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[Cabusha]

If you're happier, I guess more power to you. Just don't you dare squak about a crap team in chat if you can't be obliged to listen/help coordinate.

I personally figure out in the first 2-3 minutes of a match if someone needs to be muted. Most games though, it's a non issue.

[Wiley Coyote]

I still use text chat (I should to get on VOIP sooner or later) and just mute any idiots when needed. I've been finding more helpful voice chat lately but I'm not playing too often. If someone is willing to make calls, I'm willing to listen. Especially if they're reasonable calls. I had a guy the other night who I'd only seen a video of, Haven Kendrick (if I remember right). He gets right in to it on voice and it's glorious. We lost but it was still a great game because of him.

[FuhNuGi]

I would rather mute individuals instead of the team as a whole...

It is usually easy enough in the start window to figure out who gets muted

Most people, at least at first, are attempting to be helpful.

I can ignore them at my leisure.

[Novakaine]

I hope you "I don't use VOIP gits are never on my team."
Please go play Candy Crush.
No one there to bother you.
Sheesh.

[Bishop Steiner]

4lex, on 18 February 2017 - 07:32 AM, said:

I recently truned off voice, even if it cause me to skip some valuable info. I noticed that in the last games that i was using it, that i was not listening it any way. It was just some annoying back ground noise and often a huge source of anger.

So many clowns out there who start bitching about the team for they'r own failure after getting them self perished in the first min. So many ppl raging on voice for what ever reason. So many bossy leaders wanna be, high on a power trip.

No one care:
" OMG!! i just got sniped"
" fokin lurms no skil newbs got me pined"
" thanks for the suport all you loosers, you just lost 100 tons"
" Focus alphabetajuliettehector no beta I SAID BETA YOU LOOSERS!!"
" PUSH NOW! {*10 sec* /redteam team killed- pushjoe } all you noobs cant push!"

Playing with out voice is way more relaxing.

Oddly, with the rare (and admittedly annoying exception) I tend to only find the airways to get filled with pissiness for two reasons.... a wanna be Comp ran ahead and got himself offed (in which case, it's easy enough to just mute HIM, and still get valuable info from the rest of the team), or when people get fed up and tired of their team hiding and "sniping" because they're scared they might get shot... and seem content to lose slowly, instead of manning up, growing a pair, and pushing, which is the way you win the game, 90% of the time. Playing NOT TO LOSE is not the same as PLAYING TO WIN.

I have a feeling I know which group to file the OP under.

Novakaine, on 18 February 2017 - 05:12 PM, said:

I hope you "I don't use VOIP gits are never on my team."
Please go play Candy Crush.
No one there to bother you.
Sheesh.

Seriously.

I mean...how else will they hear you asking them to hold locks?

[Johnny Z]

East Indy, on 18 February 2017 - 08:33 AM, said:

I turned off VOIP early on for the same reasons. Recently I turned it back on, and have found that almost all users are constructive and mature. A few are excellent callers, too. If someone misbehaves? Mute button.

I did the same turned it off at first, let the VOIP hardliners get it out of their system then turned it back on. Very rarely is it annoying, but some do try now and then especially when I was going for top of leader board, it was sometimes like 5 matches in a row.

[Mystere]

Nesutizale, on 18 February 2017 - 12:44 PM, said:

Only thing that annyos me about VoiP is when people don't even try to speak english. Mine is bad as .... but please try at least.
When you yell in french or russian into my ear it just dosn't work.

Please use english in chat and VoiP.

Que?

[UrbyPilot21]

I've one instance of one player saying he hopes out team wasn't Team Idiots (or was it Moron). We won that match, so somebody said "I guess this isn't Team Idiots". !st guy had to concede it wasn't and thanked the rest. Probably just stressed.

Most other games I've had a winning team often had somebody calling the shots, and everybody else doing as told. And most losses I've experienced had no one talking. This game is about coordination and team work. You won't have time to type in what you need to say most of the time.

[Bishop Steiner]

Mystere, on 18 February 2017 - 06:36 PM, said:

Que?

BANZAI!!!!!!!!!

[The Unstoppable Puggernaut]

There's a few categories comms users generally fall under.

The leaders. Normally great to have, I appreciate them win or lose.

The callers. Calling good/key targets or movements (but dont want to lead). They also call out UAV's etc so they can really help turn the game.

The people under water. I have no idea what these people say but it tends to be along the lines of "muafuihwaouh3hjktnf0w0a00... NOW".

The people playing with a wifi microphone (which happens to be located in the kitchen). In order to hear them you have to turn up the sound and get deafened by everything else.

The whiny git on comms. Normally this doesn't become apparent until midgame when you can't afford to tab and mute. This person likes to inform you that you are losing... when you can clearly tell.

The hindsight specialists are great too. "Why did we do 'xxx', we clearly should have done 'yyy' and that's why we lost !!!!!". It's the people who have a fantastic battleplan that they care to share, 10 minutes too late.

