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[Atlai]

Skadi, on 17 August 2012 - 08:52 PM, said:

Who could hate that?? besides that one guy in the movie.

[thearticulategrunt]

Gotta relate a story from Friday. Had surgery to rebuild my knee Tuesday (dang damaged actuators) so Friday when we needed a couple things from the store I sat in the car and watched a movie with my 5yr old while my wife went inside. About 5 minutes after she leaves the family of the car parked in from of us comes back. Mom, dad and son. Son is in his mid twenties, trying to grow a goatee, has the "I still live in the basement and have yet to try college or life" look and...is wearing a pony shirt. A big bright pink pony on his chest pony shirt. Thinking it had to be the meds I stared for a moment in disbelief and then looked back at dad because he looked like a solid, upstanding gentlemen and I must have missed something. He had seen me looking and was looking at me but now had the most tired look I think I've seen in years on his face and looking at me just threw his hands up alongside his head like "what can you do?" before turning and tell a now confussed young...man... to get in the car. Sometimes you just have to feel sorry for the families.

Sorry if it rambled a bit and if my spelling sucks, I'm still on the good meds for another few days.

[Aresye]

thearticulategrunt, on 19 August 2012 - 06:18 AM, said:

Gotta relate a story from Friday. Had surgery to rebuild my knee Tuesday (dang damaged actuators) so Friday when we needed a couple things from the store I sat in the car and watched a movie with my 5yr old while my wife went inside. About 5 minutes after she leaves the family of the car parked in from of us comes back. Mom, dad and son. Son is in his mid twenties, trying to grow a goatee, has the "I still live in the basement and have yet to try college or life" look and...is wearing a pony shirt. A big bright pink pony on his chest pony shirt. Thinking it had to be the meds I stared for a moment in disbelief and then looked back at dad because he looked like a solid, upstanding gentlemen and I must have missed something. He had seen me looking and was looking at me but now had the most tired look I think I've seen in years on his face and looking at me just threw his hands up alongside his head like "what can you do?" before turning and tell a now confussed young...man... to get in the car. Sometimes you just have to feel sorry for the families.

Sorry if it rambled a bit and if my spelling sucks, I'm still on the good meds for another few days.

So...to be clear, you know everything about this family's son in his mid-twenties without actually interacting with him?

Can I use your reply for the definition of prejudice?

If that was me with my parents, we would probably look very similar to you as this family.

Except instead of living in the basement I was on home on military leave.
I was growing out my facial hair because it's the only time in military life I can do that.
The somber expressions was because I had to go back to duty soon (last few days of leave = depressing time for all).

This is the exact kind of prejudice and judgement that sickens me. You don't know this family. You don't know this young man. You view this family, and especially this young man, in a negative light, because of what he was wearing and a comment from the father that was extremely vague.

[Maire Devylin]

Mage man202, on 24 July 2012 - 09:08 PM, said:

that pic. all of the other made me laugh. this one just makes me go, WAT.
i've seen weird stuff but this one takes the cake.

I know, right. I mean, how the hell is that pony holding a knife and the intestine without an opposable thumb? Just crazy...stupid pony.

ponys suck

Edited by Maire Devylin, 20 August 2012 - 04:27 AM.

[Zakatak]

Why won't PGI let me use this as my sig?

[Wydell]

Zakatak, on 21 August 2012 - 06:35 PM, said:

Why won't PGI let me use this as my sig?

Because the image is too large of a file.

[Malacay]

Nothing more to say about this pony thing....

[JadeBeast]

No idea what the ponies are, but if they are pretty and pink I feel that my first post on this forum should be against them.

[thearticulategrunt]

Aresye, on 19 August 2012 - 07:41 AM, said:

So...to be clear, you know everything about this family's son in his mid-twenties without actually interacting with him?

Can I use your reply for the definition of prejudice?

If that was me with my parents, we would probably look very similar to you as this family.

Except instead of living in the basement I was on home on military leave.
I was growing out my facial hair because it's the only time in military life I can do that.
The somber expressions was because I had to go back to duty soon (last few days of leave = depressing time for all).

This is the exact kind of prejudice and judgement that sickens me. You don't know this family. You don't know this young man. You view this family, and especially this young man, in a negative light, because of what he was wearing and a comment from the father that was extremely vague.

Well to reply to your reply:
1. No, I don't know everything about the young man and family without interacting with them. I can merely try to paint a picture of what I observed and experienced through the use of commonly understandable stereo typical descriptions.

2. Never did I say they wore "somber expressions" until describing that the dad had seen me looking at his son, so your logic of the family looking somber if it was yours because you would be returning to service soon does not apply.

3. I did not view nor paint the family in a negative light, in fact I stated that I looked back at the father because he appeared to be a "solid, upstanding gentleman".

4. As for the young man's appearance I would hope you would not let yourself go that far even when on leave especially since the growing of facial hair, even on leave, has been expressly banned since the Oct. 2010 uniform and conduct rewrite.

