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[LowSubmarino]

Mwo is mostly about waiting.

Waiting for game

Waiting for vote

Wiating in Lobby

Ive mentioned it before it takes 10 eternities to play and then ironically its called quickplay which is quite pathetic considering you litereally wait severaly years to then finally be able to pilot ur friggin mech.

So i dont really care that youd have to wait maybe even 3 to 5 times (or even longer) to find players when theres more tiers.

Let it take forever cause how could waiting forever be worse than waiting forever?

Tier 1 sucks way too hard.

And no, I dont wanne go to group cue.

With good players you dont need no friggin ts all the time or the big plan and strategy.

I was in a game with that Colonel guy (forgot his name) the other game.

We were in a light/medium lance and there was no talking necessary. Our lance (or 3 out of 4 mechs) stayed in formation and killed mechs and we just played like ppl with a brain.

The average Tier 1 player is abysmal.

Just came out of a complete stomp cause the so called Tier 1 and 2 players decided its a good idea to completly split while the other team deathballed us.

60 % of the team stayed up top and ther rest went down to a complete deathball that was already almost completly assembled below the team. They were not emerging from tunnel or appraoching that position.

They were already there.

How infinitely stupid can anybody be to then split and send 4, 5 mechs down there and get instakilled.

Tier 1 is basically the woodsleague in starcraft 2.

Its so bad that you could actually just completly ignore tiers and just randomly mix players together.

I want more Tiers. Like a lot more and then some super top tiers were actually the best mwo players compete.

I dont know if id be placed in those leagues but at least id have an incentive to get there.

As it is now players in Tier 1 are way, way, and waaaaaaaaaaay over the top bad on a level that is just beyond the human brains capacity to understand.

They do the dumbest things.

If youd put young and recently born monkeys into a cockpit theyd annihilate tier one players by just randomly smashing the controls.

Thats how bad the so called Tier 1 players are.

Splitting into a deathball is fine and all. I wouldnt even say anything if its new or Tier 5 players ore what have you. Id not rage at all and even just calmly say 'dont split or run into an assembled team single file'.

Theyd just be new or inexperienced players. Its normal.

But how can tier 1 players be so over the top stupid.

So yeah....i want at the very least 5 or 7 higher tiers.

We need like a loooooooooooot mroe higher tiers.

tier 1 sucks hard. Its filled with complete newbies. By now I think most Tier one players are brand new players.

More Tiers pls.

A lot more tiers

[NRP]

You sound angry. Might want to take a break.

[RustyBolts]

I am not impressed with Tier 1 players. To include myself.

[Spheroid]

As a document this rant is terrible. It fails on focus, formatting and clarity.

[Larsh]

[Prokust]

Cool story bro, next please!

[Nik Reaper]

Well, yeah, it is said with reason that the current tier system is more of a "all you people here should at this point have the opportunity to have all the gear you need to be on a level playing field and have played long enough to know something" but that is it, the system is not a zero sum system where for someone to advance up someone needs to go lower so it turned in to a grindfest where anyone who really tries to get better will end up in tier 1.

And as you know it's really not a good idea. Proton is in tier 1 and I am at tier 1 so I'm good as Proton? x)...

The many many more tiers seems like a good idea presented to PGI a long time ago but they said to have some number crunching reason why it was not worth there time... so yeah, have fun carrying and always being counted on to carry .

[Bombast]

Larsh, on 06 January 2017 - 09:38 AM, said:

[Salt Image]

Ok, that'll do. Thanks.

[Aiden Skye]

[C E Dwyer]

That Colonel guy

Sanders ?

That extra waiting was caused by the community that demanded variety be taken out of the game, in favour of Map and mode voting.

So you complaining to the people that caused some of your pain

Edited by Cathy, 06 January 2017 - 09:58 AM.

[Champion of Khorne Lord of Blood]

OP, what even is that formatting, I'd maybe read it if you made some paragraphs. Instead I skimmed it, my experience has pretty low T1 wait times to go with the low quality matches filled with potatoes that make me wish PGI would stop listening to the people who say that scouting and stuff should get you to move up in tier because that also lets those terribad locust pilots who do 11 damage to move up because they crested the hill top, stared at the enemy team, watched them move into weapon range, continued to stand still, then got killed by that madman with the 12 ERLL Dire Wolf.

Just base matchmaker purely off damage scores in a match regardless of win and you get the guys who focus on damage in one tier then you get scouts in another and you get mediocre builds in another. Split tiers by playstyle, not by general skill and you get people who focus on the same thing in each tier.

[Roughneck45]

Because everyone in your game isn't tier one. Do you know how MM works?

