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[Tristan Winter]

With these hoverjets and the low projectile speed on the AC10, it feels like I'm back in 2003, playing Max Payne 2. Except slow motion bullet-time doesn't work on anyone else except me.

Not pictured: my dumb AC10 projectiles drifting lazily through the air like water balloons and not coming close to hitting anyone.

[Brenden]

The AC-10 is fine. You just need to better lead your shots.

[Bombast]

Maybe a mild velocity would help, but not much. If they buffed it too much, it might take away the only awesome thing about the LB 10-X.

[Pjwned]

It already got an ammo tonnage buff, what else do you want?

Edited by Pjwned, 24 January 2017 - 08:31 AM.

[The Unstoppable Puggernaut]

Nah I agree, the IS AC 10 always bugged the crap out of me. It's a great weapon stats wise and I still use them but it desperately needs fixing. All we're talking about is the velocity speed. It still takes quite some time to shoot the next round(s).

[Tristan Winter]

Brenden, on 24 January 2017 - 08:14 AM, said:

The AC-10 is fine. You just need to better lead your shots.

That's quite possible. But I'm not really seeing anyone else use the AC10 either. Maybe everyone needs to git gud? Or am I simply not noticing how popular the IS AC10 is?

[Quicksilver Aberration]

Pjwned, on 24 January 2017 - 08:23 AM, said:

It already got an ammo tonnage buff, what else do you want?

A velocity buff for starters. Both the AC10 and PPC have similar damage profiles and ranges, yet one has 300m/s over the other.

[Tristan Winter]

Pjwned, on 24 January 2017 - 08:23 AM, said:

It already got an ammo tonnage buff, what else do you want?

Me personally? I'm not sure what the solution is. For mechs that have a single ballistic component, such as the Cataphract, Victor, Shadow Hawk, Dragon or Highlander, I find that it's a bit difficult to pair the AC10 with PPCs, which used to be a thing. And if I'm combining a single ballistic with SRMs, it's usually going to be the AC20, or I may as well just boat SRMs instead.

It seems like the AC10 is only used for mechs like the Rifleman and Jagermech, for running 2xAC10 with lasers. I'm not really seeing other mechs use it very much. I don't even see 2xAC10 used on the King Crab, Cyclops, Mauler or CTF-3D, even though those mechs are capable of running 2xAC10 plus lasers. Instead, people tend to run 2xAC20, 4xUAC5 or something else entirely on those mechs.

Maybe I have simply not noticed that many people are using the AC10. From my vantage point, it seems to be the most rare IS Ballistic weapon right now.

[Davegt27]

its hard to keep up with PGI and there
shenanigans

[Y E O N N E]

Dat CPLT-K2 withthe 20% velocity boost and 20% range boost? Yeah, that's pretty much perfect. 2xPPC + 1x AC/10 and a STD 275/280 is pretty solid on it.

[Hit the Deck]

Quicksilver Kalasa, on 24 January 2017 - 09:29 AM, said:

A velocity buff for starters. Both the AC10 and PPC have similar damage profiles and ranges, yet one has 300m/s over the other.

Methinks the desire for AC/10+PPC combo can't be more obvious.

[Snazzy Dragon]

I can really only use the damn thing with mechs that have 15% velocity buffs or greater and even then the AC/10 is an extremely awkward weapon to shoehorn into a build.

[Scout Derek]

Snazzy Dragon, on 24 January 2017 - 09:47 AM, said:

I can really only use the damn thing with mechs that have 15% velocity buffs or greater and even then the AC/10 is an extremely awkward weapon to shoehorn into a build.

I can only use it with my Mauler.

[Y E O N N E]

Hit the Deck, on 24 January 2017 - 09:46 AM, said:

Methinks the desire for AC/10+PPC combo can't be more obvious.

And why should that be bad? We've got a Gauss rifle across the way with the same weight and smaller size and better range. Why shouldn't the AC/10 at least compete in its own bracket?

[Quicksilver Aberration]

Yeonne Greene, on 24 January 2017 - 09:51 AM, said:

And why should that be bad? We've got a Gauss rifle across the way with the same weight and smaller size and better range. Why shouldn't the AC/10 at least compete in its own bracket?

This, the concern over weapon synergy is a goofy one. Weapon synergy is a good thing because it gives more reason to not boat weapons, it also means the weapon becomes useful for mechs that can't boat AC10s (which is pretty much all of them) but can use one or two with PPCs.

[Ultimax]

AC 10 definitely needs a velocity buff.

UACs need to be unnerfed, AC 5 needs to be unnerfed.

[Bishop Steiner]

Quicksilver Kalasa, on 24 January 2017 - 09:29 AM, said:

A velocity buff for starters. Both the AC10 and PPC have similar damage profiles and ranges, yet one has 300m/s over the other.

one also has a significant heat profile advantage, and much quicker cooldown. Last thing we need is return to PPC/AC10 pairing poptarts.

Just speaking as someone who uses AC10s on pretty every mech possible, not named HBK-4G.
(my 3 primary heavies being a dual ac10 Ilya, dual ac10 rifleman and an ac10/4xSRM4 packing Orion, and my standby non Hunchback mediums being the CN9-A and D..both with std AC10s.... and speaking as a flanker and harasser... I love the ac10 as is. It get's a vel buff, I just see more mid range peeking being encouraged, tbh)

I don't deny a projectile vel would be nice, I just worry about reopening pandora's box.

Edited by Bishop Steiner, 24 January 2017 - 10:51 AM.

[Snazzy Dragon]

Bishop Steiner, on 24 January 2017 - 10:48 AM, said:

one also has a significant heat profile advantage, and much quicker cooldown. Last thing we need is return to PPC/AC10 pairing poptarts.

The burst mechanic on the cAC10 will ensure that doesn't happen on the clan side (effectively, anyway), and as for the mechs capable of that loadout with jumpjets... they're.. kind of bad. Really bad. Like, cataphract and highlander kind of bad. And they barely get enough lift with their JJs at this point to crest one of the rocks on canyon. They also have to expose far more of their mech because of mount locations.

Edited by Snazzy Dragon, 24 January 2017 - 10:50 AM.

[Bishop Steiner]

Snazzy Dragon, on 24 January 2017 - 10:50 AM, said:

The burst mechanic on the cAC10 will ensure that doesn't happen on the clan side (effectively, anyway), and as for the mechs capable of that loadout with jumpjets... they're.. kind of bad. Really bad. Like, cataphract and highlander kind of bad. And they barely get enough lift with their JJs at this point to crest one of the rocks on canyon. They also have to expose far more of their mech because of mount locations.

That's great..if we only look at mechs currently in game. A shortsightedness that has repeatedly bitten us in the *** as new mechs have been released. Also I find the burst on avUAC10 short enough to land pretty successfully on my Goodyear Blimp... er... Night Gyr.

[Quicksilver Aberration]

Bishop Steiner, on 24 January 2017 - 10:48 AM, said:

one also has a significant heat profile advantage, and much quicker cooldown.

Which is nice, but it also eats up tonnage to get those advantages, and it can't be boated on very few mechs and there isn't really a weapon that goes with it nicely like LL did in TT (because of the disparity between hitscan and projectiles at 450m).

Honestly though, both the AC20 and AC10 need buffs because both are lackluster in their range brackets.

Edited by Quicksilver Kalasa, 24 January 2017 - 10:59 AM.