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[MrMadguy]

Recently I played match, where I had to report last man standing position. I even enabled my global chat specially to do it. Usually I explain, why it happens, but anti-reporters usually tell us cool stories about winning 1 vs 10 games and tell us, that it's their legitimate way of playing the game. So, now we have great example. This video. Watch first match. That's what happens: Beef just runs around map, avoiding direct engagement, barely supporting his team, only stealing some kills, allowing enemies to kill his teammates one by one, but when game is already lost due to lack of his support and it's already 1 vs 5 - he all of a sudden tries to "win" this game. Waste of other players' time as the result. And imagine, if it would have been Skirmish - not Domination. He would have simply continued hiding in outer circle and avoiding other players via using seismic for ages? Yeah? That's why Skirmish needs way to prevent players from running away, hiding, avoiding engagement, dragging out already lost match.

P.S. Great example of guy, who has became popular only due to funny accent.

Edited by MrMadguy, 12 February 2017 - 02:06 AM.

[Snazzy Dragon]

[meteorol]

He certainly should have shared more armor in his... locust

[Juodas Varnas]

[Battlemaster56]

[Tarogato]

MrMadguy, on 12 February 2017 - 01:54 AM, said:

Recently I played match, where I had to report last man standing position. I even enabled my global chat specially to do it. Usually I explain, why it happens, but anti-reporters usually tell us cool stories about winning 1 vs 10 games and tell us, that it's their legitimate way of playing the game. So, now we have great example. This video. Watch first match. That's what happens: Beef just runs around map, avoiding direct engagement, barely supporting his team, only stealing some kills, allowing enemies to kill his teammates one by one, but when game is already lost due to lack of his support and it's already 1 vs 5 - he all of a sudden tries to "win" this game. Waste of other players' time as the result. And imagine, if it would have been Skirmish - not Domination. He would have simply continued hiding in outer circle? Yeah? That's why Skirmish needs way to prevent players from running away, hiding, avoiding engagement, dragging out already lost match.
P.S. Great example of guy, who has became popular only due to funny accent.

Holy wow you don't know how to read a match.

First of all, he took an AC20 to the CT while in a Locust. At that point, you can't be expected to do much at all, because just one well-placed graze of a laser will take you out of the match.




Second, at 21:28 he literally says "let's go help that guy", and only bails because the ally died before he could get there in time to help.

At 22:00, he says "I can't really spare the armour." Which is 100% true, because he's in a Locust with a cherry CT. He has no armour to give - his best use is being a vulture.

By 22:20 he's heading straight for the clump of enemies and allies, not "avoiding direct engagement" like you like to imagine he is. (but let's be honest here, a cored Locust needs to seek indirect engagements. A "direct" engagement is suicide. But an indirect engagement is an engagement none the less, and he does a lot of that.)

He gets a kill. He gets to cover, and his allies die. He expected them to be chasing after him, so he heads out the gate, hoping to get one by themselves. He checks seismic, and goes for some ambushing pokes. He knows that the Stormcrow will go "whoa, there's a mech behind me, let me turn around and go kill it", so he backs it up some more to lead the Stormcrow further into isolation, it's the only chance he has. But the Stormcrow doesn't come. The last ally dies.

Now he has nearly 60 seconds of Domination timer to scout for injured enemies and pick off some consolation kills. So he uses that time wisely, playing carefully and checking his Seismic. He isolates a Hunchback and kills it. A teammate congratulates him in VOIP.

He goes into a hidey-hole inside the circle so that the enemy has to search for him. In his hidey hole, he's more likely to see them before they see him. When he sees an isolated enemy on Seismic, he goes for it. It's a Shadow Cat.. and unfortunately it turns out to be fresh, so it's game over. He goes to disengage, but over twists and a Stormcrow gets his XL through the back. gg

3 kills, 500 damage in a Locust.





I wanna hear your version in more detail. Where's again the part where he's "barely supporting his team", and "just running around the map" ?




Edit: Oh shoot, I forgot to add the compulsory gif...

Edited by Tarogato, 12 February 2017 - 02:41 AM.