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I've only had one person try and bash everyone who wasn't using comms (regardless of how well they did), I piped up to sort him out. Yes I have a mic but I just cba using it (sorry). The only times I used it was for that one guy. And to do a Michael Jackson impression (I am useless, sorry).

Generally I strongly believe comms should always be active, then just block the people who are being a being a headache.

[Ghogiel]

Probably Not, on 18 February 2017 - 02:59 PM, said:

Part of playing the game is effective communication between players and direction from better/more experienced players, though, I would think. If you're choosing not to do that, you're actively hurting your chances of pulling off a victory, because it's still a team based game and one person can only do so much.

In theory you are correct. In practice? nope.

No matter how clear and basic instruction is, pug life is real. anyone who is going to listen was probably already doing as much as their ability will allow for anyway. Most won't be listening/do the exact oposite/have no idea who or what to shoot, let alone be truely effective at said shooting.

[Lukoi Banacek]

Probably Not, on 18 February 2017 - 02:59 PM, said:

Part of playing the game is effective communication between players and direction from better/more experienced players, though, I would think. If you're choosing not to do that, you're actively hurting your chances of pulling off a victory, because it's still a team based game and one person can only do so much.

One would think that. But in solo queue, after hundreds of games of tracking exactly that kind of information down, my WLR is actually .03 higher when not using VOIP.

In group queue, I agree 100%. People there seem genuinely interested in all of the items mentioned above about why VOIP should be helpful. But in solo queue, it's not just anecdotal opinions I'm relying on. It's simple math. There's no significant drop off or improvement for me to not using it. I tracked literally hundreds of matches before and after VOIP and that math tells me all I need to know. Solo queue is so full of people playing casually, following their own agenda's, solo flankers, scouts who get behind the enemy and then stay there to die because they think assaults can teleport in to support them etc, that if there's a couple of guys on each side using VOIP to actual advantage, it's not showing up statistically.

Since there's no drop-off (0.03 improvement actually, again statistically irrelevant really), why should I play through irritation when I'm playing in solo queue, where I go for relaxing MWO? There isn't a reason to do so.

Ghogiel, on 19 February 2017 - 09:28 AM, said:

In theory you are correct. In practice? nope.

No matter how clear and basic instruction is, pug life is real. anyone who is going to listen was probably already doing as much as their ability will allow for anyway. Most won't be listening/do the exact oposite/have no idea who or what to shoot, let alone be truely effective at said shooting.

Here's someone who gets what I'm saying....and what my math backs up.

Novakaine, on 18 February 2017 - 05:12 PM, said:

I hope you "I don't use VOIP gits are never on my team."
Please go play Candy Crush.
No one there to bother you.
Sheesh.

But you don't bother me now. You on the other hand, seem bothered that I don't want to be bothered? I have played with you and against you plenty of times. Didn't see you complaining about my general performance then. Why wouldn't you want me now? Afraid my indifference to your potentially snappy patter on comms might disrupt your gameplay experience? Doubtful really, given the disparity in performance level. Focus on you, don't worry so much or take offense if I happen to want to play the game my way and still manage to contribute pretty decently.

[Ghogiel]

Probably Not, on 19 February 2017 - 02:31 PM, said:

That's absolutely infinitesimal. That small of a difference in a study would be completely negated by a margin of error.

That's what I think he is getting at> turning off voip or leaving it on makes no difference and thinking otherwise is just a cognitive bias

[Lukoi Banacek]

Probably Not, on 19 February 2017 - 02:31 PM, said:

That's absolutely infinitesimal. That small of a difference in a study would be completely negated by a margin of error.

Exactly my point, as stated above.

Point being, if using it or not using it, has no statistical bearing, why should I suffer through it? There's no demonstrable upside imo, so I don't use it. I enjoy myself that much more (which DOES rate as a factor to consider) so it's worth it to me.

If I felt it was costing me games/deaths/c-bills, perhaps I'd feel differently. But since the irritation has no pay-off, I don't feel any need to use it. Playing with "less irritants" is absolutely more enjoyable for me in solo queue .

Conduct your own survey of sorts. Play the next couple hundred matches with/without, and see if it changes the enjoyment factor, WLR or other important stats for you and base the decision of your gameplay experience on that. Don't worry about what I'm doing.

It's different results for different people.

Edited by Lukoi Banacek, 19 February 2017 - 02:36 PM.

[Lukoi Banacek]

DAYLEET, on 19 February 2017 - 02:53 PM, said:

VOIP dramatically increase your chance of winning AND having fun while doing it. I dont talk, ill use chat only when something really stupid is about to happen, but i listen when someone lead. In a week ive had 2 times i was instructed stupid suicidal things in voip, one time a guy venting, the rest was all good clean leadership that made the game fun and interesting.

I understand that voip gets on the nerves of dimwitted, giant ego, i play how i want and it makes no difference, idiots. If you cant even understand why voip helped, and think, it just went well and would have either way... dunno what to say. It's especially true todays where you get all tier mixed in, if you want a great game, it helps to play together and losing together is that much more easy to bear.

The implied insults aren't needed and merely make you look like a jerk.

