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[Bishop Steiner]

RestosIII, on 13 March 2017 - 07:58 PM, said:

It's mostly a "Don't say their name or they'll appear out of nowhere" thing for me, just been paranoid. But, eh, might as well finally get around to posting this one.

To everyone feeling all doom and gloom about it getting trashed, I have a message for you.



As long as we try and keep pestering PGI to make sure they actually bring up the PTS again, and don't just have it drop off the face of the earth, we can make PGI continue working on the skill tree. If you just say "Nope, it's dead, game is never going to change ever again", then that's what will happen, since PGI will think that no-one was actually interested in work being done in the first place. We can eventually steer PGI in the right direction, ya just gotta have hope.

inb4 I'm called a hypocrite for not being happy about the skill tree being pushed out early.

I'm sure it will eventually get revisited. Just as I'm sure it will get resisted again until it becomes the linear meta boating friendly skill tree that apparently folks want. So, hooray for them. We've set MWO's status back to the only thing to look forward to being: Do you want another Mech Pack?

Funny...I thought that was what people were complaining about. Whatever.

[Scout Derek]

Bishop Steiner, on 13 March 2017 - 08:03 PM, said:

I'm sure it will eventually get revisited. Just as I'm sure it will get resisted again until it becomes the linear meta boating friendly skill tree that apparently folks want. So, hooray for them. We've set MWO's status back to the only thing to look forward to being: Do you want another Mech Pack?

Funny...I thought that was what people were complaining about. Whatever.

/.-./ Bishop da salt man. You hurting me.

[RestosIII]

Bishop Steiner, on 13 March 2017 - 08:03 PM, said:

I'm sure it will eventually get revisited. Just as I'm sure it will get resisted again until it becomes the linear meta boating friendly skill tree that apparently folks want. So, hooray for them. We've set MWO's status back to the only thing to look forward to being: Do you want another Mech Pack?

Funny...I thought that was what people were complaining about. Whatever.

I don't want to be locked into a status of "I can't sell my Adder, otherwise I'll have to completely regrind that XP to be skilled again when I rebuy it". That's my LARGEST complaint about the skill tree, and it has nothing to do with making it a "linear meta boating friendly skill tree".

Do I find it frustrating that I need to get arm skills to get speed tweak, even on a mech without the ability to move its arms? Sure do! Do I dislike getting laser skills on a mech that doesn't have energy hardpoints? Affirmative. But being forced to grind forever, with quirks getting slashed on mechs that are already not that great? That will heavily damage my love for the game.

[Jackie Hawker]

RestosIII, on 13 March 2017 - 07:42 PM, said:

I'm starting to get worried about how much 4chan is leaking onto these forums. Especially since that's the realm of anime gifs, and I don't want any competition.

I'm not sure if I should be flattered or insulted that people think my meme is from 4chan.

[Bishop Steiner]

Scout Derek, on 13 March 2017 - 08:04 PM, said:

/.-./ Bishop da salt man. You hurting me.

The hilarity of that comment. I make 1 comment, and it's "oh my god the salt"... after these ******* laid out a salt mine for the last two weeks? Lol. The irony.

It's all good. Community has spoken. Enjoy.

[Kasumi Sumika]

N0ni, on 13 March 2017 - 07:44 PM, said:

id/Kaetetoa


I can't wait for the PC release, avoided spoilers

Unfortunately my FB timelines full of 2B's Butt Nier spoiler alert because my friends have played it and I got spoiled

Also I added your steam if you not mind

[FupDup]

Bishop Steiner, on 13 March 2017 - 08:03 PM, said:

I'm sure it will eventually get revisited. Just as I'm sure it will get resisted again until it becomes the linear meta boating friendly skill tree that apparently folks want. So, hooray for them. We've set MWO's status back to the only thing to look forward to being: Do you want another Mech Pack?

Funny...I thought that was what people were complaining about. Whatever.

You're making several assumptions here.

1. Linear pattern doesn't mean boating. PGI already made the majority of weapon skills apply universally such that bracket build mechs don't get penalized relative to boats. All they'd have to do is go a bit further and clump together velocity/spread/duration into a single category ("Weapon Precision") and that takes care of most of the issues on that front.


2. The current setup of needing to take weak placeholder skills doesn't do anything against boating.

Does having to take AMS Overload on a mech without AMS curtail boating?

Does having to take arm pitch on a Cicada curtail boating?

