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[naterist]

see the poll. challange accepted and won.

edit: i realize the last question is confusing, its more about do you want unit v unit warfare(current system), or for this to be about factions and the innersphere and making you feel like your in the innersphere fighting for your house.

Edited by naterist, 15 February 2017 - 02:46 PM.

[Will9761]

You said exactly what I was thinking, but only with added rewards as a bonus for being a loyalist. I said this stuff on my thread tilted: "Making Loyalists Appealing"

Edited by Will9761, 15 February 2017 - 02:56 PM.

[MaxFool]

How is units fighting units opposite of battletech centric?

[naterist]

tell me the day you graduated from nais and ill believe that as a usable counter for anything.

this isnt real, your unit is not a legit battalion irl. your all players, a unit just happens to be a group of players in the eyes of the game. also, not sure what your even responding to with that.....

i realize the last question is confusing, its more about do you want unit v unit warfare(current system), or for this to be about factions and the innersphere and making you feel like your in the innersphere fighting for your house.

Edited by naterist, 15 February 2017 - 02:45 PM.

[RaptorCWS]

6 votes total is hardly enough to claim a victory.

[DarklightCA]

naterist, on 15 February 2017 - 02:43 PM, said:

this isnt real, your unit is not a legit battalion irl. your all players, a unit just happens to be a group of players in the eyes of the game. also, not sure what your even responding to with that.....

I thought all you loremasters wanted to do is roleplay? You are correct about one thing, this isn't real and we are all just players playing a video game. In this video game lore doesn't mean squat because everybody wants a balanced game.

Edited by DarklightCA, 15 February 2017 - 03:21 PM.

[Carl Vickers]

So you say it is a better worded poll then contradict yourself by saying your last question is confusing. GG

Edit, just out of interest, did you vote in your own poll?

Edited by Carl Vickers, 15 February 2017 - 03:31 PM.

[MaxFool]

naterist, on 15 February 2017 - 02:43 PM, said:

i realize the last question is confusing, its more about do you want unit v unit warfare(current system), or for this to be about factions and the innersphere and making you feel like your in the innersphere fighting for your house.

To me, that is indeed confusing question. Unit v unit warfare is in no way opposite option to battletech centric. You can have both, and you can have neither (just look at solo queue as it is now, perfect example of having neither). I bet we have lots of players who would prefer FP to have both aspects at the same time.

EDIT: It's actually not just the question that's confusing, the answers are confusing too. Second option even contradicts itself. The only thing clear about it, is that you want us to answer 1 and not 2.

Edited by MaxFool, 15 February 2017 - 03:45 PM.

[Daidachi]

DarklightCA, on 15 February 2017 - 03:17 PM, said:

I thought all you loremasters wanted to do is roleplay? You are correct about one thing, this isn't real and we are all just players playing a video game. In this video game lore doesn't mean squat because everybody wants a balanced game.

He can't hear you over the amount of Stackpole happening right now.

[MacClearly]

Hold on let me log into all my accounts to sway the voting....

[MischiefSC]

I think everyone would like a deeper FW environment - logistics, factions having a purpose, wtc.

That has nothing to do with trying to force players to only take stock builds and eliminating the point of the mechbay, customization and cementing poor balance and design decisions into gameplay.

[Carl Vickers]

MischiefSC, on 15 February 2017 - 04:35 PM, said:

I think everyone would like a deeper FW environment - logistics, factions having a purpose, wtc.

That has nothing to do with trying to force players to only take stock builds and eliminating the point of the mechbay, customization and cementing poor balance and design decisions into gameplay.

Goal posts needed to be shifted so he could get a positive result.

[MischiefSC]

Carl Vickers, on 15 February 2017 - 04:40 PM, said:

Goal posts needed to be shifted so he could get a positive result.

Good winners can afford to be gracious.

The trash talk and lols happen later in TS.

The same thing happened with the "Clans should be OP" crowd. When it became clear that only the terribad Clan munchkins and a tiny handful of "it's the principle" IS players (who wouldn't have stayed) wanted it they either left or went quiet.

Most people want a good, fun, well balanced game and recognize forced stock loadouts or terribad IS/Clan balance or similar ideas are not balanced or fun or sustainable in the long run.

[Carl Vickers]

A part of me does understand where they are coming from. I remember when I was terribad and was getting low scores, Im sure this happened to most of us at one point.

The thing that annoys me the most is instead of trying to get better and realizing it will happen, these current crop seem to just want to whine about it instead of putting the effort in and getting better.

[MischiefSC]

Carl Vickers, on 15 February 2017 - 05:48 PM, said:

A part of me does understand where they are coming from. I remember when I was terribad and was getting low scores, Im sure this happened to most of us at one point.

The thing that annoys me the most is instead of trying to get better and realizing it will happen, these current crop seem to just want to whine about it instead of putting the effort in and getting better.

I would personally recommend finding the best team possible to carry you. It's turning into a reliable system for me.

[justcallme A S H]

MischiefSC, on 15 February 2017 - 04:35 PM, said:

I think everyone would like a deeper FW environment - logistics, factions having a purpose, wtc.

That has nothing to do with trying to force players to only take stock builds and eliminating the point of the mechbay, customization and cementing poor balance and design decisions into gameplay.

And yet, stock load outs is losing in this poll as well.


What a surprise.


Not.

[MischiefSC]

Confirmation bias. You will gravitate to people and information that agrees with you. When you hear or see information you will inherently value and remember info that agrees with you before that which doesn't.

That's not new. The magical thinking of "everyone else is wrong, the evidence can't be trusted and secretly most people agree with me" is an old standby.

We're all potentially guilty of it.

Edited by MischiefSC, 15 February 2017 - 06:44 PM.

[Emeraudes]

naterist, on 15 February 2017 - 02:11 PM, said:

see the poll. challange accepted and won.

edit: i realize the last question is confusing, its more about do you want unit v unit warfare(current system), or for this to be about factions and the innersphere and making you feel like your in the innersphere fighting for your house.

Actually, I think the only question that was really the same as what was discussed is the 2nd question. Your other questions seemed to be a sub point to the fact because the argument against was that stock builds had no place in the current system where FW was concerned.

In which case, the popular vote was still "No"

Also your idea that people were taking your stance, who were the true majority, was also debunked because that would have to require most people to pick yes(I assume that's the view you meant to express).

At the time I post this, the results were:

Question 1 - 13 Yes, 14 Everything else.
Question 2 - 5 Yes, 22 Everything else.
Question 3 - 13 yes, 14 Everything else
Question 4 - 11 Yes, 16 Everything else.

Clearly, your opinion does not represent the majority. Diluting the questions with neutral answers means people just don't care. That stance does not allow you to pull them to your side of the argument, they're taking their own stance separate from either.

Edited by Emeraudes, 15 February 2017 - 07:02 PM.

[MischiefSC]

I do think it's a bit ironic that only 5 people think stock loadouts have a place in FW.

[Deathlike]

MischiefSC, on 15 February 2017 - 07:05 PM, said:

I do think it's a bit ironic that only 5 people think stock loadouts have a place in FW.

Well, that number seem legit.