Did you read what I wrote? Your statement that VOIP "VOIP dramatically increase your chance of winning AND having fun while doing it," while stated as a fact is a matter of your OPINION.

It's ok to have an opinion without insulting others who disagree with you.

Secondly, as noted above....it's not a fact. Statistically, for me (your mileage of course, clearly varies), it in fact does not dramatically increase my chance of winning. After tracking it for hundreds of matches, and then turning it off, my WLR went up (albeit a statistically irrelevant amount) which in my case means it has ZERO real bearing on my chance of winning.

As for my enjoyment of the game, since I've run into too many trolls, trash-talkers, know-it-alls, random spastics and hind-sight-generals in my time using VOIP, turning it off is actually more fun for me as a player.

If you cant even understand why voip helped, basic math and think, it just went well and would have either waydoesn't apparently have the statistical benefit you *think* it does.. dunno what to say.

See how I did that without accusing you or implying you have an ego-centric problem, or are dim-witted? I choose to base my decisions on actual facts. While I too assumed VOIP would lead to increased WLR and better performance for me in the solo queue, it simply didn't bear out that way at all.

Maybe VOIP helps you get better returns in solo queue. In my case, it does not and it's worth not listening to certain folks without having to tab-mute someone in the middle of a big fight. Doesn't make me someone who's "dimwitted, giant ego, i play how i want and it makes no difference, idiots," just because I disagree with you.

Funny how quick folks are to attack arguments with insults when they don't gain traction with actual logic imo.

Edited by Lukoi Banacek, 19 February 2017 - 03:06 PM.

[DAYLEET]

The Unstoppable Puggernaut, on 19 February 2017 - 04:23 AM, said:

The people under water. I have no idea what these people say but it tends to be along the lines of "muafuihwaouh3hjktnf0w0a00... NOW".

Not laughed that hard about something mwo in a long time lol! Theres always one match a night where one guy is always talking and i wonder if im the only one not understanding so i just follow everyone trying to look like im in on the plan. Rarely ends well.

[Levi Porphyrogenitus]

Turning off VOIP is not the right answer. Instead, use the mute function. Silence the trolls and keep the tactical info flowing.

[Nesutizale]

Some fun stuff that happend with VoiP where two:

1) A guy singing what he is doing. Realy singing.
"Here drops my mech, its a heavy one, will go to cap...Oh crap there is an enemy..shot him good pew pew......" and so on.
It was somewhere between hillarious and downright anoying....still laughed so hard I could hardly hit anything

2) A guy that narreted the game, starting with
"Welcome on this flight, I am your Captain. We will touch down on the nice nameless planet. Winds pretty cold today but the sky is clear...."
Then he took ove command and also spoke more like he is some actual commander sitting way, way back in his bases ordring you around with "Lance Alpha, go to E6 then go to E8. Oh miss could you also bring me some coffee? What do you mean the channels still open?"
It was kinda effective as his orders made sense but its was funny at the same time.

[Shadowomega1]

UrbyPilot21, on 19 February 2017 - 12:08 AM, said:

I've one instance of one player saying he hopes out team wasn't Team Idiots (or was it Moron). We won that match, so somebody said "I guess this isn't Team Idiots". !st guy had to concede it wasn't and thanked the rest. Probably just stressed.

Most other games I've had a winning team often had somebody calling the shots, and everybody else doing as told. And most losses I've experienced had no one talking. This game is about coordination and team work. You won't have time to type in what you need to say most of the time.

Got a feeling that was me, after back to back to back to back to back losses as players used the play not to lose instead of play to win, or lets form a push on though xy. Get to XY location with the other three assaults only to have them back off and run the other way once they get glanced by laser fire, and the rest of the team chases a squirrel.

[Lukoi Banacek]

DAYLEET, on 19 February 2017 - 03:41 PM, said:

It's not, i remember the close but lost match that were lead last night, because they isnt that much. Lead match usually end in a win. I do however make a distinction between a guy who lead a match and shots being called randomly.

I can start taking notes, i already screenshot every scoreboard, just need to write the hour with win/lost only when leadership happens. But the fact that i remember the few lost ive had while being led tells me there was a lot more wins.

Im going to reiterate, there is a difference between someone leading a match and someone just calling shots. The former will net you a win almost every time i grantee you that. Ofcourse it helps if you know what you are doing when being lead but the confidence you get with everybody working together is invaluable and the sacrifice are easier and are more valuable for the team in the end.

Your anecdotal experience does not make it a fact, and certainly not one that universally applies to everyone in this game. The fact in my gaming experience, ia that having VOIP on does not statistically increase the likelihood of winning. It is not that its not a useful too, as it can be. Your argument however, fails to consider whether people use the tool properly or not to a degree significant enough to produce wins.

In my experience, in the solo queue, most people do not and in my case, its factually contributed no additional wins, cbills etc. So keep it up with the petty insults and enjoy the VOIP if it suits you. More people aruge, troll or continue to play any sorta way they want in solo queue than its worth to me to put on, so I will leave it off. Why you feel the need to rave against people for playing the game differently is beyond me.