5. As for using my reply as the definition of prejudice, go ahead as long as you don't mind me using yours as a definition of double standards and closed minded, knee jerk bias. Rather than presenting your points in an articulate fashion and debating alternate perceptions and interpretations to what I saw you went and got offensive. You put words in my mouth fitting your own hated and inflexibility towards anyone not conforming to your mentality. Yes i judged the young man by what he wore and how he carried himself, but then again if you saw a guy on the street with a "kill all ****" T-shirt on and carrying a baseball bat you would not assume he was going to batting practice to look for a boy friend. It was an interesting situation I wished to share in which I had nothing to judge it by except the young man's attire, how he carried himself, and the change in mood to one of embarrassment and defeat by the father when he noticed someone had taken notice of how his son did indeed carry himself. By your response though you showed your intollerance and double standards not only in your aggressive and belittling response but in pointing out by your own admittance of how you conduct yourself off duty that you do not care about rules and opinions unless they are yours, agree with yours or fit your vision of how and what things should be.

All that aside, good luck back on duty, if you are deploying or returning to deployment stay safe and keep your head down.

[Aresye]

thearticulategrunt, on 25 August 2012 - 08:17 AM, said:

By your response though you showed your intollerance and double standards not only in your aggressive and belittling response but in pointing out by your own admittance of how you conduct yourself off duty that you do not care about rules and opinions unless they are yours, agree with yours or fit your vision of how and what things should be.

Yup, and I will continue getting 4.0 evals and advance faster than my coworkers.

[thearticulategrunt]

Aresye, on 25 August 2012 - 09:06 AM, said:

Yup, and I will continue getting 4.0 evals and advance faster than my coworkers.

Good for you. 4.0 evals though? Air Force?

[Aresye]

Navy

[Sesambrot]

You know, to me...
...this:

thearticulategrunt, on 25 August 2012 - 08:17 AM, said:

1. No, I don't know everything about the young man and family without interacting with them. I can merely try to paint a picture of what I observed and experienced through the use of commonly understandable stereo typical descriptions.

is the problem with your post.

By using stereotypical descriptions you did in fact paint a certain picture of that young man and his family of which you have no idea whether it's true or not. Associating those stereotypes with them only based on their appearance is in fact prejudiced. You could have easily described the situation without using those stereotypes...

[Wydell]

Aresye, on 25 August 2012 - 09:06 AM, said:

Yup, and I will continue getting 4.0 evals and advance faster than my coworkers.

You mean you don't get firewall fives?

Jesus, I stopped giving a **** about EPRs and still got 4s. ****, I didn't even give them any bullets, and my supervisor hated me.

I actually feel bad now.


As far as the facial hair thing, seriously? When I was on leave, you think I shaved or even cut my hair? **** no, who the heck was going to say anything? You think most people would actually follow that anyway? Have you even read the UCMJ? You know the kind of stuff they could pin you for in there.

[Aresye]

Nah, not the 4s on the character traits. 4.0 as in Early Promote.

It doesn't really matter whether people follow the rules about shaving while on leave, but technically ArticulateGrunt is right. Now do the armed forces actually care about it? Not really, as long as a member isn't chilling on base or at their command with facial growth.

Regarding my original statement, Sesambrot pretty much hit it on the head. You can't judge somebody based on their appearance and stereotypes.

One of my former chiefs at my command always dressed up in low hanging pants, bling, and a big gangsta hat. At first glance you'd think he's some ghetto and waaayyyy too white dude. When it came to his character though, he was spot on. Squared away sailor, took care of his shipmates out in town, and always knew when it was time to quit drinking.

Now, does it help a person to not care about their appearance or allow themselves to be stereotyped? No, it doesn't. However you can't claim to "know them," until you actually get to know them.

[zudukai]

Aresye, on 25 August 2012 - 09:09 PM, said:

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derailed thread not funny

[dervishx5]

I just... I don't get the pony thing, and I've even forced myself to watch it to try and understand it.

My guess is it's some new form of furry, or an outlet for closeted furries for somewhat mainstream culture.

Is there some drug one has to take before watching? I'm sure certain substances would help, but that seems to be a universal thing when you use those.

So... I guess I'll just file this one under the "I don't get their enthusiasm" crowd, like Libertarians or wrestling fans.

[Aresye]

Just because something is popular doesn't mean everybody will like it.

I don't like cat memes. I think cats are stupid (and evil) creatures. Yet the entire internet seems to love them for being cute and fluffy.

I don't understand the hype behind them, but you can equate it to basically falling under the same category. Some people find the show cute and entertaining. Others don't.

Not going to knock anybody for not liking the show, but just because some people like something that you don't doesn't mean there's something automatically wrong with them.

[Mordino]

Don`t like ponies. I`m an evil person. And I sincerely believe, what every man has to be evil despot. :]

[thearticulategrunt]

zudukai, on 26 August 2012 - 01:21 AM, said:

derailed thread not funny

Sorry zudukai, you are absolutely right.