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[Clanner Scum]

It's the only variant with ECM and Jump Jets.

Are those fixed? As in are they only specific to the H variant or can I put those jump jets and ECM on other variants by omni pod switching?

[Pariah Devalis]

Clanner Scum, on 14 March 2017 - 09:06 PM, said:

It's the only variant with ECM and Jump Jets.

Are those fixed? As in are they only specific to the H variant or can I put those jump jets and ECM on other variants by omni pod switching?

It is an omnimech. When the mech comes out for C-Bills, you can buy those pods and slap em on any other Cougar. For now, you'd need to uninstall the pod from the H and move it to the one other variant you want it on.

Those JJ side torsos, though. Not sure it is worth it. Putting the JJ side torso on means giving up side torso weapons, and the mech isn't exactly bristling with weapons to begin with.

[Bishop Steiner]

Pariah Devalis, on 14 March 2017 - 09:08 PM, said:

It is an omnimech. When the mech comes out for C-Bills, you can buy those pods and slap em on any other Cougar. For now, you'd need to uninstall the pod from the H and move it to the one other variant you want it on.

Those JJ side torsos, though. Not sure it is worth it. Putting the JJ side torso on means giving up side torso weapons, and the mech isn't exactly bristling with weapons to begin with.

True, but you can pack 3-4 energy on one arm, and a decent ballistic ( or heavy energy) in the other. 13 tons? Say hello to Heavy lasers! 1 H-LL and 3 H-ML, plus 5-6 more dhs mebbe?

Edited by Bishop Steiner, 14 March 2017 - 09:16 PM.

[Clanner Scum]

Pariah Devalis, on 14 March 2017 - 09:08 PM, said:

It is an omnimech. When the mech comes out for C-Bills, you can buy those pods and slap em on any other Cougar. For now, you'd need to uninstall the pod from the H and move it to the one other variant you want it on.

Those JJ side torsos, though. Not sure it is worth it. Putting the JJ side torso on means giving up side torso weapons, and the mech isn't exactly bristling with weapons to begin with.

I've already got the build I want in my head. H variant head omni pod for ECM, H variant side torsos for jump jets and energy omnipods for each arm so I can put heavy large lasers in them.

If heavy larges are 5 tons each you can put one in each arm for 10 tons. 1 ECM for 11 tons. And two double heatsinks for 2 tons. 13 tons. It'll run a bit hot, but it's managable. If not then you can opt for heavy mediums. Or just go standard ERMLs.

Also would like to run an ATM variant with ATMs in each arm.

Really all depends on the tonnage of heavy lasers and ATMs. If a heavy large laser is only 4 tons this a dual heavy large cougar will be a very good medium range poptarter.

Edited by Clanner Scum, 14 March 2017 - 09:30 PM.

[Pariah Devalis]

Clanner Scum, on 14 March 2017 - 09:19 PM, said:

I've already got the build I want in my head. H variant head omni pod for ECM, H variant side torsos for jump jets and energy omnipods for each arm so I can put heavy large lasers in them.

Just imagine for a second...

Given how blisteringly fast this light mech is, I am sure I have more than just one second to think about it.

[Bishop Steiner]

Pariah Devalis, on 14 March 2017 - 09:20 PM, said:

Given how blisteringly fast this light mech is, I am sure I have more than just one second to think about it.

It will survive, IMO in one of two niches... ambusher, and Assault Escort. Neither are glamour roles, and there are still mechs that can do both better... but it should be viable in both those roles.

Outside that? I don't see it shine in anything, because heavy mech speed meets light mech armor and terribad hitboxes.

[Clanner Scum]

Bishop Steiner, on 14 March 2017 - 09:22 PM, said:

It will survive, IMO in one of two niches... ambusher, and Assault Escort. Neither are glamour roles, and there are still mechs that can do both better... but it should be viable in both those roles.

Outside that? I don't see it shine in anything, because heavy mech speed meets light mech armor and terribad hitboxes.

I can see dual ATMs, jump jets and ECM making it a good medium range missile mech.

[Bishop Steiner]

Clanner Scum, on 14 March 2017 - 09:24 PM, said:

I can see dual ATMs, jump jets and ECM making it a good medium range missile mech.

really will depend on the actual stats of ATMs. Also, you'd be limited to 2 ATM 9s, and even then, limited ammo, so might be 2 sixes, more realisitcally. I jsut dunno if that' sgonna be enough to wow.

