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[Fergy]

Just wanted to throw this up here. One of the closest games ive ever seen and awesome to watch a KGC cap a point at the last minute to win the match. Game winning screenshot below

http://imgur.com/5mELKGA

[The6thMessenger]

Use bbcodes man.

Also that's bad damage spreading right there.

Edited by The6thMessenger, 31 January 2017 - 11:26 PM.

[Y E O N N E]

The6thMessenger, on 31 January 2017 - 11:25 PM, said:

Also that's bad damage spreading right there.

Or PPFLD.

The KGC isn't exactly known for its fantastic ability to redistribute incoming damage, though.

[The6thMessenger]

Yeonne Greene, on 31 January 2017 - 11:44 PM, said:

Or PPFLD.

The KGC isn't exactly known for its fantastic ability to redistribute incoming damage, though.

KGC has ok torso turn rate compared to other assaults (000 actually has 25% than 35%), likewise there's also many other common weapons than PPFLD like lasers, Gauss is hard to defend, but slower projectiles like ACs and PPCs can be side-shielded, at his tier since he's a rookie it's most likely LRMs as well. KGC is extremely vulnerable to those, but it spreads like a lot and can be avoided by simply wiggling around.

[Tristan Winter]

The6thMessenger, on 31 January 2017 - 11:54 PM, said:

KGC has ok torso turn rate compared to other assaults (000 actually has 25% than 35%), likewise there's also many other common weapons than PPFLD like lasers, Gauss is hard to defend, but slower projectiles like ACs and PPCs can be side-shielded, at his tier since he's a rookie it's most likely LRMs as well. KGC is extremely vulnerable to those, but it spreads like a lot and can be avoided by simply wiggling around.

In this particular case, he was armed with UAC5s, so any observations about spreading damage with dual gauss and ppcs are a bit moot. Killing people with quad UAC5s requires face time and leaves you vulnerable to CT damage. Especially on a King Crab, which isn't exactly run-and-gun.

[The6thMessenger]

Tristan Winter, on 31 January 2017 - 11:58 PM, said:

In this particular case, he was armed with UAC5s, so any observations about spreading damage with dual gauss and ppcs are a bit moot. Killing people with quad UAC5s requires face time and leaves you vulnerable to CT damage. Especially on a King Crab, which isn't exactly run-and-gun.

So does LRMs, and i could shield quite well using the Frigate.

[Lily from animove]

The6thMessenger, on 31 January 2017 - 11:54 PM, said:

KGC has ok torso turn rate compared to other assaults (000 actually has 25% than 35%), likewise there's also many other common weapons than PPFLD like lasers, Gauss is hard to defend, but slower projectiles like ACs and PPCs can be side-shielded, at his tier since he's a rookie it's most likely LRMs as well. KGC is extremely vulnerable to those, but it spreads like a lot and can be avoided by simply wiggling around.

doesn't matters, when I come across a KGC with my Nova all you need is to jump, from a more upper angle, crab can twist as much as it wants you will hit mostly just CT. And ballistic crabs with smaller ac's don't have much time to twist.

Edited by Lily from animove, 01 February 2017 - 04:48 AM.

[NighthawK1337]

Lily from animove, on 01 February 2017 - 02:55 AM, said:

doesn't matters, why I come across a KGC with my nova all you need is to jump, from a more upper angle, crab can twist as much as it wants you will hit mostly just CT. And ballistic crabs with smaller ac's don't have much time to twist.

Yeah I notice that too when fighting them, double score if it's a lurmcrab.

[Dimento Graven]

The6thMessenger, on 31 January 2017 - 11:54 PM, said:

KGC has ok torso turn rate compared to other assaults (000 actually has 25% than 35%), likewise there's also many other common weapons than PPFLD like lasers, Gauss is hard to defend, but slower projectiles like ACs and PPCs can be side-shielded, at his tier since he's a rookie it's most likely LRMs as well. KGC is extremely vulnerable to those, but it spreads like a lot and can be avoided by simply wiggling around.

