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[PlayerUnknown]

Idealsuspect, on 14 February 2017 - 07:24 AM, said:

And see the result lol ..
COMA guys aren't new in the game they still play same way since long time, very very conservative if you play conservative you may use them as meat shield and help them but if you want sacrifice yourself for make them improve maybe ask them IF they want really improve and after look if they can improve

For example people who play with joystick for example even if they want improve, won't if they don't wanna play mouse+keyboard .... lol .
Ask same thing about way of play ( push or turrets playtstyle ), theirs pings ( COMA are from aussie if i remember and their ping is also not very good for many weapons out of auto aimed missiles ).

Lol Novakaine, jaytech you aren't BMMU anymore now you are a COMA guy even HHoD people give you advice about how play "properly" man .. my advice is runaway from this unit.

I am not coma any more, they dropped me after those two fights and it is ok. no hard feelings. i am happier now. and we are still cool. i said i would show them the video from my perspective.

I am joining -M- , they are a chill bounce of people. we could grow and learn a lot from each other.

and joy sticks, no that will not fly in this game, in the old mechwarrior games yeah of course i only use joy stick.

but this is mwo a different animal. mouse keyboard or don't expect to be ace any time soon unless your extremely gifted.

Edited by JayRtech, 14 February 2017 - 07:28 AM.

[xTrident]

Only watching the first video thus far I don't think your team left you behind. You're in a capable Thunderbolt - capable of keeping up. I actually noticed you standing still and shooting a few times when you could have continued pushing forward and grouping up with your team better... If that's why you were asking if you were left behind.

Secondly, as far as the medium lasers being shot at that distance has been brought up and your reasoning for it. If those opposing enemies have a clue they notice being brushed by your lasers but aren't concerned with it because you're not doing any damage to them. At least that's what I do anymore. I've seen plenty of players shoot whatever size laser my way and either do very little to no damage while it's hitting me, and sometimes their lasers don't even touch me. Hey... If they want to keep wasting shots on me, go for it.

Edited by xTrident, 14 February 2017 - 07:29 AM.

[meteorol]

JayRtech, on 14 February 2017 - 07:16 AM, said:

yeah but look at my heat from where i start, to where i end up close to the enemy, i know how to manage my heat. i drop over ride engaged . if i didnt know how to play with my heat. i wouldn't mess with over ride. but i do, so i understand heat. but maybe for you, that could be a problem i don't know. i do what ever damage i can do to the enemy, period. the more damage they take whether it be a 62 point alpha, or a 5 point from 5 med lasers at 600 meters, hay damage is damage is damage, once u take damage to a certain spot. it is weaker now, and will be destroyed faster. and 5 points add up buddy, 5 , then 5 , then 5, take cover , cool down to 30% before engaging again. 5 , 5 , 5, on the same mech, closer now, 450 meters lets say 10 points of damage , 10 , 10 ,10 , at the right torso , then 10 , 10 , 10 closer, 14 14 14 other torso, 300 meters POP IT FULL ALPHA UR DEAD (T.T) on top of all the other attacks thrown at you from the rest of my team :-p

It's not about managing your heat. It's about damage/heat ratio.

Using 3 ML costs 12 heat. At 500+ m they will deal something like 4dmg together.
A PPC costs 9.5 heat for 10 damage at 500m, or 13.5 for 10 damage if it's an ER PPC.

It's just way better to invest 13.5 heat for 10 damage than it is to use 12 for 4. You are better off spamming your PPCs more often than using the heat for ML at ranges where they almost deal no damage anymore. It will lead to you dealing more damage in total over the course of a whole match.

If your mechs are build around using a considerable amount of their heatcap way outside of their weapons optimal range, you should consider rebuilding your mechs.

Edited by meteorol, 14 February 2017 - 07:32 AM.

[PlayerUnknown]

i know how to manage heat .


https://youtu.be/NJ-1rlsFBnk

see for your self.

