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[stealthraccoon]

I expect a Wasp. Most appropriate and easiest to implement - many time appropriate variations.

I would be surprised/happy at the Hornet, but I don't know that others have my sentimental attachment.

Javelin would be a lot of happy. We have a laser 30 ton, a ballistic 30 ton and need a missile 30 ton. I imagine a dwarf dressed as a WW1 doughboy.

Edit: if we do get a Javelin, please limit it to the 10 series, the only 11 series that would be worth it would be the 11B with ecm which would be lots of sneaky fun. We have enough laser vomit, keep the focus on missile tubes.

Edited by stealthraccoon, 14 January 2017 - 09:26 AM.

[King Kahuna]

Expect Wasp. Dreaming on a Spector.

[Bishop Steiner]

RestosIII, on 13 January 2017 - 06:25 PM, said:

I just need to get this off my chest. So congratulations to Inner Sphere pilots. Us Clanners will have to wait for a 20 tonner position to be filled at a later date. Just gonna vent now for the rest of the thread.

Spoiler

WHY PGI, WHY!?!?!?!?!!?



I JUST WANTED A PIRANHA, FIREMOTH, OR EVEN A LOCUST IIC!

Well.... I have never heard of PGI fixing their speed limitation issues with the Engine (improved it a year or so ago, but not to Firemoth speeds), the Piranha is actually laughably bad...because it can't carry enough ammo to be remotely viable with those MGs. And Locust IIC is...25 tons.

Would you like a Baboon?Howler?
http://www.sarna.net.../Howler_(Baboon)

(Sorry, not PGIs fault that Clan 20 ton options...really suck. IT is possibly PGIs fault they can't make the Firemoth work though, *shrugs*)

[stealthraccoon]

Bishop Steiner, on 14 January 2017 - 09:31 AM, said:

Would you like a Baboon?Howler?
http://www.sarna.net.../Howler_(Baboon)

(Sorry, not PGIs fault that Clan 20 ton options...really suck. IT is possibly PGIs fault they can't make the Firemoth work though, *shrugs*)

Howler would make me plan Clans - they could use the Prime with a STD engine and other variants with cXL's for different builds... now I'm not sure about hard points other than that RT. It's basically a baby HBK-4J. There is even MASC available - and it doesn't break the internets!

Edited by stealthraccoon, 14 January 2017 - 09:50 AM.

[Valdarion Silarius]

Bishop Steiner, on 14 January 2017 - 09:31 AM, said:

Would you like a Baboon?Howler?
http://www.sarna.net.../Howler_(Baboon)

There is no amount of redesigned artwork that can save the atrocious geometry on that thing.

Edited by Arnold The Governator, 14 January 2017 - 10:25 AM.

[Bishop Steiner]

Arnold The Governator, on 14 January 2017 - 10:24 AM, said:

There is no amount of redesigned artwork that can save the atrocious geometry on that thing.

that was also said of the Kintaro, amongst other amazing reclamation done by Alex. (Viper anybody? Huntsman?)

[Mark Nicholson]

Bishop Steiner, on 14 January 2017 - 09:31 AM, said:

Would you like a Baboon?Howler?
http://www.sarna.net.../Howler_(Baboon)

wow....I've hated that thing for over 20 years now.

Tordin, on 14 January 2017 - 07:40 AM, said:

We need the Flea! I might want to roleplay as a Wolf Dragoons pilot on my alt account or something. Please PGI. If you fix the speed limit issue with the game engine theres NO excuse not to include it, same for the Fire Moth, let that mech come along too.
Also the PGI fella (Michael??) that modeled the Flea saying its to similar to the Locust. I wholeheartedly disagree. Rescale included the Flea could be a tiny bit overall smaller than the Locust.

For clarity:
There is no 3D model of the Flea at PGI sitting ready to be released.
There is a fan model, made by me, from before I started at PGI.
I've been rather vocal in that my reason for making that fan model was because I was AGAINST it's inclusion in the game, so please don't think I'm going to champion the cause.
However, I do recognize that some people want it, as do others at PGI.

[Bombast]

Mark Nicholson, on 14 January 2017 - 10:48 AM, said:

wow....I've hated that thing for over 20 years now.

Well, maybe now is your chance to fix it.

I mean, I wouldn't. It would be easier to make Steve Buscemi look as beautiful on the outside as he is on the inside. But I dunno, it might be worth the effort to fix it. Professional pride, or something?

[Juodas Varnas]

Bombast, on 14 January 2017 - 10:51 AM, said:

Well, maybe now is your chance to fix it.

I mean, I wouldn't. It would be easier to make Steve Buscemi look as beautiful on the outside as he is on the inside. But I dunno, it might be worth the effort to fix it. Professional pride, or something?

Eh...
Trying to "fix" that mech design is career suicide.

Best to push it back somewhere deep in your brain and forget it.

Edited by Juodas Varnas, 14 January 2017 - 10:53 AM.

[Y E O N N E]

Mark Nicholson, on 14 January 2017 - 10:48 AM, said:

wow....I've hated that thing for over 20 years now.



For clarity:
There is no 3D model of the Flea anywhere at PGI.
There is a fan model, made by me, from before I started at PGI.
I've been rather vocal in that my reason for making that fan model was because I was AGAINST it's inclusion in the game, so please don't think I'm going to champion the cause.
However, I do recognize that some people want it, as do others at PGI.

Is there any interest in the Raptor at PGI?