The KGC's torsos can be hit from 360 degrees.

Every angle, front back, top and bottom.

'Damage rolling' is very ineffective on this 'mech.

Yes, some 'mechs have it worse (the DWF comes to mind) due to a lack of twist rate and such, but EVEN WITH the KGC's superior twisting capabilities, it doesn't matter. You can pretty much hit any torso you want, from any angle you see it.

[Hidirian]

The6thMessenger, on 31 January 2017 - 11:54 PM, said:

KGC has ok torso turn rate compared to other assaults (000 actually has 25% than 35%), likewise there's also many other common weapons than PPFLD like lasers, Gauss is hard to defend, but slower projectiles like ACs and PPCs can be side-shielded, at his tier since he's a rookie it's most likely LRMs as well. KGC is extremely vulnerable to those, but it spreads like a lot and can be avoided by simply wiggling around.

This right here is why in that other thread I asked if you've ever played a KC which you did post that you have, but now it looks like you mastered it and never played it again. Just like most other people have pointed out you can't really torso twist to distribute dmg in the KC when using ac's and keep doing dmg with said weapons. You're either torso twisting and trying to spread dmg with your massive center torso taking most of the dmg anyway and doing little to no dmg or you're taking dmg and dishing it out at the same time.

[Tristan Winter]

Hidirian, on 01 February 2017 - 08:26 AM, said:

This right here is why in that other thread I asked if you've ever played a KC which you did post that you have, but now it looks like you mastered it and never played it again. Just like most other people have pointed out you can't really torso twist to distribute dmg in the KC when using ac's and keep doing dmg with said weapons. You're either torso twisting and trying to spread dmg with your massive center torso taking most of the dmg anyway and doing little to no dmg or you're taking dmg and dishing it out at the same time.

A fair assumption, but no further analysis was needed when he admitted to playing LRM king crabs

[The6thMessenger]

Hidirian, on 01 February 2017 - 08:26 AM, said:

This right here is why in that other thread I asked if you've ever played a KC which you did post that you have, but now it looks like you mastered it and never played it again. Just like most other people have pointed out you can't really torso twist to distribute dmg in the KC when using ac's and keep doing dmg with said weapons. You're either torso twisting and trying to spread dmg with your massive center torso taking most of the dmg anyway and doing little to no dmg or you're taking dmg and dishing it out at the same time.

Lol. Just lol.

I know that it can be hit from every side. But they pointed out that it's for PPFLD where all the damage is done instantly on one compartment. I reasoned out that it's possible when against lasers, and missiles, which are also prevalent, with LRMs even more prevalent on lower tiers, since the OP is a rookie. If you didn't know, Laser and LRM damage spreads.

Likewise there are many other builds to the king crab than just UAC5s. Me playing other builds does not equal to not playing King Crabs at all.

Besides, that sounds more like an issue of the weapon itself than the mech, cause at every other mech with UAC5s you also need face time to keep doing damage -- what KGC has to do with it? You'll be cored at most other mechs as well when you face-time dakkaed.

Stop butting in conversations you know little about. Seriously. Or at least have some nuance, and back read.

Tristan Winter, on 01 February 2017 - 10:31 AM, said:

A fair assumption, but no further analysis was needed when he admitted to playing LRM king crabs

Just LRM5s. I had Large Lasers and AC10s too. Ever heard of the Frigate? Novakaine approves.

It's in my sig. But i admit, yeah UAC5s do require more face time -- since Yeonne Greene place the focus on KGC as being terrible in spreading damage in general, i thought it's not about UAC5, not the weapon system but the mech itself.

Still with other builds, against other weapons than PPFLD, King Crab can armor roll, and that was the point.

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The6thMessenger, on 23 November 2016 - 04:08 AM, said:

Edited by The6thMessenger, 01 February 2017 - 06:09 PM.

