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[Erronius]

Did someone say LAMS?!?

[BigBenn]

Jables McBarty, on 17 March 2017 - 05:45 AM, said:

Lol.

Nice work, now give yourself a participation trophy.

[Weeny Machine]

Vellron2005, on 17 March 2017 - 04:55 AM, said:

So, I can't believe nobody is thinking about this..

Come the new equipment, both sides are getting laser AMS... which means that just about any mech with an AMS slot, or even an energy slot (to be seen) will mount a LAMS.

This makes anything below LRM15 or even LRM20 non-viable..

RIP 6 x LRM5 Mad Dog / Archer :-(

You should mention the positive side aspect:

We will see Polar less

[Jables McBarty]

BigBenn, on 17 March 2017 - 06:50 AM, said:

Nice work, now give yourself a participation trophy.

rofl.

But in all candor, I doubt PGI has even designed these weapons in-game yet.

I expect they are just beginning that process right now.

This is in line with their standard release program for 'mechs. Announce the design along with concept art. Schedule release 3-5 months in advance. Begin in-game implementation a month or two before release date.

Quite a reasonable assumption if you ask me.

Erronius, on 17 March 2017 - 06:33 AM, said:

Did someone say LAMS?!?

That's what I thought when I saw the thread title!!

And is that a second LAM, or its shadow?

[R Valentine]

It's really just going to be an illusion of "I have LRM protection" right up until everyone overheats. The heat from LAMS is not insignificant, especially if they're coming in a steady stream.

[Champion of Khorne Lord of Blood]

LAMS will likely be even less used than AMS, and AMS is already only used rarely, usually either by full groups using it just to be immune, or that one guy in a Kit Fox or Nova who bought AMS overload.

LAMS generates heat ontop of already taking up that half ton of space. With all the laser users out there and heavy lasers and new PPCs coming out, everyone will have high heat weapons and they'll not want LAMS firing into a wall because some LRMs are hitting the cover they have.

[Wiley Coyote]

Jables McBarty, on 17 March 2017 - 07:03 AM, said:

And is that a second LAM, or its shadow?

Shadow.



Phoenix Hawk LAM would be awesome.

Edited by Wiley Coyote, 17 March 2017 - 07:21 AM.

[Ghostrider0067]

Despite not being much of an LRM (or missiles in general) user, that missile type will always be useful and viable. At this point, there is no indication as to the effectiveness of LAMS, the heat it produces, or the fire rate at which it performs. Time will tell how effective it is over the standard AMS.

You seem to have also forgotten that MRMs and rockets are coming into play. Will the LAMS or the standards AMS pick them up seeing that they're unguided? That also remains to be seen.

[Jingseng]

OH GOD THE PANIC PLANE AND HYPE TRAIN AND FAIL BOAT ARE ALL ABOUT TO COLLIDE WHAT DO WHAT DO

Or I guess we could just make LAMS take a LAMS hardpoint (like ams takes an ams hardpoint), tweak that availability, and call it a day.

[Tordin]

One thing for sure. LAMS should propably NOT be used with an all-out or mostly energy loadout. The LAMS heat generation will surely hamper your heat management somewhat.

[Metus regem]

Erronius, on 17 March 2017 - 06:33 AM, said:

Did someone say LAMS?!?

-sigh-

LAMS

not

LAMs

There is a difference you know....


That being said, in TT LAMS was hot.... 7 heat per use for IS, 5 heat per use for Clans... so expect 1 - 2 medium lasers worth of heat per burst from it...

[Skanderborg]

add inferno rounds so you can bake the meta mechs in fire.

[Siegegun]

LOL no, they will not become useless. Your making a claim without ANY actual knowledge of what the LAMS stats will be or how effective they will be. A lot of assumptions.

[MechaBattler]

I at least feel like I could make use of cover over spending tonnage on AMS. Granted it won't have ammo. But if I'm running laser boat, I don't need anything else adding heat. I suppose if it's a cool build with spare tonnage. But most builds don't have spare tonnage. Not for me at least.

Edited by MechaBattler, 17 March 2017 - 08:14 AM.

[Tordin]

Metus regem, on 17 March 2017 - 08:12 AM, said:

That being said, in TT LAMS was hot.... 7 heat per use for IS, 5 heat per use for Clans... so expect 1 - 2 medium lasers worth of heat per burst from it...

Yeah, exactly. I imagine the lams will make everyones mech go bonkers on LRM friendly maps (cold or hot) if its auto only, which I doubt. You can turn on/off ordinary ams so I guess it will count for lams too.

I will for sure swith to LAMS, on mostly ballistic builds.

Edited by Tordin, 17 March 2017 - 08:16 AM.

[Skanderborg]

Most clans mechs have to sacrifice a lot of weapon hard points just to get ams anyways. At least with the dire wolf and timberwolf.

[Bud Crue]

Unless MRMs are a big deal and L-AMS present a strong counter to them, I just don't see L-AMS being any more significant than current AMS. Probably less significant, given the premium many mechs place on cooling attributes. Not worrying about it until we get some numbers, but looking at it from the OP's perspective I don't see L-AMS changing the LRM effectiveness, or lack thereof, in any appreciable way based on what we know thus far.

[C E Dwyer]

Just because it's better in the canon doesn't mean it will be better here.

P.G.I claim the new tech will not make current weapons redundant.

So slower rate of fire, heat or less range would be the way to go with this weapon, if they intend to keep to that

[Bishop Steiner]

Vellron2005, on 17 March 2017 - 04:55 AM, said:

So, I can't believe nobody is thinking about this..

Come the new equipment, both sides are getting laser AMS... which means that just about any mech with an AMS slot, or even an energy slot (to be seen) will mount a LAMS.

This makes anything below LRM15 or even LRM20 non-viable..

RIP 6 x LRM5 Mad Dog / Archer :-(

enjoy your heat overload when I spam you with my LRM5dog, and wait for you to overheat, to kill you with my lasers.

Or one of my companions to kill you.

Either way, that will be check and mate.

[LordNothing]

you also have to consider all the new missile systems that are going to be in use, i figure the lams will get used exstensively. im probibly going to go as far as put it on all my cold mechs, even though im not a fan of the current ams.

Edited by LordNothing, 17 March 2017 - 08:47 AM.