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[General Solo]

I think the whole idea behind the new system was to reduce module and quirk induced power creep.
And to put some variety and player choice/ownership into the skill tree.
I'm definitely OK with that idea.

I'm just waiting for it to be released and will reserve judgment until then.

[General Solo]

About some of the info war comments
In my mind we have info war to a limited degree

1) The R button
2) Narc
3) Paper doll
4) Some of the info and range modules
5) Knowledge of mech silhouettes, loadouts and abilities
6) LOS or lack of LOS
7) Maybe other stuff I hadn't thought yet before my second cuppa coffee
8) Map and spawn point knowledge
9) Satellite sweeps

Info war is limited yes, but its still there.
I wonder wot kind of info do people mean or expect.

[MacClearly]

Void Angel, on 18 February 2017 - 11:46 AM, said:

The outrage is premature - lots of us set out just exactly those concerns in our testing feedback. We'll wait and see what adjustments they make before we light the forums on fire.

Yeah I think it is coming and I think my opinion is looking more and more like the minority. Seems that a lot of people like the idea and think there is value where I see none.

The reskill cost and not being able to share modules will be a huge stumbling block for me. I see it as a cheap way to grab money.

If they make the tree a touch simplier and perhaps make it easier to take stuff I want and skip what I don't need then maybe I will be a bit more on board. It doesn't offer me anything that I don't feel I already have with this system it so far seems to only take. Jump jet vectoring just hasn't done it for me.

[Dee Eight]

How exactly is PGI grabbing money ? Cbills don't actually exist. Its not a real currency. PGI isn't holding a gun to any player's head forcing them to play the game, or spend actual money to play the game. Virtual game currency is just that... VIRTUAL.

Edited by Dee Eight, 18 February 2017 - 03:02 PM.

[MacClearly]

Dee Eight, on 18 February 2017 - 03:01 PM, said:

How exactly is PGI grabbing money ? Cbills don't actually exist. Its not a real currency. PGI isn't holding a gun to any player's head forcing them to play the game, or spend actual money to play the game. Virtual game currency is just that... VIRTUAL.

Did you miss that there is an mc option for respec? So it is either a huge grind for extra space bucks or it will cost actual money.

Edited by MacClearly, 18 February 2017 - 05:45 PM.

[I_AM_ZUUL]

MacClearly, on 18 February 2017 - 06:45 AM, said:

No Zuul what is telling is how you use terms continually that you don't understand. Facetious was a good example. That you think 'failure of comprehension' sounds better than saying failure to comprehend, shows your attempt at verbiage and lack of properly understanding tense.

To an example of someone using the term game theory in a sentence properly please refer to Sjorpha comment in the following link: https://mwomercs.com...nk/page__st__40

As far as who is lying Zuul I believe what others have told me and what I have seen for my very own eyes. I saw you in the KDK 3 yesterday and from more than one account. Not to mention the three days I ran into you previously where you were in nothing but that same mech with the easy dakka build. For someone who gripes about builds like I previously pointed out, you seem to have no problem using it to stat pad.

So continue to call me names when I point out when you are wrong and call you out on your lies. It only strengthens my point that you are not a genius who uses advanced analytic theories to interpret MWO. However I am positive you will continue to be a source of amusement to myself and others on the forum acquainted with language and its use....



Nope done from the browser on my phone which sometimes despite pressing the enter key a few times does its own thing. I absolutely love when people make assumptions though.