[PlayerUnknown]

this is how i attack from long range

https://youtu.be/-vfDFF0oHPo

[kesmai]

#psrisalie #tier1isalie #omygod #yesimaasshole

[meteorol]

JayRtech, on 14 February 2017 - 08:11 AM, said:

i know how to manage heat .


https://youtu.be/NJ-1rlsFBnk

see for your self.

Again, this is not your ability to manage your heat (you overheated in sight of multiple enemy mechs at 5.12 in that video btw).

This video isn't related to the fact that using energy weapons way out of their optimal range is inefficient at all. You are using them within or reasonably close to optimal range for the vast majority of the video.

The crunchpoint is that, while you are reasonably managing your heat, you are getting inefficient damage numbers out of the used heat because you are using when using your weapons at close 2x optimal range.

If you can't see how 13.5 heat is better invested into 10 damage than 12 heat into 4 damage, i don't really know what to tell you anymore.

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kesmai, on 14 February 2017 - 08:45 AM, said:

#psrisalie #tier1isalie #omygod #yesimaasshole

(MEOW)(=^.0)????

meteorol, on 14 February 2017 - 08:48 AM, said:

Again, this is not your ability to manage your heat (you overheated in sight of multiple enemy mechs at 5.12 in that video btw).

This video isn't related to the fact that using energy weapons way out of their optimal range is inefficient at all. You are using them within or reasonably close to optimal range for the vast majority of the video.

The crunchpoint is that, while you are reasonably managing your heat, you are getting inefficient damage numbers out of the used heat because you are using when using your weapons at close 2x optimal range.

If you can't see how 13.5 heat is better invested into 10 damage than 12 heat into 4 damage, i don't really know what to tell you anymore.

ok how about we do some games, and we can test out your theory, and my theory . what do you say ?????

best top damage out of 5 games wins this friendly bet yeah.

because damage this and damage that, at the end of the day. who is killing who, and who is winning what.

i do constant 4-800 damage group que, and 1500-2500 fw, 3000 rarely now a days , its not hard to do for me, but i changed now because i don't abuse players .

i do those builds , because i know what i can do with 2 er ppcs. so i play fair. i don't have to go to hard.

last fw game i did 1113 with just 2 er ppcs, and ran out of time with my banshee , yes two mechs video up soon.

because you can say what you want about numbers this and that, but on the battle field . im going to come at you 110%, lets see if your numbers save you there vs my piloting skills. '


also i out range clans with 3 or 2 er ppcs and known to kill from 1400-1100 meters away

Edited by JayRtech, 14 February 2017 - 08:59 AM.

[kesmai]

do you play oceanic?

[PlayerUnknown]

xTrident, on 14 February 2017 - 07:28 AM, said:

Only watching the first video thus far I don't think your team left you behind. You're in a capable Thunderbolt - capable of keeping up. I actually noticed you standing still and shooting a few times when you could have continued pushing forward and grouping up with your team better... If that's why you were asking if you were left behind.

Secondly, as far as the medium lasers being shot at that distance has been brought up and your reasoning for it. If those opposing enemies have a clue they notice being brushed by your lasers but aren't concerned with it because you're not doing any damage to them. At least that's what I do anymore. I've seen plenty of players shoot whatever size laser my way and either do very little to no damage while it's hitting me, and sometimes their lasers don't even touch me. Hey... If they want to keep wasting shots on me, go for it.

so your going to let the enemy take free shots at you , make you weaker. so they can kill you faster???????????

kesmai, on 14 February 2017 - 08:56 AM, said:

do you play oceanic?

im in the usa, california

[meteorol]

JayRtech, on 14 February 2017 - 08:50 AM, said:

ok how about we do some games, and we can test out your theory, and my theory . what do you say ?????

Dude. Cmon. Really.

First off all, this test wouldn't prove anything, because top damage highly depends on player skill, and we probably aren't really close enough in that regard to make a sample size of 5 games worth anything.