Does having to take Hill Climb curtail boating?


3. Let's just get straight to the point here: The skill tree in general is never going to either counteract or encourage boating. After all, boating certainly was popular in the older MW titles that didn't have any skill tree or anything similar to it.

Edited by FupDup, 13 March 2017 - 08:12 PM.

[Khosumi]

Bishop Steiner, on 13 March 2017 - 08:11 PM, said:

The hilarity of that comment. I make 1 comment, and it's "oh my god the salt"... after these ******* laid out a salt mine for the last two weeks? Lol. The irony.

It's all good. Community has spoken. Enjoy.

But. That IS salt. You were too busy refusing to understand how flawed the system was and now you're complaining it's not going through.

[N0ni]

Kasumi Sumika, on 13 March 2017 - 08:11 PM, said:

Also I added your steam if you not mind

The more the merrier!

[Coolant]

Lemming of the BDA, on 13 March 2017 - 07:39 PM, said:

Is Energy Draw delayed or dead?

No timeline was given, nor was it announced that PTS will be going back up. They stated they recognized the problems with skill tree, but had NO CLUE how to fix them.

Name calling wont change the fact, that the annoucement means its on the shelf, sidelined, delayed, whatever you wanna call it.

DEAD.

Yeah, I think it's dead.

Edited by Coolant, 13 March 2017 - 08:51 PM.

[Y E O N N E]

Coolant, on 13 March 2017 - 08:50 PM, said:

Yeah, I think it's dead. So what's the next thing we have to look forward to? Is it the new tech...isn't that summer? So....

Nope, delayed indefinitely...

[Bishop Steiner]

Yeonne Greene, on 13 March 2017 - 08:51 PM, said:

Nope, delayed indefinitely...

so,yeah, realistically? same thing.

[Dr Mlem]

Yeonne Greene, on 13 March 2017 - 08:51 PM, said:

Nope, delayed indefinitely...

Yeah new weapons will be tested. People will dislike them. And they'll be delayed. Betting money on it.

Its been years with PGIs currently implemented weapons, and they are still unbalanced.

[Mystere]

RestosIII, on 13 March 2017 - 06:21 PM, said:

https://mwomercs.com...e-status-update

Well, we get some more time to try and help PGI fix this up. Little worried this will go the road of ED, but, at least we're not just barreling into having it on the live server like we were going to. Here's hoping this will work out!

Well, in the mean time, can we get InfoWar back, but this time with "convergence on lock" instead of that lost-in-translation abomination "Ghost Range"?

[Bishop Steiner]

Mystere, on 13 March 2017 - 09:06 PM, said:

Well, in the mean time, can we get InfoWar back, but this time with "convergence on lock" instead of that lost-in-translation abomination "Ghost Range"?

Nope. That will diminish the all important skill of button mashing and clicking on a pixel. And thus is bad.

[Y E O N N E]

Bishop Steiner, on 13 March 2017 - 09:02 PM, said:

so,yeah, realistically? same thing.

Was referring to the new tech.

[Bishop Steiner]

Yeonne Greene, on 13 March 2017 - 09:08 PM, said:

Was referring to the new tech.

I'm sure ti will get shitcanned, too.

[Mystere]

TLBFestus, on 13 March 2017 - 07:09 PM, said:

Fire extinguished, ......for now.

Which makes me really really sad.

[Y E O N N E]

Bishop Steiner, on 13 March 2017 - 09:10 PM, said:

I'm sure ti will get shitcanned, too.

I'm expecting to see a lot of QQ over Heavy Lasers, Heavy PPCs, MRMs, and Light ACs. I expect about 50% of that QQ to be complaints about the IS getting way more toys than the Clans or, if PGI gimps the number of toys the IS get, that the IS didn't get enough toys.

[Dr Mlem]

Yeonne Greene, on 13 March 2017 - 09:12 PM, said:

I'm expecting to see a lot of QQ over Heavy Lasers, Heavy PPCs, MRMs, and Light ACs. I expect about 50% of that QQ to be complaints about the IS getting way more toys than the Clans or, if PGI gimps the number of toys the IS get, that the IS didn't get enough toys.

"THIS NEEDS MORE TESTING!!!" "NOT FAIR!" "Faction ________ has all the advantages! THIS IS THE DEATH OF ____________ (insert favorite faction)"

or whatever have you arises. 1 week later, shitcanned

Edited by Lazy Badger, 13 March 2017 - 09:21 PM.