I PLAY A MECH UNTIL I WIN AND GET THE DOUBLE XP FOR THE DAY!!!!!!!!!! Not I play a mech once a day... my god dude, you have to be literally the best troll I have ever encountered cause no one can truly be that ********. I showed screenshots of TWELVE MECHS that I have won matches in, some I played and won on the first match while others like a couple days ago where I did have to play that KDK-3 8 times before I got a win. They were some truly awful teams I was on, you were on 3 of them doing your part to make them be as awful as they were... so playing 7 losing matches is not "Stat padding" cause I do not really care about Stats since I view them to be a failure of only limited scope. There are lots of trash players who do nothing the whole fight but hide and retreat yet get 5 kills and 800 damage on the end screen... 5 kills and 789 damage that is completely & totally irrelevant since it was done after the fight had been lost and CGL had set it. So that is "Stat padding" since you are unsurprisingly not smart enough to know that already... and how many times was I hanging out in the back playing that cancer build you were saying if the "hard one"??? Never... a KDK-3 is a frontline murder mech that can push any point in the game with even just 2/3s of the team pushing with him, so I play that mech always on the frontline directing combat forwards. Well I am always directing combat forwards but some support mechs or second line mechs I direct from those positions.

you truly are just a garbage lying person deep down in your pysche

[I_AM_ZUUL]

Dee Eight, on 18 February 2017 - 03:24 AM, said:

I'm gonna take a guess that THAT definitely violates the CoC.

#WorthIt to call that scumbag out for what he truly is... he can never defend Ideas but always makes it personal attacks, a side effect of being mentally weak, I guess.

[MacClearly]

I_AM_ZUUL, on 18 February 2017 - 05:04 PM, said:

I PLAY A MECH UNTIL I WIN AND GET THE DOUBLE XP FOR THE DAY!!!!!!!!!! Not I play a mech once a day... my god dude, you have to be literally the best troll I have ever encountered cause no one can truly be that ********. I showed screenshots of TWELVE MECHS that I have won matches in, some I played and won on the first match while others like a couple days ago where I did have to play that KDK-3 8 times before I got a win. They were some truly awful teams I was on, you were on 3 of them doing your part to make them be as awful as they were... so playing 7 losing matches is not "Stat padding" cause I do not really care about Stats since I view them to be a failure of only limited scope. There are lots of trash players who do nothing the whole fight but hide and retreat yet get 5 kills and 800 damage on the end screen... 5 kills and 789 damage that is completely & totally irrelevant since it was done after the fight had been lost and CGL had set it. So that is "Stat padding" since you are unsurprisingly not smart enough to know that already... and how many times was I hanging out in the back playing that cancer build you were saying if the "hard one"??? Never... a KDK-3 is a frontline murder mech that can push any point in the game with even just 2/3s of the team pushing with him, so I play that mech always on the frontline directing combat forwards. Well I am always directing combat forwards but some support mechs or second line mechs I direct from those positions.

you truly are just a garbage lying person deep down in your pysche

Zuul the problem is you are not being honest. I did not really expect you to come clean and it is very typical for you to resort to name calling. Also the excuses never end with you.

As far as what you think are cancer builds or your opinion on my intelligence, I don't really get bothered because you continually misuse terms and say the most ridiculous things. What I do find funny is how easy it is to repeatedly kill with lurms while I am messing around.

So while you have continued to try and engage me, you are still completely unable to contribute anything meaningful to the conversation. All I have to do is point out some cold reality and your behaviour completely devolves into ranting and name calling. At some point I am waiting for you to figure out that since you seem to have a problem with me, you should put me on ignore and not comment on anything I say. Instead you seem to want to argue and fight. If you really want to do that and have me continually shoot down every bit of nonsense you come up with, do it via personal message.

[MacClearly]

I_AM_ZUUL, on 18 February 2017 - 05:58 PM, said:

#WorthIt to call that scumbag out for what he truly is... he can never defend Ideas but always makes it personal attacks, a side effect of being mentally weak, I guess.

I have not only defended my ideas I have clearly proven you misuse terms and have very little understanding of the game. I am also not the one name calling. I get that you don't understand that me pointing out your misuse and poor references to things is an 'attack' but it isn't. It is saying that your argument is not valid because you have not been able to back it up. There is a big difference between that and calling people you disagree with a scumbag.

[I_AM_ZUUL]

MacClearly, on 18 February 2017 - 06:03 PM, said:

Zuul the problem is you are not being honest. I did not really expect you to come clean and it is very typical for you to resort to name calling. Also the excuses never end with you.