That aside... Heat is a resource in this game. Do you really need tests to confirm that spending a resource at full price to get like 1/5 of the reward is not a good deal when you could get the full reward instead?

[PlayerUnknown]

meteorol, on 14 February 2017 - 08:59 AM, said:

Dude. Cmon. Really.

First off all, this test wouldn't prove anything, because top damage highly depends on player skill, and we probably aren't really close enough in that regard to make a sample size of 5 games worth anything.

That aside... Heat is a resource in this game. Do you really need tests to confirm that spending a resource at full price to get like 1/5 of the reward is not a good deal when you could get the full reward instead?

you just need to manage your heat. look at the guys with 62 alpha hellbringers and ebon jags, how do they get 2000-3000 damage with 4 mechs in fw,

how does 1 9se thunderbolt do 1200 damage with just 3 lrg pulse?

range yes i know , but 1 point of damage is better then no point of damage. it add up.

how does a banshee do 1100 damage with only 5 lrg pulse, when most of the time i was firing from 7-800 meters away.
http://imgur.com/a/h8s8m

and being honest with u, i don't calculate anything, i just fit what i think works and go to town.
3 lrg pulse, 2 er ppc or 3 with 3 med laser, 1 lrg pulse 5 small pulse. std eng , max heat sinks.
i watch my heat, i know my gaming style. i dont have time to. ok 700 meters away, my range is what again. x this many shots. -_-'''' numbers are for the birds. u either work with 30-40 alphas for low heat faster kill and attack depending on how u play or u go high alphas and wait for cool downs, who cares if its 1 point of damage, that tells me your gaming style needs improvement.

pick at them from long range, because you can close in the gap and finish the job, twist better. move better. defend better. and if you get killed thats because you let ur self get killed and that hurts the team.

Edited by JayRtech, 14 February 2017 - 09:09 AM.

[xTrident]

JayRtech, on 14 February 2017 - 08:58 AM, said:

so your going to let the enemy take free shots at you , make you weaker. so they can kill you faster???????????


im in the usa, california

That's what you got out of me saying they, like you, are shooting that far away doing next to nothing to my armor? Like I said, they're just wasting shots on me and by doing so hopefully my team is moving in better position. I've literally taken shot after shot at these ridiculous ranges for these weapons and the enemy might drop the health of my mech to 98%.

To answer your question, yeah, I'm going to let the enemy take those shots. In no way am I concerned with an enemy shooting me that far out of the range of their weapons.

[PlayerUnknown]

xTrident, on 14 February 2017 - 09:09 AM, said:

That's what you got out of me saying they, like you, are shooting that far away doing next to nothing to my armor? Like I said, they're just wasting shots on me and by doing so hopefully my team is moving in better position. I've literally taken shot after shot at these ridiculous ranges for these weapons and the enemy might drop the health of my mech to 98%.

To answer your question, yeah, I'm going to let the enemy take those shots. In no way am I concerned with an enemy shooting me that far out of the range of their weapons.

it doesn't do anything, u sure. 1 point of damage x 5 wont hurt u in the long run ????

and that is because you never played vs me with 2 er ppcs thunderbolts :-D

i hate getting hit for free. because i know i need that armor later when i am rushing at an enemy killing one after another after another after another.

Edited by JayRtech, 14 February 2017 - 09:12 AM.

[meteorol]

JayRtech, on 14 February 2017 - 09:01 AM, said:

you just need to manage your heat. look at the guys with 62 alpha hellbringers and ebon jags, how do they get 2000-3000 damage with 4 mechs in fw,

how does 1 9se thunderbolt do 1200 damage with just 3 lrg pulse?

range yes i know , but 1 point of damage is better then no point of damage. it add up.

how does a banshee do 1100 damage with only 5 lrg pulse, when most of the time i was firing from 7-800 meters away.
http://imgur.com/a/h8s8m

You are really not capable of understanding the very basic principle of damage/heat.

