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[Gas Guzzler]

Metus regem, on 18 January 2017 - 01:56 PM, said:

'cept they would get an engine cap of 170 for the Stingers/Wasp...

2*6 = base 120 engine

120*1.4 (the number used for lights) gives 168 or 170 with rounding.

STG-3G

Gauss ammo for JJ's

STG-3R

Guass ammo for JJ's


Just two Stinger examples that would work in MWO...

The WSP-1W is the only one of the Wasp/Stinger combo that I would care about.

[Metus regem]

Gas Guzzler, on 18 January 2017 - 02:57 PM, said:

The WSP-1W is the only one of the Wasp/Stinger combo that I would care about.

WSP-1W

148 km/h top speed, 6 JJ's (Gauss ammo 1/2t X 6) and 6 small lasers.

[1453 R]

jss78, on 18 January 2017 - 02:36 PM, said:

The weirdest butthurt tone in this thread.

I do prefer the 3025, yeah I'm happy, yeah I'll have some lingering dissatisfaction until lots more get released.

Anyone with any history with MW/BT will have their pet 'mechs, you got yours, I got mine. Live and let live.

I'll be happy for you when you get your Mk. 2.

The main issue is the sharp pushback from 3025 folks against any releases from any later era. A lot of the hardliners there get upset whenever any 'Mech that isn't thirty years old gets pushed out, for any reason. Most FutureTech folks are quite content to split the releases up between FutureMechs and additional Senior Citizen designs, but a lot of folks are also somewhat against completely redundant useless things like the Whitworth being given the nod over much more viable/interesting FutureTech 'Mechs for the sole purpose of "we want it in HBS' game for verisimilitude!" or "the MWO universe just isn't complete without EVERY piece of GarboTech the DM used to roll up as OpFor for us back in the living room!" or whatever else.

Folks would like for new 'Mechs released to have a useful niche or function, or at least be cool. Forcing through 'Mechs based on absolutely nothing but nostalgia hurts Piranha (these 'Mechs will sell very poorly if they can't perform), hurts us (a release slot taken up by what amounts to window dressing that might've been taken up instead by something that contributes to the game), and hurts the IP (anything that damages any of the recent game resurgence is a knock against the IP, including highly crappy sales and net-loss issues with developing window-dressing GarboMechs for HBS).

If a 'Mech can justify its existence in MWO, most of us are glad to see it. Whatever era it's from. We'd just like to take our turn as well sometime, as opposed to a neverending parade of "3025ers' Turn!" until 2043.

[VaudeVillain]

I'm still waiting on Large Laser and PPC ranges to get boosted the same percentage as IS ERLL and ERPPC got boosted. I would also like to see each IS 'Mech have 3 x pre 3050 variants because using GXP to level 3050 'Mechs is rough, just so I can skill beyond the first level on my one or 2 Level 1 tech 'Mechs.
More SHS friendly lighter 'Mechs would be good too and we need the heat on AC/5s cut back.

I've never played Battletech beyond the 3050 era, so it will be interesting to see the new weapons. I will still be fighting with my Level 1 tech, of course. I have other accounts for 3050+ IS and Clan, but this one is by far the most fun to play. And I don't do stock 'Mechs!

Edited by VaudeVillain, 18 January 2017 - 04:37 PM.

[Lyoto Machida]

No...where's the Crusader?

[Bishop Steiner]

CK16, on 18 January 2017 - 12:32 PM, said:

So with the last mech released today (Javein) does this round out a good margin of 3025ish mechs for you guys? Obviously there are still 100+ mechs left, and I am sure each of you could make a long list of those you desire to have. But the question remains of all these mechs in MWO that fit the era...

Are you content for now, as we jump into some 3060ish mechs in March?
Is the roster of these mechs set to make HBS Battletech feel flushed out?




If not content what 3 realistic mechs would you say make you feel better if they came in this year or early next?

Do ya see a Vulcan, Stinger or Crusader around these parts, yet?

Then the answer is a resounding Nope, NOPE, NOPE!
And there you have it...the three last gasps I hope to see before we irrevocably hit the gas. Dervish and Charger would still be nice, also, but those 3 are higher priority for me.

So if we still end up with 6/6 IS and Clans, I hope that 3 of the IS are still old school... but I have a feeling we have seen the last of the 3025 mechs. Only way I see that changing is the introduction of Melee... then they might feel compelled to add the Hatchetman...but since that is as likely as Quads......

Edited by Bishop Steiner, 18 January 2017 - 04:57 PM.

[TheArisen]

Metus regem, on 18 January 2017 - 12:46 PM, said:

It was more rhetorical, I see PGI using it as a test case, poor sales they will just say no-one wants to buy lights and not build them, good sales PGI laughs all the way to the bank as we buy more sh*t mechs...

You asked for the Stinger, Wasp and Valkyrie.... all of which would be completely inferior to the Javelin in MWO.