[Hidirian]

I think it's funny that someones telling me I don't know what I'm talking about when I main the KC(I don't play that much and I only pug) KC stats (I don't own many mechs either ). In fact I just got an ace of spades no less than 20 mins ago in a match and no I don't use uac/5's on my KC. So far my fav build for KC is 2 ac/10s 4mgs and 2 med pulse lasers on the 000. Still waiting for mrms to make the 0000 good cause atm I just brawl with it using srm6's and lbx10s(might even be better than the 000 when the new weapons come out).

Edited by Hidirian, 01 February 2017 - 06:37 PM.

[The6thMessenger]

Hidirian, on 01 February 2017 - 06:36 PM, said:

I think it's funny that someones telling me I don't know what I'm talking about when I main the KC(I don't play that much and I only pug) KC stats (I don't own many mechs either ). In fact I just got an ace of spades no less than 20 mins ago in a match and no I don't use uac/5's on my KC. So far my fav build for KC is 2 ac/10s 4mgs and 2 med pulse lasers on the 000. Still waiting for mrms to make the 0000 good cause atm I just brawl with it using srm6's and lbx10s(might even be better than the 000 when the new weapons come out).

Try using BBCodes.

The6thMessenger, on 01 February 2017 - 04:09 PM, said:

Stop butting in conversations you know little about. Seriously. Or at least have some nuance, and back read.

I didn't said that you knew little about the king crab, i said you knew little about the conversation. Good stats by the way, but really don't put this about me as a person like you did the last thread, cause it's really pathetic.

Yeonne Greene shifted the focus into KGC being inherently bad at damage spreading -- i argued against it, Tristan Winters argued that it's because of UAC5 instead. To which i challenge the relation of KGC in it, as you can get cored by pretty much face tanking with most other mechs.

tl;dr, it's a UAC issue, not KGC issue.

Like i said, hows about nuance and back read?

Also, try the Frigate build on the 0000, you might like it. It has AC10, LLs, and LRM5s -- not really good, but it's not bad, and it's fun.

Edited by The6thMessenger, 01 February 2017 - 06:57 PM.

[Hidirian]

The only lrm build that I didn't really hate was 4 lrm 10s (about 1080 missiles) with 4 med lasers with a 300 std. I mean I tried plenty of others but they didn't feel balanced. Idk about that frigate build, I don't think its for me as I usually have a 2 weapon type policy as my mouse only has 2 buttons which is great for 2 weapon groups, I do not have the greatest computer or the $ to get a better one heh.

[Xocoyol Zaraoul]

Really dang close match there, been a rather long time since I've seen a 750 to 749 score!

Edited by Xocoyol Zaraoul, 01 February 2017 - 07:09 PM.

[The6thMessenger]

Hidirian, on 01 February 2017 - 07:05 PM, said:

The only lrm build that I didn't really hate was 4 lrm 10s (about 1080 missiles) with 4 med lasers with a 300 std. I mean I tried plenty of others but they didn't feel balanced. Idk about that frigate build, I don't think its for me as I usually have a 2 weapon type policy as my mouse only has 2 buttons which is great for 2 weapon groups, I do not have the greatest computer or the $ to get a better one heh.

Just chain fire the LRM5s on the "3" weapon group, worked for me so far.

[Revis Volek]

Yeonne Greene, on 31 January 2017 - 11:44 PM, said:

Or PPFLD.

The KGC isn't exactly known for its fantastic ability to redistribute incoming damage, though.

Yea, thats easily could have been just a bit of LRM rain on the poor KGC hit boxes.

[Beaching Betty]

Title not relevant to the picture, but oh k

[Adept Richard III-gamma]

TurdFurgeson1, on 31 January 2017 - 11:15 PM, said:

Just wanted to throw this up here. One of the closest games ive ever seen and awesome to watch a KGC cap a point at the last minute to win the match. Game winning screenshot below

http://imgur.com/5mELKGA

Lol dang! Rarely see those!

Xocoyol Zaraoul, on 01 February 2017 - 07:07 PM, said:

Really dang close match there, been a rather long time since I've seen a 750 to 749 score!

At least someone here stayed on topic...