[I_AM_ZUUL]

MrMadguy, on 12 February 2017 - 01:54 AM, said:

Recently I played match, where I had to report last man standing position. I even enabled my global chat specially to do it. Usually I explain, why it happens, but anti-reporters usually tell us cool stories about winning 1 vs 10 games and tell us, that it's their legitimate way of playing the game. So, now we have great example. This video. Watch first match. That's what happens: Beef just runs around map, avoiding direct engagement, barely supporting his team, only stealing some kills, allowing enemies to kill his teammates one by one, but when game is already lost due to lack of his support and it's already 1 vs 5 - he all of a sudden tries to "win" this game. Waste of other players' time as the result. And imagine, if it would have been Skirmish - not Domination. He would have simply continued hiding in outer circle and avoiding other players via using seismic for ages? Yeah? That's why Skirmish needs way to prevent players from running away, hiding, avoiding engagement, dragging out already lost match.

P.S. Great example of guy, who has became popular only due to funny accent.

I agree 1,000,000% with the concept and someone made a video about me for player behavior report (and reported me to PGI by his own admission) because I reported a cancer Raven-3L who did the exact behavior you described... but this was not a good example of that cancerous behavior which is so prevalent in the game.

Edited by I_AM_ZUUL, 12 February 2017 - 02:38 AM.

[Kasumi Sumika]

inb4 locked & [REDACTED] edit for naming & shaming

[Kilo 40]

MrMadguy, on 12 February 2017 - 01:54 AM, said:

Beef just runs around map, avoiding direct engagement, barely supporting his team, only stealing some kills, allowing enemies to kill his teammates one by one,

sooooo much wrong in just this one sentence.

off the top of my head, 1 lights are supposed to avoid direct engagement. 2. the way you try to make his kills sound illegitimate by calling them kill steals 3, how in the hell is anyone, especially if they are in a locust, "allowing" his teammates to get picked off??

honestly, it's posters like you that keep me from frequenting the forums anymore.

[Tier5 Kerensky]

I wonder if OP is trolling. I mean I had to watch the whole match and saw no hiding really.

[Snazzy Dragon]

Teer Kerensky, on 12 February 2017 - 03:56 AM, said:

I wonder if OP is trolling. I mean I had to watch the whole match and saw no hiding really.

The complaint type coincides with his average scores, I guess.

Not only potato, but potato that cannot see what good positioning, engagement angles, and light play looks like

Edited by Snazzy Dragon, 12 February 2017 - 03:59 AM.

[Skipmagnet]

Sounds like someone got touched in the bad place by a Lolcust.

[Bombast]

[meteorol]

Snazzy Dragon, on 12 February 2017 - 03:57 AM, said:

The complaint type coincides with his average scores, I guess.

Not only potato, but potato that cannot see what good positioning, engagement angles, and light play looks like

I didn't check his stats in particular, but i'm playing more CW than QP lately (which means potato level over 9000) and it really seems that the ones complaining the loudest about their team are the worst players with increasing regularity.

Dunno if it's the lack of understanding concerning how good play actually looks, or if people are behind some kind of perceptual filter, but apparently a large amount of terribads feel the urge to call others out for being bad.

[LordNothing]

if i see the beef in the last alive mech on my team i know its going to be interesting to watch. however most players arent the beef. notice how hes always doing something. he is not facing a corner shut down for several minutes on end, he is pointing out, watching for an oppritunity to ambush, and avoiding unnecessary movement to stay off seismic. i once won a game of invasion when the last light mech on our team did the creepy crawl and a blistering fast 6kph to get into position to take out the last few hp on the generator. if you are shut down facing a wall, you wont see the bad guys coming and you wont see your radar or your seismo. i dont like people who draw games out unnecessarily (especially when im trying to level that one mech i just bought and want it back). especially when they dont have the skill to do so, but hell if you are doing something im not going to report you. but if someone rats you out and there is a good reason, dont expect any sympathy from me. il know within the first minute if you are actually interested in winning.

Edited by LordNothing, 12 February 2017 - 05:06 AM.