[Scout Derek]

Bishop Steiner, on 18 January 2017 - 04:54 PM, said:

Do ya see a Vulcan, Stinger or Crusader around these parts, yet?

Then the answer is a resounding Nope, NOPE, NOPE!

[Bishop Steiner]

Metus regem, on 18 January 2017 - 12:41 PM, said:

No, by Kerensky's hairy backside no!

The Javelin.. why did it have to be the Javelin....

I would've killed for the Stinger, Wasp or Valkyrie!

you and your Robotech Gundams.... SMH... lol

Quicksilver Kalasa, on 18 January 2017 - 12:43 PM, said:

Do you really want the answer to that?



That said the answer to this by any 3025 purist will be no since there are plenty missing still, basically so long as mechs from the 3025 era are missing, they aren't content.

not 100% true. We ain't all Cathy or St Jobe. I can live without Ostbots, the Wasp, really don't give a flip about the Valkyrie, Clint, Whitworth...or any of the 2750 bots they shoe horned into 3025 to compensate for lost Unseen... aside from my Thug.... which is going to get lost in the Charger/Hatamoto/Thug scrum anyhow.

Kanil, on 18 January 2017 - 12:47 PM, said:

I'm a 3025 snob, so I'll never be truly content... but the Javelin is the last of the 'mechs I really adore from TT that isn't in here already, so I'm pretty pleased at the moment.

Most of the remaining 'mechs I'd like to see tend to be horribly redundant (Guillotine, Flashman) or otherwise not really appropriate (Shogun, Clint). Crusader probably falls in the former category, but at least has the iconic unseenness going for it.

As for HBS, can't they model their own damn 'mechs? I mean, I know they want the art styles to be similar, but does that mean PGI really has to create crappy 'mechs, irrelevant, DOA 'mechs like the Stinger and Wasp just so HBS can have them in their game? (They really should have them in their game, by the way, but we don't exactly need them in this one...)

modelers aren't exactly a dime a dozen....without at least the initial PGI model, there would literally be no Battletech 2017. From the mouth of their lead Dev.

CapperDeluxe, on 18 January 2017 - 01:30 PM, said:

Because 20 tonners that can't even move as fast as a Locust would be 100% DOA.

And some of us realize that, don't care, and want them in the game, anyhow.

[Bishop Steiner]

King Kahuna, on 18 January 2017 - 02:17 PM, said:

Really I think it is time to move on. I don't see why they cant do more 3060 units and maybe pop back for the occasional 3025 unit though.

I personally want a Wasp.

3050- Piranha and Incubus needed.

The other unit high on my list is the Spector and it fits in with the 3060 units anyway.

With no Chameleon Light Polarization Shield or Nullsig, what in Kerensky's third nipple does the Spector Provide that isn't already in game? Oh look...another PewPew Light!

Gas Guzzler, on 18 January 2017 - 02:57 PM, said:

The WSP-1W is the only one of the Wasp/Stinger combo that I would care about.

K. Good thing there are a few more people than you playing, eh?

1453 R, on 18 January 2017 - 03:06 PM, said:

The main issue is the sharp pushback from 3025 folks against any releases from any later era. A lot of the hardliners there get upset whenever any 'Mech that isn't thirty years old gets pushed out, for any reason. Most FutureTech folks are quite content to split the releases up between FutureMechs and additional Senior Citizen designs, but a lot of folks are also somewhat against completely redundant useless things like the Whitworth being given the nod over much more viable/interesting FutureTech 'Mechs for the sole purpose of "we want it in HBS' game for verisimilitude!" or "the MWO universe just isn't complete without EVERY piece of GarboTech the DM used to roll up as OpFor for us back in the living room!" or whatever else.

Folks would like for new 'Mechs released to have a useful niche or function, or at least be cool. Forcing through 'Mechs based on absolutely nothing but nostalgia hurts Piranha (these 'Mechs will sell very poorly if they can't perform), hurts us (a release slot taken up by what amounts to window dressing that might've been taken up instead by something that contributes to the game), and hurts the IP (anything that damages any of the recent game resurgence is a knock against the IP, including highly crappy sales and net-loss issues with developing window-dressing GarboMechs for HBS).

If a 'Mech can justify its existence in MWO, most of us are glad to see it. Whatever era it's from. We'd just like to take our turn as well sometime, as opposed to a neverending parade of "3025ers' Turn!" until 2043.

Y'all really got stop thinking Cathy speaks for all, or even the majority of 3025 grognards.

As for me, my only concern is that once the page is turned, I just don't see them revisiting those designs again. I could be wrong, but that is very much the read I get from the way the Devs have approached things. That said, I have pretty freely noted I want some 3025 robots and some new tech ones.

Sooo.... yeah, you can stick that stereotype in ya pipe, and spark it up, bruh.

