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[Sunstruck]

The Black Knight gets some of the quirks it used to have back, bringing it back inline with the old meta Black Knight.

[Deathlike]

Reality said:

lol no

[Bud Crue]

OP: In the PTS BKs 6B and 7 lost most of their PPC quirks, 7L lost heat gen. But because the squirks tree lets you squirk it out in the same was as any other mech, you think that means the BK "is back"?

Ok. Then yes, it is as much "back" as the Jenner "is back", Vindicator "is back", or the Zeus "is back", etc.

[I_AM_ZUUL]

Bud Crue, on 09 February 2017 - 02:53 PM, said:

OP: In the PTS BKs 6B and 7 lost most of their PPC quirks, 7L lost heat gen. But because the squirks tree lets you squirk it out in the same was as any other mech, you think that means the BK "is back"?

Ok. Then yes, it is as much "back" as the Jenner "is back", Vindicator "is back", or the Zeus "is back", etc.

If those mechs are back... Victor and Highlander are KINGS again!!!!!

Oh wait... I just remembered, this is just another IS nerf and Clan Buff.

Edited by I_AM_ZUUL, 09 February 2017 - 02:57 PM.

[Sunstruck]

I guess I need to clarify the details for the ignorant.

[Deathlike]

Sunstruck, on 09 February 2017 - 04:20 PM, said:

I guess I need to clarify the details for the ignorant.

You do realize the problems with the BK starts with the durability issues and not so much the offensive capabilities?

That's why what your posting is irrelevant.

Edited by Deathlike, 09 February 2017 - 04:23 PM.

[Acehilator]

Sunstruck, on 09 February 2017 - 04:20 PM, said:

I guess I need to clarify the details for the ignorant.
[snip]

I guess I need to clarify the details for the people who cannot see beyond some pretty numbers.

The Black Knight was nerfed again. You are never getting those bonuses back.

Yes, you can add bonuses via weapon skills. Guess what? So can everybody else.

So in relation, you are worse off than before. Well, at least in relation to Clan mechs, because pretty much all other IS mechs got nerfed, too.

[Amsro]

[LT. HARDCASE]

Then you realize the Timber Wolf and Night Gyr are now juiced to the gills, with the same exact quirks.

[Deathlike]

LT. HARDCASE, on 09 February 2017 - 05:24 PM, said:

Then you realize the Timber Wolf and Night Gyr are now juiced to the gills, with the same exact quirks.

Well, there's that and the KDK-3. The other Kodiaks got screwed in collateral damage.

[NighthawK1337]

Back from the dead? Probably. Back to the meta? Probably not.
Because the quirks you listed are also most likely being packed by the other meta mech builds.

[Tarl Cabot]

Deathlike, on 09 February 2017 - 04:23 PM, said:

You do realize the problems with the BK starts with the durability issues and not so much the offensive capabilities?

That's why what your posting is irrelevant.

How is that, really? When PGI castrated the BK it was its offensive power more than its defensive/structural quirks.

• BLACK KNIGHT 7KNT-L (12-2015 Quirk Pass)
  
• Black Knight: December 15th for MC and January 19th for C-Bills
  
• Energy Range 5% >> Energy Range +20%
  
• Laser Duration -12.5% >> Laser Duration -15%
  
• nada >> Energy Heat Gen -10%
  
• Torso Yaw Speed 7.5% >>Torso Yaw Speed +20%
  
• Add Struc L/R Arm +6 >> Add Struc L/A Arm +12
  
• Add Struc L/R Torso +8 >> Add Struc L/R Torso +16
  
• nada >> Add Struc CT +23
  
• Add Struc L/R Leg +8 >> Add Struc L/R Leg +16

Black Knights available for C-Bill purchase Jan 2016

• April 2016 - 3-6 Structural pt decrease
  
• Energy Range 10%
  
• Laser Duration -15%
  
• Energy Heat Gen -10%
  
• Torso Yaw Speed 20%
  
• Add Struc CT +17
  
• Add Struc L/R Torso +12
  
• Add Struc L/A Arm +9
  
• Add Struc L/R Leg +12

Marauder
Release date for MC: March 15th 2016
Release date for C-Bills: April 19th 2016