[NighthawK1337]

That's how a light is supposed to play. He's got barely enough armor to survive an AC/20 hit, let alone share armor. Best he can do is distract and kite which he's doing. Locusts are supposed to "Secure" kills. If he powered down just to vulture, then there may be a merit to your complaints but he didn't. He suddenly went on the attack because he already knows that it's a losing battle and wants to take a few down with him. He's not trying to vulture.

I think Tarogato said everything that needs to be said. You just can't read a match OP. If you really always report the last guy standing then I think you deserve to get reported as well.

meteorol, on 12 February 2017 - 04:56 AM, said:

Dunno if it's the lack of understanding concerning how good play actually looks, or if people are behind some kind of perceptual filter, but apparently a large amount of terribads feel the urge to call others out for being bad.

Dunning Kruger effect. It's an actual thing.

Edited by NighthawK1337, 12 February 2017 - 05:32 AM.

[Jay Leon Hart]

MrMadguy, on 12 February 2017 - 01:54 AM, said:

Recently I played match, where I had to report last man standing position. I even enabled my global chat specially to do it. Usually I explain, why it happens, but anti-reporters usually tell us cool stories about winning 1 vs 10 games and tell us, that it's their legitimate way of playing the game. So, now we have great example. This video. Watch first match. That's what happens: Beef just runs around map, avoiding direct engagement, barely supporting his team, only stealing some kills, allowing enemies to kill his teammates one by one, but when game is already lost due to lack of his support and it's already 1 vs 5 - he all of a sudden tries to "win" this game. Waste of other players' time as the result. And imagine, if it would have been Skirmish - not Domination. He would have simply continued hiding in outer circle and avoiding other players via using seismic for ages? Yeah? That's why Skirmish needs way to prevent players from running away, hiding, avoiding engagement, dragging out already lost match.

Clearly you can do better.

Please show us a video of you in a Locust killing at least 3 assault 'mechs in 1 match - oh, and they have to be at least KMDDs, not "kill stealing" as you put it.

Don't worry, we can wait...

[Besh]

"[...}only stealing some kills[...]" - entire post got moved into BS Area in my mind ( sadly so, heading seemed to promise an interesting point being made and hopefully working explanation to follow ) . "Killstealing"...utterly STUPID to apply that Idea to MW:O .

The rest of whats wrong with the OP has been pointed out in detail already .

Edited by Besh, 12 February 2017 - 05:36 AM.

[NighthawK1337]

Snazzy Dragon, on 12 February 2017 - 03:57 AM, said:

The complaint type coincides with his average scores, I guess.

Not only potato, but potato that cannot see what good positioning, engagement angles, and light play looks like

Left to right:
Season, Rank(Ave Match Score), Pilot Name, Total Wins, Total Losses, W/L Ratio, Total Kills, Total Deaths, K/D Ratio, Games Played, Average Match Score.

S1 41609 MrMadguy 19 14 1.36 11 24 0.46 33 152
S2 35013 MrMadguy 28 26 1.08 28 44 0.64 56 165
S3 38021 MrMadguy 68 109 0.62 80 143 0.56 180 146
S4 40043 MrMadguy 64 78 0.82 37 118 0.31 145 140
S5 37548 MrMadguy 23 17 1.35 16 34 0.47 43 147
S6 No games
S7 30839 MrMadguy 15 15 1.00 11 23 0.48 30 134
S8 21203 MrMadguy 10 11 0.91 7 19 0.37 21 128


Yeah, I think it's ironic that OP made an actual post calling out somebody else's skills with stats like that.
Seriously....

.62 WLR in the season where he had the most games? Yeah..... really doubting he's gonna go MLG anytime soon. He didn't even break 170 ave match score throughout his piloting career.


If you call out other people questioning their skills, always remember that your stats are public and is quite easy to check. You'll be subject to scrutiny as well.

Edit: sorry for the formatting T_T, can't edit it without making it worse.

Edited by NighthawK1337, 12 February 2017 - 05:55 AM.

[Dino Might]

Mad, you better not be one of those guys who shouts about how lights shouldn't be able to go toe to toe with heavies...

Edited by Dino Might, 12 February 2017 - 05:48 AM.