack of understanding.


I am pissed about poor performance. That's it.

My lack of understanding of the game as far as how you operate in the higher tiers is because I've never seen that kind of match.

Doubt I will, anyway.

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Thanks for all the tips.

Peace, and Merry Christmas.

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Posted 25 December 2016 - 10:17 AM

Sorry but this is clearly a case of the OP needing to learn the game. Don't expect to be very good until you've played this game a lot. Tier V is clubbing territory for anyone who has had any kind of "competitive" bent with regards to this game. I remember when the tiers came out a while back and I made an alt just to see what it was like down there. My 2 ERPPC Adder was dropping 1k dmg matches like they were going out of style. It's fairly easy to stomp in that tier if you play well.

So, if you are going to be angry at someone, be angry at yourself for not living up to your inflated expectations. My real advice, though, is to relax and cut yourself some slack while you learn this game. Jumping into any game and expecting to be a top level player from the beginning is pretty silly. The learning process takes a long time in this game. You just need patience. Many of us have taken years of playing this game to get to the level we are (whether that's something laudable or not, I leave up to you to decide).

If you want some specific work on particular chassis, types of encounters, etc., you can always drop by the Comstar TS and we'll be happy to drop with you, either in normal games or private lobbies. There are still enough of us that play on a daily basis to get a group going.

TS: na.mech-connect.net

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Posted 25 December 2016 - 01:31 PM

If I was forced to only play solo queue I'd probably have stopped playing this game a while ago. Everybody lone wolf's themselves into an early death.

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Posted 25 December 2016 - 01:33 PM

View PostBrandonKF, on 25 December 2016 - 10:11 AM, said:

I am pissed about poor performance. That's it.

My lack of understanding of the game as far as how you operate in the higher tiers is because I've never seen that kind of match.

Doubt I will, anyway.


C'mon now, that's not a winning attitude. Half the battle is in one's head. If you don't think you can get better, you won't get better.

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Thanks for all the tips.

Peace, and Merry Christmas.


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Posted 26 December 2016 - 07:42 PM

View PostBrandonKF, on 22 December 2016 - 02:45 PM, said:

It won't be pretty. I get sick of dealing with this game at tier 5 and having losses.

Get good does not apply. I don't even know what sort of matchmaking this game uses for balance. Sure feels like there isn't when you get started and see zero ECM, AMS, and the other team is laser and LRM spam.

Someone clear that up.

Playing trial mech's, you need to learn to run from cover to cover, run AMS, ecm or find one on your team and get in it's back pocket. Running can be helpful too but try to break left first then right.

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Posted 26 December 2016 - 07:51 PM

View PostBrandonKF, on 25 December 2016 - 10:11 AM, said:

I pulled this out of my *** because I'm pissed. Period. The other part is sitting on the pot.

Been doing all that good stuff of self-assessment, doesn't mean everything will go my way.

As for being stubborn, you're DAMNED right I am. If I wasn't, you think I'd have made it past basic training? Or three f***ing tours?

Nope. I'd have put a bullet in my brain.

And if you don't grasp that, old man, then quite frankly I don't know what the f*** to tell you.

If you've got anything else to talk about, PM me. God bless.


Who you calling old? Come on out for PT and we'll see who can hang and who is all talk.

Being stubborn =/= being resilient btw. People are trying to help you control the parts you CAN control in this game so maybe you'll get to a point where you see better play. But if ya wanna keep spouting off on the forums publicly, like a whiny cuss, no one's gonna consider that the positive form of stubbornness. All I see so far, from such a resilient battle hardened veteran (debatable) is someone whining about parts of the game they steadfastly refuse to learn for some reason. Not admirable....but someone has to carry the ammo I guess.





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