[Bishop Steiner]

Mark Nicholson, on 14 January 2017 - 10:48 AM, said:

wow....I've hated that thing for over 20 years now.

I've hated it for 24 years to be precise...... from whenever the TRO 3055 first landed on the shelf of my local comics chop....
(and my first reaction to the art in general..... is FASA in such bad financial shape that they are ganking the local Kindergarten Classes for Mech Art?)

That said...unless ya'll have fixed the Speed Barrier Issue for the Firemoth..... what actual viable Clan 20 tons options ar there?

All the Piranha Fanbois seem to overlook that even stripping ALL the lasers, you will run out of MG ammo before you kill anything

Snow Fox is killed by no Quads.

Stinger IIC doesn't exist until 3085 (and we don't even have IS Stingers yet)

Leaving the Howler as the only remaining Clan 20 ton option, as literally ALL the rest are Inner Sphere Mechs. It's almost as if Engineers from a Highly Technologically Advanced Culture realized the dead end and limited returns that 20 tonners provided...and didn't waste time or resources pursuing them. Imagine that.

[Juodas Varnas]

Bishop Steiner, on 14 January 2017 - 11:02 AM, said:

Snow Fox is killed by no Quads.

Never give up hope!
Who knows, maybe the first Clan 20 tonner will also be the first Clan Quadruped! (Hopefully, not the first Quadruped overall, but i'll take what i can get, even if it is a filthy Clan mech).

[Bishop Steiner]

Tordin, on 14 January 2017 - 07:40 AM, said:

We need the Flea! I might want to roleplay as a Wolf Dragoons pilot on my alt account or something. Please PGI. If you fix the speed limit issue with the game engine theres NO excuse not to include it, same for the Fire Moth, let that mech come along too.
Also the PGI fella (Michael??) that modeled the Flea saying its to similar to the Locust. I wholeheartedly disagree. Rescale included the Flea could be a tiny bit overall smaller than the Locust.

The differences are roughly.

Flea came into existence because of Locust Unseen Issues. It IS a poor man's Locust that brings NOTHING to the table (the 15 ton Trooper it is descended from would at least bring a new tonnage bracket), and both being 20 tons...using volumetric scaling...why, exactly would the Flea be smaller than the Locust?

As for the "Speed" issue?
-FLE-15: 96 kph
-FLE-17: 96 kph (120ish with MASC...same as the Locust)
-FLE-4: 96 kph
-FLE-FA: 96 kph (120ish with MASC...same as the Locust)
-FLE-19: 96 kph
-FLE-20 96 kph (120ish with MASC...same as the Locust)

the issue with speed on the FLEA? Is that there never WAS an issue with speed. The Issue was that at the time, they did not have MASC designed and figured out yet.

Mind you, I'm all for people campaigning for mechs they like"because". I've done so myself. But let's focus on actual factual information, instead of basing are arguments of of fallacious reasoning. People claiming the Black Lanner has 360 rotation, the Flea was out because of speed, etc.... just all..FALSE. Too damn much Mektek, MechAssault, MechCommander and MWLL filling people's minds with nonsense.

Also, even with the Firemoth... "just fix the speed issue"? What do you think they've been trying to do for 4 years? But now, I suppose they just need to snap their fingers? Really?

[Mole]

Well, at least Mark let me know what 'mech it's not- the Flea.

[Mark Nicholson]

Mole, on 14 January 2017 - 11:15 AM, said:

Well, at least Mark let me know what 'mech it's not- the Flea.

The comment was referring to a pre-existing flea model sitting around 'on a shelf' as it were, ready, and just waiting for a time to be released.
I'll go fix it to reflect that.

[Bishop Steiner]

Mole, on 14 January 2017 - 11:15 AM, said:

Well, at least Mark let me know what 'mech it's not- the Flea.

I would put money on Javelin, or maybe Valkyrie... with increasingly outside chances for Osiris (I'd take it!), Jackal (OK..that too) or Firefly.... but I think almost any other option past that is slim to none.

Just my gut, though, no hard facts.

Mark Nicholson, on 14 January 2017 - 11:23 AM, said:

The comment was referring to a pre-existing flea model sitting around 'on a shelf' as it were, ready, and just waiting for a time to be released.
I'll go fix it to reflect that.

What.... your model isn't ready to just import and go?!?!?!?!?!?

(I kid, I kid... it was a really awesome modelling job though)

Edited by Bishop Steiner, 14 January 2017 - 11:25 AM.

[Bombast]

Mark Nicholson, on 14 January 2017 - 11:23 AM, said:

The comment was referring to a pre-existing flea model sitting around 'on a shelf' as it were, ready, and just waiting for a time to be released.

Well, now I'm even more sure then ever it's the Flea, which is at this moment being modeled for realsies.

[Jay Leon Hart]

#HollanderOrIRiot

(Did I do it right?)

[Mole]

Mark Nicholson, on 14 January 2017 - 11:23 AM, said:

The comment was referring to a pre-existing flea model sitting around 'on a shelf' as it were, ready, and just waiting for a time to be released.
I'll go fix it to reflect that.

Yes, but see, you said earlier that the light 'mech you are drawing was your top recommendation to other PGI staff. Then in a later post you told us how you did not like the Flea and would not champion its cause. Thus, you are not drawing the Flea because you would not have recommended it.

Edited by Mole, 14 January 2017 - 11:33 AM.

[Dee Eight]

My bet is on...since Mark modeled the Assassin, that it'll be the Hitman, a 30 ton light from the 3055 TRO.