Warhammer
Release date for MC: April 5th 2016
Release date for C-Bills: May 3rd 2016

• June 2016 Quick change - Major hit duration from 15% to 0%, With Warhammer and Marauder not castrated yet - BK almost disappeared
  
• Energy Range 10% > 15% / 5% increase
  
• Laser Duration -15% > 0% / -15% decrease
  
• Energy Heat Gen -10% > -5% / -5% decrease
  
• Torso Yaw Speed 20% > 20% / 0% no change
  
• Add Structure CT 17 > 17 0
  
• Add Structure LT 12 >12 0
  
• Add Structure RT 12 >12 0
  
• Add Structure LA 9 > 9 0
  
• Add Structure RA 9 > 9 0
  
• Add Structure LL 12 > 12 0
  
• Add Structure RL 12 > 12 0

• Feb 2017 PTS/Skill Change
  
• The above stays same except following...
  
• Energy Heat Gen -5% >> 0% / -5%

Edited by Tarl Cabot, 09 February 2017 - 06:12 PM.

[Deathlike]

Tarl Cabot, on 09 February 2017 - 06:09 PM, said:

How is that, really? When PGI castrated the BK it was its offensive power more than its defensive/structural quirks.

• BLACK KNIGHT 7KNT-L (12-2015 Quirk Pass)
  
• Black Knight: December 15th for MC and January 19th for C-Bills
  
• Energy Range 5% >> Energy Range +20%
  
• Laser Duration -12.5% >> Laser Duration -15%
  
• nada >> Energy Heat Gen -10%
  
• Torso Yaw Speed 7.5% >>Torso Yaw Speed +20%
  
• Add Struc L/R Arm +6 >> Add Struc L/A Arm +12
  
• Add Struc L/R Torso +8 >> Add Struc L/R Torso +16
  
• nada >> Add Struc CT +23
  
• Add Struc L/R Leg +8 >> Add Struc L/R Leg +16

Black Knights available for C-Bill purchase Jan 2016

• April 2016 - 3-6 Structural pt decrease
  
• Energy Range 10%
  
• Laser Duration -15%
  
• Energy Heat Gen -10%
  
• Torso Yaw Speed 20%
  
• Add Struc CT +17
  
• Add Struc L/R Torso +12
  
• Add Struc L/A Arm +9
  
• Add Struc L/R Leg +12

Marauder

Release date for MC: March 15th 2016
Release date for C-Bills: April 19th 2016

Warhammer
Release date for MC: April 5th 2016
Release date for C-Bills: May 3rd 2016

• June 2016 Quick change - Major hit duration from 15% to 0%, With Warhammer and Marauder not castrated yet - BK almost disappeared
  
• Energy Range 10% > 15% / 5% increase
  
• Laser Duration -15% > 0% / -15% decrease
  
• Energy Heat Gen -10% > -5% / -5% decrease
  
• Torso Yaw Speed 20% > 20% / 0% no change
  
• Add Structure CT 17 > 17 0
  
• Add Structure LT 12 >12 0
  
• Add Structure RT 12 >12 0
  
• Add Structure LA 9 > 9 0
  
• Add Structure RA 9 > 9 0
  
• Add Structure LL 12 > 12 0
  
• Add Structure RL 12 > 12 0

• Feb 2017 PTS/Skill Change
  
• The above stays same except following...
  
• Energy Heat Gen -5% >> 0% / -5%

It got scaled up (it got bigger), and as a consequence simply became less durable.

[Y E O N N E]

When you look at all those buffs on the BK, remember that now everybody else gets the same or near enough.

So...no. My BJ-1X looks god-like on PTS, but then I remember that everybody else is tougher now, too, so net gain of zero.

[Mole]

I thought the Black Knight was killed by the rescale, not by its quirks.

[Y E O N N E]

Mole, on 09 February 2017 - 08:55 PM, said:

I thought the Black Knight was killed by the rescale, not by its quirks.

It was killed by both. It was dependent on massive structure bonus to compensate for crap hard-point positioning, and those got nerfed. Laser range also got nerfed.

The Warhammer had obsoleted it before those nerfs, though.