[Clanner Scum]

Bishop Steiner, on 14 March 2017 - 09:36 PM, said:

really will depend on the actual stats of ATMs. Also, you'd be limited to 2 ATM 9s, and even then, limited ammo, so might be 2 sixes, more realisitcally. I jsut dunno if that' sgonna be enough to wow.

Yeah the issue right now is we don't know the specific stats on the weapons. Heavy larges will need to be 4 tons. If that's the case then that'll be the go to build for it. Consider this: It's a light mech and it's slow, so at best it'll be able to keep up with the pack. It's not going to be running wild like cheetahs or locusts scouting n such. It's going to be a "stick with the group" mech. So you'll have to build around that. It makes sense to build for medium range which heavy larges and ATMs will fit the bill. Without jump jets it's just a sitting duck waiting to get picked off. Atleast with jump jets and heavy larges in the arm you can poptart around your team on the flank of the line and do some side poke.

ATMs on the other hand, like you said, really depends on the stats of them. If they're light weight and not ammo starved then two atm 9's could do well, because remember they do higher damage and closer ranges so even with two ATM9's you'll still be able to pack a punch.

Important to note though that the C variant has 4 energy in it, so you could run 5CERML or 5HML's (heavy mediums). My only issue with the heavy mediums is they will have range somewhere between CERSML and CERML and that's too close for an energy based light, especially one that's got less than impressive profile.

Edited by Clanner Scum, 14 March 2017 - 09:56 PM.

[Clanner Scum]

All in all though, I know for sure one build that will work well with the cougar that being 1CERPPC, 3CERML, 1ECM and jump jet side torsos with 2 or 3 double heat sinks. That'll work really well and packs a decent punch. But I'm really hoping for a dual heavy large laser setup being doable.

[RestosIII]

Bishop Steiner, on 14 March 2017 - 09:22 PM, said:

It will survive, IMO in one of two niches... ambusher, and Assault Escort. Neither are glamour roles, and there are still mechs that can do both better... but it should be viable in both those roles.

Outside that? I don't see it shine in anything, because heavy mech speed meets light mech armor and terribad hitboxes.

Considering the Adder is the mech I pilot the most any more, I'm looking forward to the Cougar with glee. With it was a Pouncer instead, but I can make this work.

[A Man In A Can]

Heavy Large Lasers are 4 tons 3 crits so worry not. The jumping ECM HLL poke style will definitely be in.

For those wanting the mediums, they are 1 ton 2 crits each.

ATM 9s are 5 tons 4 crits with anywhere between 90-120 missiles/ton in mwo (60/ton in TT).

[Clanner Scum]

RestosIII, on 14 March 2017 - 10:11 PM, said:

Considering the Adder is the mech I pilot the most any more, I'm looking forward to the Cougar with glee. With it was a Pouncer instead, but I can make this work.

I think you'll be pleased with it. It's definetly an upgrade from the puma, especially since it can run jump jets and ECM. Those two qualities redeem it's low top speed.

Builds off the top of my head:
ECM,Jump Jets, 5CERML
ECM,Jump Jets, 5HML
ECM,Jump Jets, 2HLL
ECM,Jump Jets, 2 ATM6
ECM,Jump Jets, 1CERPPC, 3ERML

Or you could forgo the jump jet side torsos and go for 4 atm3's with ECM.

ThatNumbGuy, on 14 March 2017 - 10:13 PM, said:

Heavy Large Lasers are 4 tons 3 crits so worry not. The jumping ECM HLL poke style will definitely be in.

For those wanting the mediums, they are 1 ton 2 crits each.

ATM 9s are 5 tons 4 crits with anywhere between 90-120 missiles/ton in mwo (60/ton in TT).

I'm assuming the range on the Heavy medium laser will be equal to the IS standard medium laser? If so then that'll be a very good setup as well.

And 5 ton ATM9's..hmmm..what's the cougar have. 13 tons to work with? 10 tons for both ATM atleast 4 tons ammo...yeah not doable...would have to go with ATM6's then.

Edited by Clanner Scum, 14 March 2017 - 10:21 PM.

[Clanner Scum]

Given the current clan light line up, it'll be the second best clan light. The Cheeto will still reign king in that slot. But the cougar will the be first clan light since the cheeto to be a competitive mech(although the purifier is pretty damn good.) Excited for that.

Edited by Clanner Scum, 14 March 2017 - 11:02 PM.