As far as what you think are cancer builds or your opinion on my intelligence, I don't really get bothered because you continually misuse terms and say the most ridiculous things. What I do find funny is how easy it is to repeatedly kill with lurms while I am messing around.

So while you have continued to try and engage me, you are still completely unable to contribute anything meaningful to the conversation. All I have to do is point out some cold reality and your behaviour completely devolves into ranting and name calling. At some point I am waiting for you to figure out that since you seem to have a problem with me, you should put me on ignore and not comment on anything I say. Instead you seem to want to argue and fight. If you really want to do that and have me continually shoot down every bit of nonsense you come up with, do it via personal message.

I SHOWED PROOF THAT BACKS UP THE FACTS!!!!!!!! 12 different mechs that I had gotten a Win on since the day reset 7 hours previously (during which time i watched movies and hung out with my girlfriend not played continuously)... so rather than admit that you were lying and slandering me, you doubled down on being dog$hit without a scrap of honor who is not worthy of the slightest bit of respect.

[Dee Eight]

MacClearly, on 18 February 2017 - 04:24 PM, said:

Did you miss that there is an mc option for respec? So it is either a huge grind for extra space bucks or it will cost actual money.

I saw but it doesn't change the fact that PGI isn't holding a gun to your head to do it. They're providing an option. You don't have to use it. Or feel guilty over not using it.

[MacClearly]

I_AM_ZUUL, on 18 February 2017 - 06:15 PM, said:

I SHOWED PROOF THAT BACKS UP THE FACTS!!!!!!!! 12 different mechs that I had gotten a Win on since the day reset 7 hours previously (during which time i watched movies and hung out with my girlfriend not played continuously)... so rather than admit that you were lying and slandering me, you doubled down on being dog$hit without a scrap of honor who is not worthy of the slightest bit of respect.

Zuul I have screen shots as well of you in nothing but a KDK 3 over a period of three days. They are not worth me posting however because it is not like they have timestamps on them.... There are also other people who saw you during the same time. Also slander? Really? Exactly when did I SAY such things and who HEARD me? So please Zuul just go away and hang out with your "girlfriend" and stay out of my threads. You have nothing meaningful to contribute.

[MacClearly]

Dee Eight, on 18 February 2017 - 06:16 PM, said:

I saw but it doesn't change the fact that PGI isn't holding a gun to your head to do it. They're providing an option. You don't have to use it. Or feel guilty over not using it.

They are adding a cost where there wasn't one before. You may be ok with it, I am not.

Edited by MacClearly, 18 February 2017 - 08:13 PM.

[I_AM_ZUUL]

MacClearly, on 18 February 2017 - 06:28 PM, said:

Zuul I have screen shots as well of you in nothing but a KDK 3 over a period of three days. They are not worth me posting however because it is not like they have timestamps on them.... There are also other people who saw you during the same time. Also slander? Really? Exactly when did I SAY such things and who HEARD me? So please Zuul just go away and hang out with your "girlfriend" and stay out of my threads. You have nothing meaningful to contribute.

Yes... I play the KDK-3 EVERY SINGLE DAY FOR ALMOST THE PAST WEEK!!!!!!! That is a fact... it only had 1700 XP on it cause I stopped playing it as soon as it was Mastered, but now they need another 80k on them. So I am playing all my mechs that I want to have Mastered up to 80k... so you having screenshots means absolutely nothing when I had immediate proof of the fact that I had played 12 DIFFERENT MECHS and gotten Wins on them in a space of 7 hours (not all of which was spent on game.) So you ARE ******* LYING PIECE OF **** about how I am only "playing a KDK-3 to pad my stats" when I have done nothing but deride the stats was skewed to the point of them barely having any meaning and what meaning they do have is generally of little practical value.

You are just a piece of $hit i would scrape off the bottom of my boot... rather than man with any personal honor

Edit: do not talk about it, be about it. back up your claim... I did and can again, but you can not even present the fallacious evidence for your slanderous accusations. Just a scumbag on every single level

Edited by I_AM_ZUUL, 18 February 2017 - 07:40 PM.