I don't know what to tell you anymore. I tried to explain why it is not a good idea to do so instead of just criticizing you for it without further explanation like others did. But if you wont try to consider the logic behind what i said, you will have a hard time to improve as a player.

[PlayerUnknown]

also, how about sending me a link to check out your gaming styles . since you guys know what your talking about.

i know idealsuspect style and Ash

but i am curious on the others :-D

meteorol, on 14 February 2017 - 09:14 AM, said:

You are really not capable of understanding the very basic principle of damage/heat.

I don't know what to tell you anymore. I tried to explain why it is not a good idea to do so instead of just criticizing you for it without further explanation like others did. But if you wont try to consider the logic behind what i said, you will have a hard time to improve as a player.

lets see your style first . and improving as a player.

first let me see how you play. since you seen how i play, fair right.

i know what you are saying, but that stuff doesn't work for me. i am passed that stage i passed it my first day LOL

Edited by JayRtech, 14 February 2017 - 09:18 AM.

[kesmai]

you do not know kesmai style.
you know nothing jayrtech.

[PlayerUnknown]

kesmai, on 14 February 2017 - 09:19 AM, said:

you do not know kesmai style.
you know nothing jayrtech.

show me, i would like to see it ,


https://youtu.be/hnFDjF9WmXE

show me what they can do.

Edited by JayRtech, 14 February 2017 - 09:22 AM.

[xTrident]

JayRtech, on 14 February 2017 - 09:11 AM, said:

it doesn't do anything, u sure. 1 point of damage x 5 wont hurt u in the long run ????

and that is because you never played vs me with 2 er ppcs thunderbolts :-D

i hate getting hit for free. because i know i need that armor later when i am rushing at an enemy killing one after another after another after another.

I'm talking specifically about your medium lasers that had a max effective range of 270 meters that you were shooting trying to hit an enemy at 500+ meters. Not your PPC's, because obviously that's a different story. Use whatever numbers you want, I know what I see when I'm out there. Dropping my mech to 98% is nothing. It's not going to make or break the match for me, especially considering you can fall and damage your mech to that point.

Again, it's not about getting hit for free. It's about grabbing their attention and giving them the illusion that they're actually doing something. You assume I just stand there and take it for no reason and that's not my point. I'll take some of those worthless shots for the team, I'll take them in order to get myself into another position, I'll take them if I believe there's an advantage in doing so. Those shots aren't even what concerns me in a situation like this, I'm always more concerned being seen.

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JayRtech, on 14 February 2017 - 09:20 AM, said:

show me, i would like to see it , since your very adamant that i know nothing.

xTrident, on 14 February 2017 - 09:20 AM, said:

I'm talking specifically about your medium lasers that had a max effective range of 270 meters that you were shooting trying to hit an enemy at 500+ meters. Not your PPC's, because obviously that's a different story. Use whatever numbers you want, I know what I see when I'm out there. Dropping my mech to 98% is nothing. It's not going to make or break the match for me, especially considering you can fall and damage your mech to that point.

Again, it's not about getting hit for free. It's about grabbing their attention and giving them the illusion that they're actually doing something. You assume I just stand there and take it for no reason and that's not my point. I'll take some of those worthless shots for the team, I'll take them in order to get myself into another position, I'll take them if I believe there's an advantage in doing so. Those shots aren't even what concerns me in a situation like this, I'm always more concerned being seen.

if my weapon box turns yellow, i will fire, black i will not. simple. dude i get high kill and damage games with a spider with only 1 leg. do u think i care about range. i am there to kill, take out the enemy, save my team, win the game, it works. why fix something if it ain't broken.???

JayRtech, on 14 February 2017 - 09:21 AM, said:

if my weapon box turns yellow, i will fire, black i will not. simple. dude i get high kill and damage games with a spider with only 1 leg. do u think i care about range. i am there to kill, take out the enemy, save my team, win the game, it works. why fix something if it ain't broken.??? i will shot u until your dead , done

JayRtech, on 14 February 2017 - 09:20 AM, said:

show me, i would like to see it ,