[Davegt27]

someone said they are not sticking to the tier rules they told us when they tier system started

do you guys think this is true?

it was said they are mixing tiers because the numbers are so low
I don't know if this is true or not

I don't seem to have a problem with other players performance just my own

I try to help people with general statements like "this way big guy" or "stay off the tops"

[Phra]

You are obviously a new age T1 player, or you'd know the wait time is nothing compared to what it used to be.

Davegt27, on 06 January 2017 - 10:34 AM, said:

someone said they are not sticking to the tier rules they told us when they tier system started

Tier system puts you in game with players at most 2 tiers away from yours, with the matchmaker opening up every minute. So if you are a T1 player, the MM will look for T1 players for a minute, than T1-2 for another, and finally T1-3. It also means if you are a T3 player, you can get T1-5 after 2 minutes. Exceptions are challenges, during which the MM constraints are lifted and mayhem begins.

Edited by Phra, 06 January 2017 - 10:41 AM.

[C E Dwyer]

Davegt27, on 06 January 2017 - 10:34 AM, said:

someone said they are not sticking to the tier rules they told us when they tier system started

do you guys think this is true?

it was said they are mixing tiers because the numbers are so low
I don't know if this is true or not

I don't seem to have a problem with other players performance just my own

I try to help people with general statements like "this way big guy" or "stay off the tops"

It's true, but the way P.G.I opperate it, makes people believe there isn't, and frankly there might as well not be one outside prime time for each server.

Each tier is one of Russ's infamous buckets, each bucket like a dam has a gate, only in this case the gate gets opened when there isn't enough people playing at T1, it opens up selection to T2 and then T3.

Now we were told that T3 was the lowest bucket that would be facing a T1 player, but the MM is opening the buckets up way to quickly and right down into T5.

It's been proven with evidence that this is happening, and it's spoiling a lot of peoples enjoyment with the miss matching.

[Antares102]

Phra, on 06 January 2017 - 10:34 AM, said:

Tier system puts you in game with players at most 2 tiers away from yours, with the matchmaker opening up every minute. So if you are a T1 player, the MM will look for T1 players for a minute, than T1-2 for another, and finally T1-3. It also means if you are a T3 player, you can get T1-5 after 2 minutes. Exceptions are challenges, during which the MM constraints are lifted and mayhem begins.

Constantly repeating a lie doesnt make it true.

The MM probably TRIES to do the two tiers away thing but most of the time you will end up with Tier 4/5 in a Tier 1 match.
For some really bad players i my games I looked them up on the forum and those who had their Tier public where Tier 4/5.
Furthermore it has been confirmed many times by other Tier 1 players that their games are littered with Tier 4/5.

The reason why this happens is simple: low population.
In order to reduce the wait time the MM probably tries to setup a "proper" game for the first 30 sec
and then reverts to including all tiers.

The MM does NOT 100% make sure that in a Tier 1 match only Tier 1-3 are included.
If it was doing so this would dramatically increase search time (which some would prefer).

Finally everybody can reach Tier 1 even (or especially) LRM boats which slowly converts MWO into
Potatoe Warrior Online

Edited by Antares102, 06 January 2017 - 12:04 PM.

[XxXAbsolutZeroXxX]

oneda, on 06 January 2017 - 09:31 AM, said:

Mwo is mostly about waiting.

Waiting for game

I was in a game with that Colonel guy (forgot his name) the other game.

You get faster games by selecting all 3 servers: north america, europe and oceanic.

I've had Colonel O'Neal on my team before. Winning is a lot easier having good teammates like him.

[El Bandito]

NRP, on 06 January 2017 - 09:34 AM, said:

You sound angry. Might want to take a break.

TBF, his rant filled egotistic threads did not appear in last couple of months, which is a record of its own. He might have taken a break then. How the hell do people like him have that much salt in the first place?

Edited by El Bandito, 06 January 2017 - 12:19 PM.

[The Unstoppable Puggernaut]

My take on it...

1. It's a mix of players, sometimes the mix is really varied.
2. There are actually T1 players playing fun builds or trying to level mechs (or just havinga bad day)
3. By chance, people still make mistakes.

But yes, I don't like being in T1 either. Try FW, to me it seems pretty cool win or lose. The low wait times are worth it.

I should definitely be in T2 not T1 but I can see why I was put into it.

[knight-of-ni]

The argument stated here assumes that all the players in the match are from a similar tier.
This is false, because "release valves". That is the phrase used by PGI when they first introduced the Tier system. It means that, if the matchmaker can't find players of a similar tier, it will pick any players it can find if enough time has elapsed.
So no, just because you've reached tier 1, does not in any way mean that all the players in the match are tier 1-2.

My qualitative observation is that, if say the opposing team is mostly made up of middle tier players, then it will tend to match you up with lower tier players to "balance" things. So you start the match and watch your teammates Larry, Moe, and Curly run off and get blasted in the first 30 seconds.

Edited by knnniggett, 06 January 2017 - 12:27 PM.