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[Y E O N N E]

Andi Nagasia, on 21 January 2017 - 06:35 PM, said:

its that you get more Tonnage with XXL + Endo then Ferro + Endo,
a LCT-PB with a 180XL +3DHS +Endo +Ferro +Max Armor(none in Arms) has about 7.5TonsFree & 8critsFree,
a LCT-PB with a 190XXL +3DHS +Endo +Max Armor(none in Arms) has about 8.5TonsFree & 16critsFree,
in this case the LCT with the XXL goes faster and has more Tonnage & Crits Available,

even if its just for smaller mechs the XXL engine could really halp all lights,
especially ones taking Ballistics(or single Energy(1PPC / 1ERPPC / 1LPL) as its hard to over heat with 1PPC)

It doesn't matter though. I've already got bare minimum usable heat dissipation on a Locust and you want me to effectively turn all of my heat-sinks into SHS just so I can run even faster than other Lights I am already out-running and fit a little more armor in places that don't get hit while bringing a gimmicky weapons payload.

There is such a thing as diminishing returns, dude, and you've found them.

Snowbluff, on 21 January 2017 - 06:39 PM, said:

They still need to be a shortcut afterwards as wel. It rewards skill and game knowledge.

I do want more structure on IS mechs in general to compensate for the deficiency of the STD and XL.

I agree 100%, actually. Lacking any sort of durability buff and the critslot requirement would be enough of a penalty that the heat mechanic should be left at the door.

Edited by Yeonne Greene, 21 January 2017 - 06:42 PM.

[Valhallan]

IMO XXL weight savings isn't worth it for a light, especially with that heat penalty, only meds might get a use out of it. For those saying its better than endo, not all slots are equal, leg and ct slots are pretty worthless on most IS for example, also the slot consumption can be placed in the arms whereas the engine slots are always in the ST.

And for those thinking that the cXL is a technological advantage and the IS should lump it until they make their own, it is not, once again the cXL is made from mystical juju fairy dust.
Per sarna
"It has been indicated that the Clan model of Extralight Fusion Engines requires special materials only available from facilities on the Clan homeworlds. Wolf's Dragoons spent several years building their own engines for their OmniMechs before this material shortage compelled them to find an alternative. Rather than using the bulkier (and more vulnerable) Inner Sphere engines, they successfully developed the Light Fusion Engine, which uses the same bulk of the Clan models but at half the weight savings. This is notable as it seemed the Dragoons had little trouble reproducing other Clan equipment."

Edited by Valhallan, 21 January 2017 - 09:42 PM.

[Bombast]

Valhallan, on 21 January 2017 - 09:41 PM, said:

IMO XXL weight savings isn't worth it for a light, especially with that heat penalty, only meds might get a use out of it. For those saying its better than endo, not all slots are equal, leg and ct slots are pretty worthless on most IS for example, also the slot consumption can be placed in the arms whereas the engine slots are always in the ST.

That's all true. No one is saying the XXL is going to replace the XL or Endosteel - Even as bad as it is, the IS XL engine is still pretty much the best the Inner Sphere has. Even the LFE isn't going to put a dent in it's usage.

Just saying that, on some builds, the XXL would be a boon, particularly on mechs that have arm mounts, or ones that can fit both Endo and an XXL (Because while there may be some benefits of Endo over XXL, Ferro absolute trash compared to it).

Edited by Bombast, 21 January 2017 - 09:51 PM.

[Y E O N N E]

XXL is a boon for Medium Laser boats. That's basically it.

[Valhallan]

Bombast, on 21 January 2017 - 09:51 PM, said:

That's all true. No one is saying the XXL is going to replace the XL or Endosteel - Even as bad as it is, the IS XL engine is still pretty much the best the Inner Sphere has. Even the LFE isn't going to put a dent in it's usage.

Just saying that, on some builds, the XXL would be a boon, particularly on mechs that have arm mounts, or ones that can fit both Endo and an XXL (Because while there may be some benefits of Endo over XXL, Ferro absolute trash compared to it).

And i agree, but as i said most of those mechs are in the medium class , the cicada could make some good use out of it for example .

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Valhallan, on 21 January 2017 - 09:58 PM, said:

the cicada could make some good use out of it for example .

It could really make use of it if PGI would fix it's engine cap.

...Just saying. It irks me that it's not being fixed, and double irks me that it's most likely not getting fixed because the Assassin needs to be special.

[Andi Nagasia]

Yeonne Greene, on 21 January 2017 - 09:53 PM, said:

XXL is a boon for Medium Laser boats. That's basically it.

that doesnt make much sense with the heat problems of the XXL,
i would say that that would cost more to Laser boats taking 5DHSs from you roughtly,

i would say any Light or Medium Ballistic Mechs would probable be better with XXLs,
Light or Medium Ballistic Mechs, could make good use of the Extra Tonnage, and wouldnt be prone to over heating,

which is why i brought up the RVN-4X, with the AC10(3.5Ammo) or AC20(2.5Ammo) with Max engine,

[Y E O N N E]

Andi Nagasia, on 21 January 2017 - 10:09 PM, said:

that doesnt make much sense with the heat problems of the XXL,
i would say that that would cost more to Laser boats taking 5DHSs from you roughtly,

i would say any Light or Medium Ballistic Mechs would probable be better with XXLs,
Light or Medium Ballistic Mechs, could make good use of the Extra Tonnage, and wouldnt be prone to over heating,

It benefits Medium Laser boats because that's all you have slots for. You can bring 18-19 DHS and 8x single-slot weapons using the XXL, and the Medium-class is the most potent single-slot weapon the IS have. It isn't conducive to any form of ballistic due to the ammo requirements and the fact that one ballistic of any type is insufficient if that's all you can carry.

It is for this reason, though, I think the heat penalty for XXL should be ditched entirely for MWO if the XXL is ever added.

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which is why i brought up the RVN-4X, with the AC10(3.5Ammo) or AC20(2.5Ammo) with Max engine,

And I pointed out that those are gimmick builds. Nobody who wants to actually be useful cares.

[Hit the Deck]

Just give IS all engine types (Compact, STD, LFE, XL, and XXL) and no need to worry.

Edited by Hit the Deck, 21 January 2017 - 10:24 PM.