[MacClearly]

I_AM_ZUUL, on 18 February 2017 - 07:37 PM, said:

Yes... I play the KDK-3 EVERY SINGLE DAY FOR ALMOST THE PAST WEEK!!!!!!! That is a fact... it only had 1700 XP on it cause I stopped playing it as soon as it was Mastered, but now they need another 80k on them. So I am playing all my mechs that I want to have Mastered up to 80k... so you having screenshots means absolutely nothing when I had immediate proof of the fact that I had played 12 DIFFERENT MECHS and gotten Wins on them in a space of 7 hours (not all of which was spent on game.) So you ARE ******* LYING PIECE OF **** about how I am only "playing a KDK-3 to pad my stats" when I have done nothing but deride the stats was skewed to the point of them barely having any meaning and what meaning they do have is generally of little practical value.

You are just a piece of $hit i would scrape off the bottom of my boot... rather than man with any personal honor

Edit: do not talk about it, be about it. back up your claim... I did and can again, but you can not even present the fallacious evidence for your slanderous accusations. Just a scumbag on every single level

No you had screen shots that could have been taken any time since whatever patch. You still don't understand what proof is. Again myself and others have seen you and now you seem to be backpeddling a bit on your story.

Again you calling me names and what you think as someone who continually misuses words and terms plus lies while accusing others of lying doesn't mean much to me. I know you don't like being called out for your bs but I do find it amusing how worked up you are getting.

Edited by MacClearly, 18 February 2017 - 08:13 PM.

[Void Angel]

MacClearly, on 18 February 2017 - 01:58 PM, said:

Yeah I think it is coming and I think my opinion is looking more and more like the minority. Seems that a lot of people like the idea and think there is value where I see none.

The reskill cost and not being able to share modules will be a huge stumbling block for me. I see it as a cheap way to grab money.

If they make the tree a touch simplier and perhaps make it easier to take stuff I want and skip what I don't need then maybe I will be a bit more on board. It doesn't offer me anything that I don't feel I already have with this system it so far seems to only take. Jump jet vectoring just hasn't done it for me.

Well, yeah. But there is value in the system; it allows more customization - which in turn allows PGI to kind of normalize weapon behaviors by looking at how weapons and 'mechs behave when everyone can have roughly the same quirks. The problems lie with the extreme costs for buying skill points, and the requirement of buying useless skills to get to the ones that are worthwhile.

[Void Angel]

Which is rather what we're waiting to hear about from PGI.

[MacClearly]

Void Angel, on 18 February 2017 - 08:38 PM, said:

Well, yeah. But there is value in the system; it allows more customization - which in turn allows PGI to kind of normalize weapon behaviors by looking at how weapons and 'mechs behave when everyone can have roughly the same quirks. The problems lie with the extreme costs for buying skill points, and the requirement of buying useless skills to get to the ones that are worthwhile.

You definitely have a more positive outlook than I do. As a guy who is always tinkering it is going to be tough to swallow the respec. I think they will cave to hiding decent nodes behind radar range etc.

Will be interesting to see what happens when Clan mechs that didn't have armour buffs now have access.

[Dee Eight]

OZHomerOZ, on 18 February 2017 - 01:45 PM, said:

I think the whole idea behind the new system was to reduce module and quirk induced power creep.
And to put some variety and player choice/ownership into the skill tree.
I'm definitely OK with that idea.

I'm just waiting for it to be released and will reserve judgment until then.

Also by eliminating the modules (which not everyone owns or uses every match on every mech) they can get a better handle on which mechs are over performing and WHY, because everyone will have the same nodes to work with under the new system, and they can easily capture the data of which nodes a mech has unlocked when it plays a game and know that'll be a constant for that player & mech, unless the player wants to pay SOMETHING to respec it. Ultimately this new tree system is about data collection by PGI, and making it simpler for them to determine what needs buffs or nerfs in the future.