TheArisen, on 18 January 2017 - 04:56 PM, said:

You asked for the Stinger, Wasp and Valkyrie.... all of which would be completely inferior to the Javelin in MWO.

So what? Some of us aren't tied to what Metamechs like.

[Quicksilver Aberration]

Bishop Steiner, on 18 January 2017 - 05:03 PM, said:

not 100% true. We ain't all Cathy or St Jobe. I can live without Ostbots, the Wasp, really don't give a flip about the Valkyrie, Clint, Whitworth...or any of the 2750 bots they shoe horned into 3025 to compensate for lost Unseen... aside from my Thug.... which is going to get lost in the Charger/Hatamoto/Thug scrum anyhow.

Let's be honest though, how many purists all agree on the same ones being included in the game save the Ostbots? I'm sure there are a few crazy Clint or Whitworth fans that would demand it be in or throw tables.

Edited by Quicksilver Kalasa, 18 January 2017 - 05:17 PM.

[GreyNovember]

Bishop Steiner, on 18 January 2017 - 05:11 PM, said:

So what? Some of us aren't tied to what Metamechs like.

I constantly interpret this as:

" I'm really gunning for as terrible as mech as possible, and damn the consequences, kek. I have money and my desires are more important than yours. "
But then that's me taking the "This is my opinion" card really bloody far.

[Bishop Steiner]

Quicksilver Kalasa, on 18 January 2017 - 05:16 PM, said:

Let's be honest though, how many purists all agree on the same ones being included in the game save the Ostbots? I'm sure there are a few crazy Clint or Whitworth fans that would demand it be in or throw tables.

I don't deny we have different preferences.... just said that we don't all want ALL THE GUNDAMS IN BEFORE ANYTHING! Like some many people like to try to say.

GreyNovember, on 18 January 2017 - 05:18 PM, said:

I constantly interpret this as:

" I'm really gunning for as terrible as mech as possible, and damn the consequences, kek. I have money and my desires are more important than yours. "
But then that's me taking the "This is my opinion" card really bloody far.

Cool story.

Guess what? As Power Creeps, and Metas Turn, robots always obsolete, anyhow. So honestly, who GaF if one or two creep in for nostalgia's sake?

Seriously... the whole "only add it if it's competitive" shtick is just ludicrous...since 90% of the robots in game, are NOT competitive.

[Quicksilver Aberration]

Bishop Steiner, on 18 January 2017 - 05:23 PM, said:

I don't deny we have different preferences.... just said that we don't all want ALL THE GUNDAMS IN BEFORE ANYTHING! Like some many people like to try to say.

Maybe not allllll, but a good majority sounds about right.

[Agent 0 Fortune]

Seeing as MWO5 is in production, we need way more 3025 models, starting with: Dervish, Whitworth, and Crusader.

[Bishop Steiner]

Quicksilver Kalasa, on 18 January 2017 - 05:27 PM, said:

Maybe not allllll, but a good majority sounds about right.

I suppose if Cathy is the good majority, perhaps. I guess that means Deathlike or MgGral speak for all compy type players?
(if the one or two loudest mean a majority)

Agent 0 Fortune, on 18 January 2017 - 05:30 PM, said:

Seeing as MWO5 is in production, we need way more 3025 models, starting with: Dervish, Vulcan, and Crusader.

Fixed that for you. But good point, these models don't just feed MWO, or HBS, but will feed a THIRD game, as well.

[Quicksilver Aberration]

Bishop Steiner, on 18 January 2017 - 05:31 PM, said:

I suppose if Cathy is the good majority, perhaps. I guess that means Deathlike or MgGral speak for all compy type players?
(if the one or two loudest mean a majority)

Do 3025 players only want 1% of 3025 mechs in the game before moving on to 3060 mechs?

[Bishop Steiner]

Quicksilver Kalasa, on 18 January 2017 - 05:49 PM, said:

Do 3025 players only want 1% of 3025 mechs in the game before moving on to 3060 mechs?

That would be about what...1/2 of mech? If we're counting remaining ones... like...1 arm....

[GreyNovember]

Bishop Steiner, on 18 January 2017 - 05:23 PM, said:

Guess what? As Power Creeps, and Metas Turn, robots always obsolete, anyhow. So honestly, who GaF if one or two creep in for nostalgia's sake?

Seriously... the whole "only add it if it's competitive" shtick is just ludicrous...since 90% of the robots in game, are NOT competitive.

I mentioned this previously somewhere, a long time ago. If something is going to be in "For nostalgia's sake", a disclaimer would be nice.

If, as you say, the mech isn't meant to be viable in this game to begin with, I'd rather people be up front about it than try to pine for quirks and inflation.
If people want their 2 Hardpoint 20 ton humanoid IS light, or the Locust with a lower engine cap, then sure, they can have it, as stated. Hopefully they can continue to pay for MWO's overhead overall.

[El Bandito]

No Longbow, and Blood Kite? No deal. Gimme my Lurmer Assaults!